Josepha Madigan wants parents to talk to children about sex education

bo0li5eumx12kp

The issue with "leadership" oftentimes is, it may be based on certain characteristics such that an individual commands influence and authority, but that's not to say that authority has been born out of something even remotely worthwhile.

Minister for culture - yet touts ideas that belong in the 15th century.

"It's not the job of educators to talk to children about sexual well being. This is the responsibility of parents".

lolwut??

Is this woman out of touch - or what!?

I mean, not only does someone who exhibits such figurative illiteracy for such an important topic acquire a position of executive control, but some genius actually assigned her that position based on how this entire national issue should be addressed...?
It's like letting the fat kid guard the pie - amIRite?


Let me do a little Tony Montana for ya'll real quick;

Let me 'splain it to ya'll.

Positions such that an individual can dictate national policy are typically assigned on the basis of refinement in critical thinking, as it pertains to their denominated area.

Madigan - in this case, supposedly has some kind of clairvoyant insights as to heritage and culture (though we all know she was basically afforded the position cause she's invested in and promotes Gaeltacht heritage - some idealist notion the Irish cabinet has been holding onto with their nails since Moses wore short pants).

Sex education embodies - whether you like it or no - the most inflammatory and emotionally difficult-to-broach contents of any conceivable topic, and it needs to be addressed in depth, for quality of life and living, due to its intrinsic relevance to - everyone - but especially kids at that tender age (an age so critical to neurodevelopment) - and it needs to be addressed impartially.

Parents do not hold an impartial position.
They're parents.
That's about as partial as you can get.

I'm verging on essay territory so, concisely;

Josepha Madigan is an egg from the old country and has no business dictating cultural policy for a country which has historically struggled to keep up with a fast evolving world - and this topic is a grand mal exemplification of that.

Sex education needs to be more thoroughly researched, an adequate syllabus established by relevant researchers (neuroscience re development, psychology re social relevance etc), and it NEEDS TO BE TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS, not by parents as Madigan advocates.

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Okay - well.....?

Say no to drugs!

TheValeyard

Are you on drugs?

bang on, OP

Homelander

Josepha Madigan is a bit of a fox, isn't she?

Homelander

Homelander wrote: »

Josepha Madigan is a bit of a fox, isn't she?

a cougar, perhaps

banie01

I would afford her parenting advice, about as much consideration as I would her professional opinions regarding where liability accrues after a fall from a swing and how best to proceed in such an instance.

i.e, none

Tabnabs

Homelander wrote: »

Josepha Madigan is a bit of a fox, isn't she?

Yes, if by fox you mean...


Also, just say no to conservative religious politicians giving opinions on sex education for children.

Assetbacked

If parents can't talk to their children about sex then the parents have serious sexual hang ups themselves.

bo0li5eumx12kp

Assetbacked wrote: »

If parents can't talk to their children about sex then the parents have serious sexual hang ups themselves.

This is Ireland.

You need to be realistic.

Mrs OBumble

How can sex be impartial? Its intrinsically about partiality. Unless you believe it's only for reproduction, in which case scientific matching could be useful, I guess.

Allinall

AmiRite?

WTF?

beejee

You love teh gays and don't want anyone holding back the new super-fooked "education" system. I mean, there's nothing easier than isolating and then targeting kids who know no better, insidious but effective.

Like glass, baby.

eviltwin

Assetbacked wrote: »

If parents can't talk to their children about sex then the parents have serious sexual hang ups themselves.

A lot of parents lack basic sex ed themselves so would in effect be useless

Assetbacked

eviltwin wrote: »

A lot of parents lack basic sex ed themselves so would in effect be useless

Yeah, exactly. So parents should in fact engage with themselves in sex education in order to understand that it is okay to discuss with kids. There should not be hang ups discussing something so normal, healthy and fundamental to how we behave.

vladmydad

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eviltwin

Assetbacked wrote: »

Yeah, exactly. So parents should in fact engage with themselves in sex education in order to understand that it is okay to discuss with kids. There should not be hang ups discussing something so normal, healthy and fundamental to how we behave.

Good luck with that. You can't expect parents to be impartial, their own bias will come through. Obviously the primary educator is the parent but no reason why it should not also happen in school too

Assetbacked

eviltwin wrote: »

Good luck with that. You can't expect parents to be impartial, their own bias will come through. Obviously the primary educator is the parent but no reason why it should not also happen in school too

Yes, exactly. There is no reason why it can't be both, but my point is that it should be both.

eviltwin

eviltwin wrote: »

Good luck with that. You can't expect parents to be impartial, their own bias will come through. Obviously the primary educator is the parent but no reason why it should not also happen in school too

Depends on whether or not topics such as "gender identity" and "gender fluid" ****e is on the curriculum. I would like to have a say in what my daughter is being taught if that nonsense was being touted.

