30kmh over speed limit, court prosecution and €2000 fine..(Shane Ross)

drunkmonkey

Transport Minister Shane Ross wants to introduce new laws allowing penalty points and fines to be applied based on how far above the speed limit a motorist is caught travelling.

Drivers who exceed the speed limit by more than 30kmh will face a court prosecution and a €2,000 fine.

The Irish Independent understands a memo to be brought to Cabinet states Justice Minister Charlie Flanagan and the Garda Commissioner are in favour of the changes.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/cabinet-prepares-for-allout-war-as-rural-ministers-plot-to-derail-ross-plan-38722583.html

This Dutch gold drinking luas outside his door gombeen needs to go now, he's pushing us more towards 1984 everytime he opens his mouth.

vandriver

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Transport Minister Shane Ross wants to introduce new laws allowing penalty points and fines to be applied based on how far above the speed limit a motorist is caught travelling.

Drivers who exceed the speed limit by more than 30kmh will face a court prosecution and a €2,000 fine.

The Irish Independent understands a memo to be brought to Cabinet states Justice Minister Charlie Flanagan and the Garda Commissioner are in favour of the changes.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/cabinet-prepares-for-allout-war-as-rural-ministers-plot-to-derail-ross-plan-38722583.html

This Dutch gold drinking luas outside his door gombeen needs to go now, he's pushing us more towards 1984 everytime he opens his mouth.

Just to be clear,do you think it is ok or not to drive past a school at 61 kmh?(Assuming the school is in a 30 km zone)

Mooooo

vandriver wrote: »

Just to be clear,do you think it is ok or not to drive past a school at 61 kmh?(Assuming the school is in a 30 km zone)

I don't think anyone would argue that, it's on motorways people would most likely have issues with it.

ThunbergsAreGo

Think Ross is a moron, seems a fair law though

drunkmonkey

vandriver wrote: »

Just to be clear,do you think it is ok or not to drive past a school at 61 kmh?(Assuming the school is in a 30 km zone)

Do you think it's ok for your children to be playing on the road outside a school. Do you think teachers should be fined €2000 when it happens?

Tzardine

I have no issue with this what so ever.

150 kmh is way over the speed limit on a motorway, and not a speed that it is easy to creep up to without knowing.

The difference in forces between a 120 and 150 kmh crash are also huge.

I think what is proposed is quite fair.

Damien360

I was under the impression that the points system was supposed to free up the courts. If they are going to apply €2000 fines, every single person will be going in to court to argue.

Plenty of countries have graduated speeding fines. Higher fines for speeding in lower speed limit zones and then apply a second tier for amount over. So a 60 in a 30 would cost a fortune but 130 in a 100 wouldn’t be as big a fine. But, it is done instead of points, not additional to them. I got a fine for speeding in France or Belgium (can’t remember) and this is what was applied.

Seth Brundle

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Do you think it's ok for your children to be playing on the road outside a school. Do you think teachers should be fined €2000 when it happens?

What about kids crossing the road or kids cycling home?

LillySV

Where does Ross stop..... he is going to have a lot of otherwise law abiding citizens left with criminal convictions yet..... he keeps increasing the fines and the sentences on motorists..... yet if your a rapist, a thug, a thief or a murderer in this country , your sanction/sentence is getting less every year... and free legal aid for them as many times as they want it!

There’s many wide open roads in this country that have ridiculous low speed limits such as 30km/h when it should actually be 80/km/h. And to think someone could be brought to court and left with a conviction because they rightly break the stupid speed limit on such roads is ridicilulous

drunkmonkey

Seth Brundle wrote: »

What about kids crossing the road or kids cycling home?

What about them, I rather they grow up in a world where there not afraid to piss crooked. Dangerous driving is dangerous driving, 30kmh over some notional limit is not dangerous driving.

Seth Brundle

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What about them, I rather they grow up in a world where there not afraid to piss crooked. Dangerous driving is dangerous driving, 30kmh over some notional limit is not dangerous driving.

With my drivers cap on, I might agree. With my cycling or walking hat on I would definitely disagree with you!

un5byh7sqpd2x0

LillySV wrote: »

There’s many wide open roads in this country that have ridiculous low speed limits such as 30km/h when it should actually be 80/km/h. And to think someone could be brought to court and left with a conviction because they rightly break the stupid speed limit on such roads is ridicilulous

The only 30km/h limits in this country are outside schools

Seth Brundle

Meilani Sweet Neckline wrote: »

The only 30km/h limits in this country are outside schools

Dublin city centre.
My housing estate.

TrailerBob

I see 2 things any time this comes up here.

1: some people just want carte blanche to decide for themselves what the speed should be at any given time and law bedamned.. (I'm no saint by the way)

2: a mismatch in a lot of places between speed limit and road construction. Eg. My road has grass growing up the middle and is 8 feet wide.. 80km/h limit. (This is actually the case) Etc..

Also Shane Ross is not a man of the people..

Tzardine

30 limits are there for a good reason. They are in high pedestrian areas.

A crash at 60 has four times the force of a crash at 30 and is almost certainly a fatality in a pedestrian impact.

drunkmonkey

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Dublin city centre.

