What kind of an idiot takes heroin?

CaptainToenail

I mean in this day and age, if you take heroin, you deserve what's coming to you.

Wanderer78

Yea, anyhow!

Montage of Feck

All the cool kids are mixing it with coke.:cool:

dhaughton99

Crack cocaine is what the fun kids are doing.

zerosugarbuzz

Desperately unhappy people I'd imagine. Your name suits you!

scamalert

same people that make such threads :cool:

Guy:Incognito

You could say the same about cigarettes , yet I see loads of young idiots people smoking as I drive around.

riffmongous

Just be grateful your life has been sheltered enough that you can't imagine why anyone would take it

Guy:Incognito

riffmongous wrote: »

Just be grateful your life has been sheltered enough that you can't imagine why anyone would take it

Yeah, all those sheltered rich people and musicians are driven to it cos their lives are so much ****ter than the rest of ours.

Beechwoodspark

I’m told in a midlands IT I deal with tangentially the big new thing is smoking crack

the beer revolu

Curious people.

eviltwin

Anyone I've ever met who took heroin was usually dealing with some traumatic stuff in their past.

CaptainToenail

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I’m told in a midlands IT I deal with tangentially the big new thing is smoking crack

Equally as degenerate.

jimwallace197

There are a lot of morons around here these days asking questions like this.

Fr_Dougal

Heroin tickles.

CaptainToenail

jimwallace197 wrote: »

There are a lot of morons around here these days asking questions like this.

Well done

pgj2015

I dont think everyone who takes it gets hooked on it. its supposed to feel great ..............the first time.

dhaughton99

Anyone I ever knew who took heroin either started by dealing other drugs as part of a gang or followed their parents life choices.

Widdershins

Why do people do anything self destructive.

Drumpot

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Yeah, all those sheltered rich people and musicians are driven to it cos their lives are so much ****ter than the rest of ours.

How sh*t is your life in comparison to a person in a war torn country or one suffering famine? They think you are rich, so no matter what’s happened , you shouldn’t ever think you are suffering anything too bad.

There is always somebody worse off , particularly when benchmarked against most people living in a western democracy. Rich people are human and suffer the same things we do, but like us in comparison to people in poor counties, they just have more luxuries and different problems.

BDI

I only smoke it on my lunch break. When I’m off the clock the boss can’t tell me what to do.

Arghus

People who want that high,which is meant to be the best ever.

People who want to escape from a ****ty life situation or stress or trauma into that high, even if it costs them.

People who feel they know the risks but the bad **** won't happen to them.

People who have already taken risks before taking Heroin and can more easily rationalise the dangers.

You ask a naive question.

pablo128

Some buzz off it in fairness.

tdf7187

I was reading an interview with the guy who set up The Quietus (an online music mag) recently and he said that while he had taken almost everything else during his drinking and drugging days he knew if he took heroin it would be game over.

Grab All Association

Star Trek TNG episode Symbiosis sums it up perfectly

Wesley Data, I can understand how this could happen to the Ornarans.
What I can't understand is why anyone would voluntarily become dependent on a chemical.
Data Voluntary addiction to drugs is a recurrent theme in many cultures.
Tasha Wesley, no one wants to become dependent.
That happens later.
Wesley But it does happen, so why do people start?
Tasha On my home planet, there was so much poverty and violence that, for some, the only escape was through drugs.
Wesley How can a chemical substance provide an escape?
Tasha It doesn't. But it makes you think it does.You have to understand, drugs can make you feel good. They make you feel on top of the world.
You're happy, sure of yourself, in control.
Wesley But it's artificial.
Tasha It doesn't feel artificial until the drug wears off. Then you pay the price. Before you know it, you're taking the drug not to feel good, but to keep from feeling bad. And that's the trap.
All you care about is getting your next dosage. Nothing else matters.
Wesley I guess I just don't understand.
Tasha Wesley, I hope you never do.

Sheridan81

Heroin is so passé.

