BMW F30 320D as first car

wallpapers123

Does a used 150K-ish Miles used 2012 BMW F30 320D as a first car make sense (Budget 8-9K)?
I just got my full license and looking to get my first car.. My daily commute would be from city centre to citywest Business Park.
I've read many horror stories about the DPF issues, if not enough highway usage done with a diesel car, and many articles suggest a highway run of 30-40 minutes once in a fortnight to avoid any potential DPF issues.
Would I get any DPF issues with the above commute ?

And any other potential issues to look out for specific to 320D or F30 in general?

Idbatterim

think there was a link to a 330e for not much more, would have one of them over a diesel every day of the week. Will try find link for you...

colm_mcm

Have you priced insurance?

Idbatterim

Idbatterim wrote: »

think there was a link to a 330e for not much more, would have one of them over a diesel every day of the week. Will try find link for you...

Not much more then 9k? A 330e :eek:

Taylor365

colm_mcm wrote: »

Have you priced insurance?

Why bother. Just chalk it up as 3k!

sdanseo

Unless you're doing 20-25k km per year get a petrol. Hen's teeth but I wouldn't settle if I could make the choice again. Import if needed.

I've had an E90 320i and now an F30 320d.
I just barely get better mileage (mid 30s) in the diesel, because my commute is only 10k each way. Also 38 more horses.
And that's using miles plus and driving with what I would consider "medium" BMW aggressiveness.

By contrast 116d ED averaged 55mpg.

Issues to look out for with F30
Door seals will make annoying sounds. Easily fixed with a tube of lubricant from bimmer "gummi pfledge"
On my driver door the little locking knob is loose in its housing and rattles like hell. Probably also easily fixed.
Mine only 2017 and 42k km but had steering angle sensor fail. Covered under warranty.

It's a BMW. Set aside some cash for these sort of things that WILL, not may, break.

Idbatterim

here is the thread, sorry from around 16k ...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=111943044

wallpapers123

colm_mcm wrote: »

Have you priced insurance?

Getting quotes around 2200-2400

wallpapers123

sdanseo wrote: »

Unless you're doing 20-25k km per year get a petrol. Hen's teeth but I wouldn't settle if I could make the choice again. Import if needed.

I've had an E90 320i and now an F30 320d.
I just barely get better mileage (mid 30s) in the diesel, because my commute is only 10k each way. Also 38 more horses.
And that's using miles plus and driving with what I would consider "medium" BMW aggressiveness.

By contrast 116d ED averaged 55mpg.

Issues to look out for with F30
Door seals will make annoying sounds. Easily fixed with a tube of lubricant from bimmer "gummi pfledge"
On my driver door the little locking knob is loose in its housing and rattles like hell. Probably also easily fixed.
Mine only 2017 and 42k km but had steering angle sensor fail. Covered under warranty.

It's a BMW. Set aside some cash for these sort of things that WILL, not may, break.

E90 is too old now and way too many issues with that engine. I was actually hoping to get a golf 1.4TSI around that price, but none available right now. So the F30 320d seemed like a good option, is modern enough and Also within budget with a bulletproof engine.

wallpapers123

Idbatterim wrote: »

here is the thread, sorry from around 16k ...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=111943044

That’s wayyyy over my budget at this point.

Bigus

wallpapers123 wrote: »

Getting quotes around 2200-2400

Get a qoute on an Audi A4 , a lot more insurance friendly and a better car too, especially for reliability.

wallpapers123

Bigus wrote: »

Get a qoute on an Audi A4 , a lot more insurance friendly and a better car too, especially for reliability.

Similar quotes but my main concern is, would my type of usage damage a diesel car and will I be getting okish Fuel economy

Idbatterim

id be wary of a car with 150k miles on it, not because its over a hundred thousand miles and Irish people think they self destruct at 100k! But the sheer amount of stuff that may need attention with that kind of mileage, suspension related, gaskets etc. I personally think you would be mad to touch diesel and i wouldnt go for a manual either!

if insurance is very pricey, Id be shopping around and see if some cars offer far better value than others from insurance point of view. Would you consider a merc? my insurance went down when I went from bmw to merc.

wallpapers123

Idbatterim wrote: »

id be wary of a car with 150k miles on it, not because its over a hundred thousand miles and Irish people think they self destruct at 100k! But the sheer amount of stuff that may need attention with that kind of mileage, suspension related, gaskets etc. I personally think you would be mad to touch diesel and i wouldnt go for a manual either!

if insurance is very pricey, Id be shopping around and see if some cars offer far better value than others from insurance point of view. Would you consider a merc? my insurance went down when I went from bmw to merc.