Cyrus

eviltwin wrote: »

Good luck with that. You can't expect parents to be impartial, their own bias will come through. Obviously the primary educator is the parent but no reason why it should not also happen in school too

Bias as it pertains to what

And how young should kids be when these subjects are taught

Cyrus

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Depends on whether or not topics such as "gender identity" and "gender fluid" ****e is on the curriculum. I would like to have a say in what my daughter is being taught if that nonsense was being touted.

Indeed , teaching pre pubescent kids about that kind of stuff is madness

beejee

Just like Paul McCartney pumping money into promoting his albums, sex education has had negligible impact worldwide.

Send all the trillions to me and I'll at least have a good time.

bo0li5eumx12kp

Cyrus wrote: »

Bias as it pertains to what

And how young should kids be when these subjects are taught

Don't focus on the wrong part of the story.

This thread wasn't posted with the idea to write an "after hours" determined syllabus for sex education.

It was posted to highlight what sort of an incompetent holds the highest position for cultural implementation in Ireland currently.

Josepha Madigan.

That's who!

eviltwin

Cyrus wrote: »

Bias as it pertains to what

And how young should kids be when these subjects are taught

Bias could be anything from homosexuality is wrong to plain stupidity like you can't get pregnant if you do x, y and z.

I've been talking to my children about sex in an age appropriate way since they were toddlers.

suicide_circus

sex ed in my school was laughable but we figured it out as did pretty much everyone throughout history as well as all the other animal species. the clinical act itself is pretty self explanatory. its the feelings and emotions involved that no amount of department of education approved classes can prepare you for.

Thelonious Monk

Homelander wrote: »

Josepha Madigan is a bit of a fox, isn't she?

Yes. I used to have dealings with her. Shes really bossy and would always correct me when i said her name wrong. Its josEEEpha.

suicide_circus

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Shes really bossy and would always correct me when i said her name wrong.

a strict disciplinarian?

Mr. CooL ICE

Mod: AH -> CA

tayto lover

Ah Josepha.

Sex with no swings attached.

James Brown

Deleted User wrote: »

Depends on whether or not topics such as "gender identity" and "gender fluid" ****e is on the curriculum. I would like to have a say in what my daughter is being taught if that nonsense was being touted.

So she's wrong by the sounds of your home spun curriculum

Lila Tight Mathematician

Lila Tight Mathematician wrote: »

Don't focus on the wrong part of the story.

This thread wasn't posted with the idea to write an "after hours" determined syllabus for sex education.

It was posted to highlight what sort of an incompetent holds the highest position for cultural implementation in Ireland currently.

Josepha Madigan.

That's who!

Is your problem just Ms Madigan?

Sex education, like all education begins at home.

andekwarhola

Assetbacked wrote: »

If parents can't talk to their children about sex then the parents have serious sexual hang ups themselves.

I said the exact same thing yesterday to my wife Cressida about our kids, Tarquin and Guinevere.

James Brown

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yes. I used to have dealings with her. Shes really bossy and would always correct me when i said her name wrong. Its josEEEpha.

These religious conservative types tend to be the worst kind of hypocrites. Go to mass but **** on their neighbour*.

(not a part of the sex ed. curriculum AFAIK)

Calhoun

I would say sex education needs to be taught both at home and in school. It should not be a taboo subject.

Leaving it to be taught only at home is a recipe for disaster as in my day it was having a facts of life book thrown at you. The educational component should provide the depth and then the parents can add on top and help ask questions their kids have.

Matt Barrett

Matt Barrett wrote: »

So she's wrong by the sounds of your home spun curriculum

Can you explain?

Cyrus

eviltwin wrote: »

Bias could be anything from homosexuality is wrong to plain stupidity like you can't get pregnant if you do x, y and z.

I've been talking to my children about sex in an age appropriate way since they were toddlers.

Each to their own but I don’t think toddlers need to be spoken to about Sex

suicide_circus

Matt Barrett wrote: »

These religious conservative types tend to be the worst kind of hypocrites.

also the filthiest perverts

James Brown

Deleted User wrote: »

Can you explain?

When a man and woman love each other...

Your backward attitude boss.

Depends on whether or not topics such as "gender identity" and "gender fluid" ****e is on the curriculum.

These people exist. It's best to be informed rather than sticking your head up your arse*.

(also not a part of the sex ed. curriculum AFAIK)

eviltwin

Cyrus wrote: »

Each to their own but I don’t think toddlers need to be spoken to about Sex

We don't talk about sex, we answer them in an honest, age appropriate way. So when my three year old asked where he came from we told him he grew in mums tummy none of this he came from a cabbage stuff.