Widdershins

I think Arghus has it covered but I've noticed something about a certain personality type, the ones with deep seated insecurity. Seems to drive them to do really stupid things and I believe they like the feeling of being transgressive. I suppose if you've got nothing going for you at least you can tell yourself you're a taboo breaker so you've done something the next person wouldn't because they're not as daring as you (or they've more cop on, but different perspectives). They're deluded about their ability to function under the influence or they want to drop out as they feel they can't measure up in ordinary life.

Doctors room ghost

it’s a basic coping mechanism for many’s the tortured soul op,to get through another tough day in a life of hell, and inch one step closer to death where they will be finally free from whatever it is that is causing their torture and suffering.

God be with them and be grateful yourself for all that is well in your own life.

If you walked a mile in their shoes I’m sure you would understand them better.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

It's very complicated and I'd imagine it's a very gradual process to the day a person finds themselves taking heroin. Then once addicted its just a spiral to desperation.

It must be a terrible existence once addicted and I'm sure it can happen to anyone, it's just the outcome for various life paths and choices.

Be grateful if your life path has not taken you or your loved ones down this road. I admire anyone who has managed to come back from that, it must be terribly difficult to do.

That said, if you could, would you try heroin without any risks or addiction attached to that. If you could, would you just try it to experience the high itself?

CaptainToenail

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

it’s a basic coping mechanism for many’s the tortured soul op,to get through another tough day in a life of hell, and inch one step closer to death where they will be finally free from whatever it is that is causing their torture and suffering.

God be with them and be grateful yourself for all that is well in your own life.

If you walked a mile in their shoes I’m sure you would understand them better.

Any change bud?

Salary Negotiator

Smoked it a few times, didn’t think too much of it. Definitely didn’t get the moorish effect that goes with injecting it.

The high horse brigade

CaptainToenail wrote: »

I mean in this day and age, if you take heroin, you deserve what's coming to you.

You should read up on the American opioid issue, most of them were prescribed painkillers by pharma trained professionals and ended up taking heroin

CaptainToenail

The high horse brigade wrote: »

You should read up on the American opioid issue, most of them were prescribed painkillers by pharma trained professionals and ended up taking heroin

This isn't America. In Ireland to get Oxycontin, you need 2 doctors to sign off on it.

Guess theyre ok with diving down the filthiest toilets in Scotland and elsewhere.

Just remember to have the Mars bar on hand for the cone down and the tremendous constipation.

jimgoose

"Man," said the Ghost, "if man you be in heart, not adamant, forbear that wicked cant until you have discovered what the surplus is, and where it is. Will you decide what men shall live, what men shall die? It may be that in the sight of Heaven you are more worthless and less fit to live than millions like this poor man's child. O God! to hear the insect on the leaf pronouncing on the too much life among his hungry brothers in the dust!"

ldy4mxonucwsq6

The high horse brigade wrote: »

You should read up on the American opioid issue, most of them were prescribed painkillers by pharma trained professionals and ended up taking heroin

Yes there's a huge epidemic of opioid abuse (and not your stereotypical 'drug addict' demographic either).

Highly addictive, medically and legally available, usually cheaper than heroin, can be lethal in small doses too. Some people not realising just how addictive their prescription meds are until its too late.

Deebles McBeebles

CaptainToenail wrote: »

This isn't America. In Ireland to get Oxycontin, you need 2 doctors to sign off on it.

Or...go see Deco around Christchurch. Tell him Deebles sent ya...

CaptainToenail

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Or...go see Deco around Christchurch. Tell him Deebles sent ya...

Ah jaysususususus.

NIMAN

I can see where the op is coming from.

I appreciate that you'd need to be at a low ebb to not worry about descending into a drugs hell, but if anyone out there is thinking "I know what'll improve things now for the better, some heroin", then they aren't too clever.

corner of hells

CaptainToenail wrote: »

This isn't America. In Ireland to get Oxycontin, you need 2 doctors to sign off on it.