I’m getting similar insurance quotes for any make/ model within 120-140hp.
Let me check for any mercs within that price range.

wallpapers123

Why should I stay away from the manuals?
I thought the automatic gearboxes might be less reliable over the long term.

Bottle

I have driven BMWs for the last 12 years, bought as 1 year olds and then driven for 3 - 4 years, full BMW service history and 15k km / year. I have been fairly lucky that I never had any problems. However, one lad who bought my E92 had a lot of issues with it, timing chain and air con being the 2 big ones. Even though he got the car for really good price he ended up shelling out approx €4k over 2 years.

Just be wary, BMWs may be expensive, but that extra cost doesn't translate into better reliability. Same goes for cars with high mileage, parts will eventually wear out.

punisher5112

Dacia duster?

wallpapers123

punisher5112 wrote: »

Dacia duster?

Looking for a sedan or a hatchback. I don’t think I would be too comfortable with such a big car since I just got my license.

wallpapers123

Bottle wrote: »

I have driven BMWs for the last 12 years, bought as 1 year olds and then driven for 3 - 4 years, full BMW service history and 15k km / year. I have been fairly lucky that I never had any problems. However, one lad who bought my E92 had a lot of issues with it, timing chain and air con being the 2 big ones. Even though he got the car for really good price he ended up shelling out approx €4k over 2 years.

Just be wary, BMWs may be expensive, but that extra cost doesn't translate into better reliability. Same goes for cars with high mileage, parts will eventually wear out.

Yea all I can see in my budget are all high mileage. 100k miles +

punisher5112

wallpapers123 wrote: »

Looking for a sedan or a hatchback. I don’t think I would be too comfortable with such a big car since I just got my license.

Renault Megane get you going look at gt line, nice yokes...

wallpapers123

How are Audi A5 1.8 TFSI?
Car price around 5000
Insurance around 2200.

Idbatterim

wallpapers123 wrote: »

How are Audi A5 1.8 TFSI?
Car price around 5000
Insurance around 2200.

The insurance is insane. I’d look to compensate by buying something that will have very little depreciation left

MetzgerMeister

Idbatterim wrote: »

The insurance is insane. I’d look to compensate by buying something that will have very little depreciation left

Insurance on my first car (a 1998 Rover 400) after I got my full licence was €2,000 back in 2004. The car only cost €2,500!

OP, I would advise against buying a diesel given your commute. You'll spend a lot of time in traffic which does not suit a diesel. DPF issues will be on the cards.

colm_mcm

Idbatterim wrote: »

The insurance is insane. I’d look to compensate by buying something that will have very little depreciation left

To put it into context, I’m paying €700 but got quotes of twice that, and I have 20 years no claims. €2200 isn’t insane for a first car which isn’t a 1.0 Yaris.

wallpapers123

colm_mcm wrote: »

To put it into context, I’m paying €700 but got quotes of twice that, and I have 20 years no claims. €2200 isn’t insane for a first car which isn’t a 1.0 Yaris.

Stop Showing off your NCB man!!

There seems to be some issue with chill.ie. Last night I was getting a quote for the A5 for EUR2200, but now it says, they won't be able to give a quote now.

Fishy..

wallpapers123

Idbatterim wrote: »

The insurance is insane. I’d look to compensate by buying something that will have very little depreciation left

That will result me in buying a ****box with 100-150k miles, which would require to visit the garage, every other day..
I'd rather pay a few thousand extra for a good car rather than a cheapo car and drive with a scare that something would fall off every time I drive it..

Idbatterim

wallpapers123 wrote: »

That will result me in buying a ****box with 100-150k miles, which would require to visit the garage, every other day..
I'd rather pay a few thousand extra for a good car rather than a cheapo car and drive with a scare that something would fall off every time I drive it..

But in your op you ask about a 150k mile car ..

wallpapers123

Idbatterim wrote: »

But in your op you ask about a 150k mile car ..

Yes, I was asking if buying a high mileage 320d makes sense for my usage, but it apparently doesn't now.

quokula

wallpapers123 wrote: »

Looking for a sedan or a hatchback. I don’t think I would be too comfortable with such a big car since I just got my license.

A 320D is longer than a duster and the same width.

If it's a first car, and you're predominantly driving in the city, you're probably better off with a hatchback - you could get something much newer and lower mileage for the same price.

duffman3833

i think save your money, buy a bangernomic car and run it for the year. Once your insurance goes down next year, hopefully, then splash out on a nice car
I also think avoid diesel no matter the car you buy
I drive an 08 e90 320i
its a sub 5k car, 390 to tax for the year, i renewed insurance recently foor under 500 and i get 35mpg
been a reliable car so far

wallpapers123

Exactly my current thinking right now..

at9qu5vp0wcix7

As an F30 owner (8 Speed Auto), I can tell you they are a wonderful car. I wish I had a few of its features in my first car as it would have saved a few scrapes - reverse sensors and hill start assist for example.

