23 and me

mr_fegelien

Anyone used it before? You can find out your propensity for diseases and where you may come from genetically.

Heard of a few cases of the DNA being turned over to law enforcement.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

All I've heard of them was that the results were very generic and also inaccurate.

Why bother?

EmmetSpiceland

Helena Narrow Metronome wrote: »

All I've heard of them was that the results were very generic and also inaccurate.

Why bother?

Sure we’re all going to die anyway.

PsychoPete

I'm not stupid enough to send my DNA to the internet

Ninthlife

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Anyone used it before? You can find out your propensity for diseases and where you may come from genetically.

Heard of a few cases of the DNA being turned over to law enforcement.

We all come from monkeys.

There I saved you a few euro

the_syco

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Heard of a few cases of the DNA being turned over to law enforcement.

https://www.23andme.com/en-eu/law-enforcement-guide/

beejee

Stop sending your genetic samples to for-profit companies.

Also, screw that Chinese company that's here for the laugh to hoover up the Irish genome.

Why do you think they're doing it?

And before anyone replies "but I don't care...", screw you too

beejee

Ninthlife wrote: »

We all come from monkeys.

There I saved you a few euro

Whatever monkeys do for you, it certainly doesn't apply to everyone.

Rufeo

I'm considering doing this. Might report back here if anything interesting comes up.

Ipso

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Anyone used it before? You can find out your propensity for diseases and where you may come from genetically.

Heard of a few cases of the DNA being turned over to law enforcement.

What cases were DNA turned over to law enforcement?
There were cases where law enforcement took DNA samples and crated a digital sample which they then uploaded to a site called gedmatch (it's a site where people who test with 23andme, ancestry etc download their digital file and then upload it to gedmtach) and used the DNA sample as if they were someone looking for a relative. They then used close matches to that sample that had family trees and based upon the names of people on it, then tried to identify a suspect. After the suspect was identified they got a DNA sample and tested it against the original.
It's a powerful tool but not infallible.

Ninthlife

beejee wrote: »

Whatever monkeys do for you, it certainly doesn't apply to everyone.

You mean not everyone has a secret monkey fetish

Planet X

Ninthlife wrote: »

We all come from monkeys.

There I saved you a few euro

Why are there still monkeys then?

spurious

I've had my DNA tested and found a few distant cousins,but I wouldn't be going near any company that does the health indicators, unless I wanted any health and other insurance to go through the roof.

somesoldiers

Blindboy says it’s all a con to produce a superhuman race with best bits of everyone so must be true

73bc61lyohr0mu

Planet X wrote: »

Why are there still monkeys then?

Common ancestors bud...

Ninthlife

Planet X wrote: »

Why are there still monkeys then?

This is After Hours dont try bring science and evolutionary theories in it....

Quick blast something with piss to blend back into AH

Ipso

Planet X wrote: »

Why are there still monkeys then?

My dog asked me the same question about wolves.

beejee

Rufeo wrote: »

I'm considering doing this. Might report back here if anything interesting comes up.

As if anyone here gives a flying fook about you spunking into a jiffy bag for Chinese experiments

buried

Do not even attempt to hand over your DNA to some faceless corporation. You'd want to be as mad as a bag of bats to even consider it. Your basically handing over your entire priceless blueprint to f**k knows who. Insurance companies will be all over this to mine this sort of data. Don't do it.

Ipso

buried wrote: »

Do not even attempt to hand over your DNA to some faceless corporation. You'd want to be as mad as a bag of bats to even consider it. Your basically handing over your entire priceless blueprint to f**k knows who. Insurance companies will be all over this to mine this sort of data. Don't do it.

Your DNA is everywhere, I'm going to find some of yours and send it in.

Das Reich

For an Irish person with 4 Irish grandparents I think is useless doing this test. I can understand and American (continent) doing this test.

amadangomor

buried wrote: »

Do not even attempt to hand over your DNA to some faceless corporation. You'd want to be as mad as a bag of bats to even consider it. Your basically handing over your entire priceless blueprint to f**k knows who. Insurance companies will be all over this to mine this sort of data. Don't do it.