How does that work ?
A GP will prescribe oxynorm, targin, codeine based meds without needing a second signature?

tdf7187

The stereotype of the junkie in Ireland and the UK is very definitely of someone from the wrong side of the tracks and someone who you would steer clear of if they approached you for change at a bus-stop. While this stereotype is perhaps largely true, there are and have been upper class heroin addicts also. See for example this article from Anthony Haden-Guest (the model, apparently, for Peter Fallow in Bonfire of the Vanities):

http://therealanthonyhadenguest.com/articles.htm

corner of hells

tdf7187 wrote: »

The stereotype of the junkie in Ireland and the UK is very definitely of someone from the wrong side of the tracks and someone who you would steer clear of if they approached you for change at a bus-stop. While this stereotype is perhaps largely true, there are and have been upper class heroin addicts also. See for example this article from Anthony Haden-Guest (the model, apparently, for Peter Fallow in Bonfire of the Vanities):

http://therealanthonyhadenguest.com/articles.htm

I worked in needle exchanges/droo in centres for a while and you be absolutely astonished at the cross section of society that attends them.
From rough sleeping addicts to educated professionals.

Raconteuse

People from a comfortable happy stable background with a loving family and doing heroin - not exactly brimming with sympathy for them. That's rare though I'd say.

But people who have been through horrific, deprived childhoods like a guy on the Peter McVerry documentary (who was on the streets from age 9), much more understandable. It's an escape from hell.

tdf7187

corner of hells wrote: »

I worked in needle exchanges/droo in centres for a while and you be absolutely astonished at the cross section of society that attends them.
From rough sleeping addicts to educated professionals.

Interesting. An acquaintance from a relatively privileged background in Monkstown told me he was aware of people of his generation from similarly privileged backgrounds getting in trouble with h back in the 1980s.

tdf7187

Raconteuse wrote: »

People from a comfortable happy stable background with a loving family and doing heroin - not exactly brimming with sympathy for them. That's rare though I'd say.

But people who have been through horrific, deprived childhoods like a guy on the Peter McVerry documentary (who was on the streets from age 9), much more understandable. It's an escape from hell.

I don't disagree, but I suspect some of the upper and middle class addicts are from backgrounds that are ostensibly privileged but actually abusive, whether psychologically or worse.

corner of hells

tdf7187 wrote: »

I don't disagree, but I suspect some of the upper and middle class addicts are from backgrounds that are ostensibly privileged but actually abusive, whether psychologically or worse.

You just don't know what goes on behind closed doors, it doesn't matter what your postal code is.

El_Duderino 09

eviltwin wrote: »

Anyone I've ever met who took heroin was usually dealing with some traumatic stuff in their past.

Yeah, what idiots. Apparently they deserve anything they have coming to them.

Christ, some people have no compassion. Luckily, most people aren’t like the OP.

I imagine people who do it were deeply unhappy to begin with and it offers short term relief - along with all the misery it brings.

Raconteuse

tdf7187 wrote: »

I don't disagree, but I suspect some of the upper and middle class addicts are from backgrounds that are ostensibly privileged but actually abusive, whether psychologically or worse.

Prime example: the titular character of the Patrick Melrose books by Edward St Aubyn (made into an excellent TV series starring Benedict Cumberbatch). Apparently autobiographical. Super rich but appalling childhood abuse.

ILoveYourVibes

What kind of an idiot takes heroin?

A lot of victims of child sexual abuse end up taking it or more crack nowadays.

It numbs out every emotion and fear and even thought and replaces it with a feeling of numb cosiness.

Its the perfect solution to ptsd. Only its so addictive.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

corner of hells wrote: »

How does that work ?
A GP will prescribe oxynorm, targin, codeine based meds without needing a second signature?

Interested to know too, two signatures definitely not required for codeine, solpadol, tramadol etc and benzos are another big crisis - again available on prescription no second signature required there either.

Raconteuse

It can also stem from addiction to pain relief medication.