Given your budget and requirements, you're probably better with a hatch. Nobody on here has mentioned that the 320D is a rear wheel drive car with a good amount of power and torque (relative to cars on Irish roads). This would be be a bit of a handful for your first car, particularly in winter.

MetzgerMeister

Talking about NCB - I have 15 years NCB (obviously only 6 apply) since I started building it it up in 2004.

My renewal (today) is €738 on a 2013 F30 330d

Heres Johnny

Kehlani Dead Room wrote: »

As an F30 owner (8 Speed Auto), I can tell you they are a wonderful car. I wish I had a few of its features in my first car as it would have saved a few scrapes - reverse sensors and hill start assist for example.

Given your budget and requirements, you're probably better with a hatch. Nobody on here has mentioned that the 320D is a rear wheel drive car with a good amount of power and torque (relative to cars on Irish roads). This would be be a bit of a handful for your first car, particularly in winter.

I wouldnt recommend the 320d for the OP myself but I taught my girlfriend to drive last year in a 530d and she was fine, except for parking it due to the size but hes not a great parker now either in her golf.

MetzgerMeister

Heres Johnny wrote: »

I wouldnt recommend the 320d for the OP myself but I taught my girlfriend to drive last year in a 530d and she was fine, except for parking it due to the size but hes not a great parker now either in her golf.

:pac:

Heres Johnny

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

:pac:

Oops......this is awkward. But I suppose its unfair to assume gender these days!

DaveyDave

Lexus IS200h? Auto, hybrid reliability, should be nice enough interior etc. Handy for getting through the city center.

I wouldn't be buying a big diesel for your first car especially as you're not doing the mileage.

dar83

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

OP, I would advise against buying a diesel given your commute. You'll spend a lot of time in traffic which does not suit a diesel. DPF issues will be on the cards.

wallpapers123

How are the Golf 2010-2011 1.4 TSI?
Cheaper to insure than the A5/A4.

bazz26

What about a Honda Civic:
https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2408012&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D32%26o%5B%5D%3D282%26f%3D1%26yn%3D2012%26yx%3D2013%26g%3D0

Or a Renault Megane if you don't need rear doors:
https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2387326&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D72%26o%5B%5D%3D619%26f%3D1%26yn%3D2012%26yx%3D2014%26g%3D0

CharlieCroker

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

Talking about NCB - I have 15 years NCB (obviously only 6 apply) since I started building it it up in 2004.

My renewal (today) is €738 on a 2013 F30 330d

You must do decent miles to have a diesel???

millington

wallpapers123 wrote: »

Does a used 150K-ish Miles used 2012 BMW F30 320D as a first car make sense (Budget 8-9K)?

Regardless of it being a first car, there is already a lack of sense in buying a 2012 F30 with 150k on it. It will be absolutely worthless in a year.

colm_mcm

millington wrote: »

Regardless of it being a first car, there is already a lack of sense in buying a 2012 F30 with 150k on it. It will be absolutely worthless in a year.

Explain that? How does it suddenly become worthless? Maybe the OP should just buy a 2011 for tiny money if that’s how it works

Mooooo

Allowing for 2k insurance stick your budget + 500 to 1k euros into done deal and tick petrol and see what's out there that takes your fancy. Diesel in the city doesn't make sense.

wallpapers123

Looking for a Mk6 Golf 1.4 TSI (122 bhp) for now. Hoping to find a good deal around 6-7K with insurance under 2k.

wallpapers123

DaveyDave wrote: »

Lexus IS200h? Auto, hybrid reliability, should be nice enough interior etc. Handy for getting through the city center.

I wouldn't be buying a big diesel for your first car especially as you're not doing the mileage.

Couldn’t find any.

colm_mcm

He means the CT200h

wallpapers123

colm_mcm wrote: »

He means the CT200h

Yes got it. Way out of my budget.. cheapest available for 10K

colm_mcm

This do anything for you?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2014-ds3-1-6-turbo-low-mileage-one-owner/23115067

wallpapers123

colm_mcm wrote: »

This do anything for you?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2014-ds3-1-6-turbo-low-mileage-one-owner/23115067

Interesting. Let me check up for some ownership threads.

wallpapers123

What do you guys think about this one:

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2014-kia-ceed-gt-limited-edition/22567858

Insurance quotes:2200-2400