Calhoun

eviltwin wrote: »

We don't talk about sex, we answer them in an honest, age appropriate way. So when my three year old asked where he came from we told him he grew in mums tummy none of this he came from a cabbage stuff.

I would also say there is merit in teaching children what is inappropriate from a touching perspective.

I suppose it depends on the age that you do It but considering allot of the recent scandals most recent the scouts having your kids forearmed with what is right and wrong and how they can communicate will better protect them.

Cyrus

eviltwin wrote: »

We don't talk about sex, we answer them in an honest, age appropriate way. So when my three year old asked where he came from we told him he grew in mums tummy none of this he came from a cabbage stuff.

That’s fair enough but not particularly unusual

I thought you were advocating something else

HorrorScope

Matt Barrett wrote: »

When a man and woman love each other...

Your backward attitude boss.



These people exist. It's best to be informed rather than sticking your head up your arse*.

(also not a part of the sex ed. curriculum AFAIK)

Not necessary, those people are a minority and should be treated as such. There is no need for school age children to know about that nonsense.

Gynoid

suicide_circus wrote: »

sex ed in my school was laughable but we figured it out as did pretty much everyone throughout history as well as all the other animal species. the clinical act itself is pretty self explanatory. its the feelings and emotions involved that no amount of department of education approved classes can prepare you for.

Dont you be saying sensible things now. Children have to be taught by well prepared educators about how to touch themselves, for goodness sake.

Matt Barrett

Matt Barrett wrote: »

When a man and woman love each other...

Your backward attitude boss.



These people exist. It's best to be informed rather than sticking your head up your arse*.

(also not a part of the sex ed. curriculum AFAIK)

If you think that not wanting my 8 year old daughter to be taught about gender fluidity or pangenderism or other such topics that are of no benefit to a child is backwards, then I am glad to be deemed backwards.

These people exist? So do furries, so do BDSM groups, so do people into feltching. Are you going to tell your child about dogging and the spots people use? Fisting too? I suppose you could get the Glitter Hole gang in to teach the class.

Gender identity has no place in a pre pubescent sex ed class. FFS up to a year ago my daughter was identifying as a princess unicorn. Now that she has grown out of it, you want a teacher to tell her that if she identifies as a boy, she can actually be one?

Yeah.... Backwards seems alright to me

James Brown

HorrorScope wrote: »

Not necessary, those people are a minority and should be treated as such. There is no need for school age children to know about that nonsense.

I'll give you benefit of the doubt and take it you mean because there aren't that many they shouldn't be covered?

Acknowledging their existence, be you a rabid bigot or not, just makes logical sense. Knowing about gays never made anyone more or less gay but it might have helped a few people to know they weren't alone.

James Brown

Deleted User wrote: »

If you think that not wanting my 8 year old daughter to be taught about gender fluidity or pangenderism or other such topics that are of no benefit to a child is backwards, then I am glad to be deemed backwards.

These people exist? So do furries, so do BDSM groups, so do people into feltching. Are you going to tell your child about dogging and the spots people use? Fisting too? I suppose you could get the Glitter Hole gang in to teach the class.

Gender identity has no place in a pre pubescent sex ed class. FFS up to a year ago my daughter was identifying as a princess unicorn. Now that she has grown out of it, you want a teacher to tell her that if she identifies as a boy, she can actually be one?

Yeah.... Backwards seems alright to me

Age appropriateness, of course. When a kid goes out into the world, I'd like them to know what to expect.

uck51js9zml2yt

I don't consider it the states job to educate my kids on sex education.
I don't want them being told homosexuality is either right or normal or that there are hundreds of genders. A stance that goes against my families religious beliefs...queue homophobe comments.

I dont have any phobias about homosexuality or people thinking they are lampshades !!

Gynoid

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Age appropriateness, of course. When a kid goes out into the world, I'd like them to know what to expect.

Ummm. I have a few children, a long sexually active marriage and I dont know what feltching is.

Gynoid

Gynoid wrote: »

Ummm. I have a few children, a long sexually active marriage and I dont know what feltching is.

Meet me outside in 5. I'll teach you

bo0li5eumx12kp

Ashton Echoing Saber wrote: »

I don't consider it the states job to educate my kids on sex education.
I don't want them being told homosexuality is either right or normal or that there are hundreds of genders. A stance that goes against my families religious beliefs...queue homophobe comments.

I dont have any phobias about homosexuality or people thinking they are lampshades !!

Translation:

- "I'm secretly gay and have no interest in my wife sexually"

Gynoid

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Meet me outside in 5. I'll teach you

Ewwww. (I think!) I thought you were one of the good guys.

Gynoid

Lila Tight Mathematician wrote: »

Translation:

- "I'm secretly gay and have no interest in my wife sexually"

Man, that is a lame remark.