Cool story Bro. Did I hear the rustling of tinfoil from somewhere?

buried

Ipso wrote: »

Your DNA is everywhere, I'm going to find some of yours and send it in.

Get to it, let me know how you get on

buried

amadangomor wrote: »

Cool story Bro. Did I hear the rustling of tinfoil from somewhere?

Gway the f**k from me with that quasi yank 'bro' nonsesne gasun

beejee

Ipso wrote: »

Your DNA is everywhere, I'm going to find some of yours and send it in.

I'd start with your ma's face, 1 in 4 chance of some randomer off the Internet being there

Ipso

Das Reich wrote: »

For an Irish person with 4 Irish grandparents I think is useless doing this test. I can understand and American (continent) doing this test.

It can be interesting also from a big picture anthropological point of view.
But in my case it also shows how little of my ancestry (from a detailed personal point of view) I know of before my great grand parents.

Ipso

beejee wrote: »

I'd start with your ma's face, 1 in 4 chance of some randomer off the Internet being there

reducto ad yerma

beejee

Ipso wrote: »

reducto ad yerma

Spunko ad infinitum

Conall Cernach

Planet X wrote: »

Why are there still monkeys then?

Only ugly ones though.

banie01

In the absence of a court order, my DNA is staying off any and all databases.

Sleeper12

I tried Ancestry and 23&me. Found family on both 2nd to 6th cousins. Ancestry is better for family research because it has a family tree. 23&me has health research. It doesn't tell you that you have a particular illness. It tells you that you are more or less likely to have a predisposition.

cj maxx

spurious wrote: »

I've had my DNA tested and found a few distant cousins,but I wouldn't be going near any company that does the health indicators, unless I wanted any health and other insurance to go through the roof.

Be careful, isn't that how the caught the golden state killer ? Compared DNA on file to people who took those tests. They didn't get a 100% match iirc but narrowed it down.

antodeco

PsychoPete wrote: »

I'm not stupid enough to send my DNA to the internet

Just don't stick your willy in the hole in the CD tray. It's like a horizontal gulluitine

wakka12

beejee wrote: »

Stop sending your genetic samples to for-profit companies.

Also, screw that Chinese company that's here for the laugh to hoover up the Irish genome.

Why do you think they're doing it?

And before anyone replies "but I don't care...", screw you too

why are they

JohnnyFlash

Seems like a spectacularly bad idea to use these 'services' to be honest. What will you find out? That you've a fat 8th cousin in America, and that your great great great great great granny slept with a Spanish sailor? In return your data is then sold to every data analytics firm who wants to buy such datasets.

Same thing applies with those Fitbits yokes people wear now. What a crock of shít. You give up your privacy about your health and exercise in return for an app that feeds into your ego about how healthy you'd like to be. Run until you are out of breath, and sleep for 8 hours.

Mad stuff.

Sleeper12

JohnnyFlash wrote:

Seems like a spectacularly bad idea to use these 'services' to be honest. What will you find out? That you've a fat 8th cousin in America, and that your great great great great great granny slept with a Spanish sailor? In return your data is then sold to every data analytics firm who wants to buy such datasets.

I've used them but everyone should be prepared for unexpected news. People have discovered that their father isn't their father or that they were adopted & were never told. Might be low risk but people should consider the risk just the same

beejee

wakka12 wrote: »

why are they

I made a balls of copying it, but this is a section from a newspaper article. You'll be able to find it.


"GMI was loss-making for the first three years. It was later bought by WuXi, a Chinese pharmaceutical company, with a further investment of €61.2 million by ISIF. WuXi is investing €325 million in a pharmaceutical plant in Co Louth.

Clinical information
GMI has expressed a desire to work in partnership with Irish clinicians. However, much of the medical information sought by GMI has been collected from patients in public hospitals funded by the exchequer at great expense – patient diagnoses and collection of meaningful information depends on the expertise of senior clinicians and specialist nurses.

Clinicians are being contracted and asked to obtain consent from their patients to transfer clinical information to GMI, along with a tissue sample for WGS. We understand GMI will pay for the additional hospital clinical costs required for the project. It will obtain the full genetic code for each patient (WGS), and it will analyse all the data. For the most part (with notable exceptions in some paediatric cases) there is minimal tangible benefit to the patient who participates in this programme.