There's the problem. Bring in the law for country Dublin as they have the least to lose and welcome it the most.

Seth Brundle

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There's the problem. Bring in the law for country Dublin as they have the least to lose and welcome it the most.

There are many 30kmh and 40kmh zones.
Can you name one where it should be ok to travel more than 30kmh above the speed limit?

redcup342

It would make a lot more sense having a graduated system that differentiates between City and Motorway.

redcup342

redcup342 wrote: »

It would make a lot more sense having a graduated system that differentiates between City and Motorway.

there is.

the speed limits are about 90km/h higher on a motorway.

thats pretty graduated.

ianobrien

I think the flat figure of 30kph over the limit is rather stupid. It doesn't take into account the magnitude of the speed expressed in relation to the speed limit. The percentage over the limit with the proposals above are
30kph =100%
50kph=60%
80kph=38%
100kph=30%
120kph=25%

I think that there should be a set percentage of the speed limit rather than the blanket Xkph over. I also think that the focus on speeding is having a massive negative effect on the standard of driving in this country. As long as you are not speeding, you can generally get away with anything.

redcup342

Deleted User wrote: »

there is.

the speed limits are about 90km/h higher on a motorway.

thats pretty graduated.

I meant the fine should be graduated.

https://boetes.nl/boete-te-hard-rijden

Different set fines for In an Urban Area/Outside/Motorway and if you are driving in Roadworks.

A blanket 80 euro fine is not really fair.

Bannasidhe

LillySV wrote: »

..... he is going to have a lot of otherwise law abiding citizens left with criminal convictions yet..... he keeps increasing the fines and the sentences on motorists.....

'otherwise law abiding' but just breaking this one little law they don't like kind of citizens?

Why would anyone need to go 60 in a 30 mile zone?
Or 150 on the motorway?

It's really quite simple. Stay under the speed limits = no fines and/or penalty points.

average_runner

Mooooo wrote: »

I don't think anyone would argue that, it's on motorways people would most likely have issues with it.

Why would you be driving at 150 on the motorway? That is just careless.

average_runner

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Do you think it's ok for your children to be playing on the road outside a school. Do you think teachers should be fined €2000 when it happens?

Why are teachers mentioned here? Do they drive that fast?

average_runner

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What about them, I rather they grow up in a world where there not afraid to piss crooked. Dangerous driving is dangerous driving, 30kmh over some notional limit is not dangerous driving.

30k over a 30k speed limit can be the difference between a kid living and a kid dying.

beansys

I have no problem with high fines for above 30 over the limit but i do have a problem with below 10 kmh over the limit. There should be a warning letter before any fines are issued for those as they are little infringements. Over 10 to 20 kmh there should be a instant fine of 80 euros and then go wild on over 30.

magicbastarder

i see no issue with a €2000 fine for 30km/h+ over the limit; if you're that incapable of sticking to a speed limit, you're clearly not a fit driver.
it's not difficult to stick to the limit. if you say it is, you're clearly impulsive and unable to control yourself and i worry about the thought of you being in control of a 1.5ton vehicle at 100km/h.

Seth Brundle

beansys wrote: »

I have no problem with high fines for above 30 over the limit but i do have a problem with below 10 kmh over the limit. There should be a warning letter before any fines are issued for those as they are little infringements. Over 10 to 20 kmh there should be a instant fine of 80 euros and then go wild on over 30.

The more complex the system is then the more difficult it is to enforce. People would be appealing because they thought they were 9km/h over the limit rather than 10km/h etc.

LillySV

Seth Brundle wrote: »

There are many 30kmh and 40kmh zones.
Can you name one where it should be ok to travel more than 30kmh above the speed limit?

I’ll give ya one, there’s a 60km limit on a dual carriage way on outskirts of Galway... no houses or kids or schools, everyone including the Garda cars go around 100kmh on it as speed limit makes no sense....and then as a poster said earlier... there’s roads in the country with grass in it that are barely wide enough for one car that have 80kmh speeds.... speed limits in areas aren’t always right. Anyways bigger problem these days is people not following laws such as breaking red lights, talking on phones, driving across or pulling out on road in front of cars...

An even bigger problem lately , cyclists breaking red lights, cutting in and out of traffic in a dangerous manner to themselves and others, mounting footpaths and putting pedestrians at risk.... any penalties or fines for this carry on?

magicbastarder

LillySV wrote: »

An even bigger problem lately , cyclists breaking red lights, cutting in and out of traffic in a dangerous manner to themselves and others, mounting footpaths and putting pedestrians at risk.... any penalties or fines for this carry on?

yes, cyclists are subject to fixed charge fines.

Seth Brundle

LillySV wrote: »

An even bigger problem lately , cyclists breaking red lights, cutting in and out of traffic in a dangerous manner to themselves and others, mounting footpaths and putting pedestrians at risk.... any penalties or fines for this carry on?

Oh Christ, here we go again :rolleyes:
Let's nip this nonsense in the bud.
Road users of all types break the laws. However, it appears to only be drivers that kill about two to three people every week.
Anyhjow, we're discussing proposed penalties for drivers who exceed speed limits by 30kmh not cyclists on footpaths.