It is important to realise that GMI will own all the clinical and WGS data that they have acquired from the health service, which is of considerable commercial value. GMI will also have complete control over the research and any outcomes. Participating patients do not appear to have access to their data held by GMI – and there does not seem to be a “right to be forgotten”, despite the commercial nature of the enterprise. Moreover, the genomic and clinical data may also be transmitted outside of the European Union, and thus will not be protected by the stringent data-protection laws within the EU.

Given the poor resourcing of research in the Irish healthcare sector in the current environment, it is not surprising that many clinicians have entered into contracts with commercial agencies such as GMI to avail of much-needed funding that can support research personnel. However"

This is a taste, and is barely scratching the surface of the downsides. Read into it. We're allowing ourselves to be harvested, basically, amply supported by our own government, because of fooking course!

Rufeo

beejee wrote: »

As if anyone here gives a flying fook about you spunking into a jiffy bag for Chinese experiments

It doesn't work like that.

EmmetSpiceland

Rufeo wrote: »

It doesn't work like that.

Yeah, it’s a small cup not a bag!

Wibbs

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Yeah, it’s a small cup not a bag!

Speak for yourself E...

LaFuton

i came across an interesting dna/data harvesting device involving a lemon and windchimes one time on holidays

cj maxx

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I've used them but everyone should be prepared for unexpected news. People have discovered that their father isn't their father or that they were adopted & were never told. Might be low risk but people should consider the risk just the same

Rubbish, urban tales.
Firstly they'd need your father to be tested.

cj maxx

The thing about DNA tests, afaik , is they're more about % of probably than definite yes/no . As in if you tested your kids ( without the mother) you might get anything from 99.9 down. 70% I think is the threshold for proving paternity . These 'cousins ' in far flung could be very very distant.

Sleeper12

cjmc wrote:

Rubbish, urban tales. Firstly they'd need your father to be tested.

You do realise that families get this done together right? Adult children give these tests to their parents for Christmas. Parents give them to their children for Christmas. I have a 2nd cousin I found on 23&me. Her who family has been tested. He father is pushing 90 and he's getting a kit from her for Christmas.

Sleeper12

cjmc wrote:

The thing about DNA tests, afaik , is they're more about % of probably than definite yes/no . As in if you tested your kids ( without the mother) you might get anything from 99.9 down. 70% I think is the threshold for proving paternity . These 'cousins ' in far flung could be very very distant.

They can exact match siblings on different sides of the planet with 100 percent certainty. They can & have matched parents with children they never knew that they had.

Ipso

cjmc wrote: »

The thing about DNA tests, afaik , is they're more about % of probably than definite yes/no . As in if you tested your kids ( without the mother) you might get anything from 99.9 down. 70% I think is the threshold for proving paternity . These 'cousins ' in far flung could be very very distant.

They seem to be fairly accurate for up to around third cousins, after that it can vary.
Then there is the issue of the randomness of DNA recombination where you could have different amounts of shared DNA with similar distance cousins.

beejee

Did anyone even read the news excerpt I posted about that Chinese company here and the 50 ways it's insanely bad for us in ireland?

More interested in das spunkenspiel and finding cousins or something

beejee

Rufeo wrote: »

It doesn't work like that.

If that's the case, why do you have hundreds of filled jiffy bags around the house? And why are they individually named with dates attached?

Explain that!

spurious

spurious wrote: »

I've had my DNA tested and found a few distant cousins,but I wouldn't be going near any company that does the health indicators, unless I wanted any health and other insurance to go through the roof.

Did you go totally private on the DNA test (if there is such a service) or use a commercial company for testing?

Sleeper12

Deleted User wrote: »

Did you go totally private on the DNA test (if there is such a service) or use a commercial company for testing?

The only way to find family is public database

Rufeo

beejee wrote: »

If that's the case, why do you have hundreds of filled jiffy bags around the house? And why are they individually named with dates attached?

Explain that!

Stay off the drugs mate, it isn't worth it.