Jeremy Corbyn- Britain under his leadership

Blanco100

Nicola Sturgeon tonight has claimed he is willing to sacrifice the union in a bid to secure the support of the SNP to prop up his Labour government.

But the price will be he gets to deliver his radical manifesto.

Can anyone tell me what is so radical about Corbyn's manifesto. What would Britain look like under his leadership?

Genuinely curious to know peoples thoughts. Apologies for not giving my own thoughts, I don't know enough, hence i'm looking for opinions of your good selves

Thanks a million in advance

Beasty

Up to 10% of shares to employees, limiting dividends, significant privatisations, all of which will destroy shareholder, and in turn pensioner, value at a time when the country is heading into a pensions timebomb

City will retreat to other places, unemployment will probably rise, the amount he's proposing to borrow will push up the cost of borrowing for everyone, risking a return to inflation. He thinks he can borrow until his heart's content, but debt has to be repaid, and his plans will likely see borrowing increase further in future years

markodaly

He plans to renationalise the following industries:

Broadband
Energy
Mail
Water
Rail
Bus

The majority of this would fall foul of EU State aid rules and competition law. Make no mistake about it, Corbyn is a leaver at heart.

Blanco100

markodaly wrote: »

He plans to renationalise the following industries:

Broadband
Energy
Mail
Water
Rail
Bus

The majority of this would fall foul of EU State aid rules and competition law. Make no mistake about it, Corbyn is a leaver at heart.

What about Northern Ireland? We all know his history and rep as an paramilitary sympathizer, but what happens to Northern Ireland under Corbyns hand?

nuac

I think he will let NI go.
The recent performance of the DUP may make that a popular decision outside hardline unionists

Blanco100

nuac wrote: »

I think he will let NI go.
The recent performance of the DUP may make that a popular decision outside hardline unionists

How would he dress up "letting NI go" though?

How would it come about?

markodaly

Blanco100 wrote: »

What about Northern Ireland? We all know his history and rep as an paramilitary sympathizer, but what happens to Northern Ireland under Corbyns hand?

It is out of his hands. The future of the north lies with the people of the north (and south to a degree). Whoever is in No.10 Downing street wont change that.

Surely there is only a certain amount any government can successfully take on?

Realistically all these industries would be a massive job to nationalise all at once?
Broadband
Energy
Mail
Water
Rail
Bus

Campaign in poetry, govern in prose & all that.

But oh yes he's a leaver alright.

Richard Hillman

Everything nationalised
Wages rise exponentially
Massive currency inflation
Importers struggle with poor exchange rates
Food shortages
People unhappy
Nobody willing to export to the UK due to poor credit rating
More inflation
Massive protests
Protestors portrayed as fascist sabateurs
Violent crackdowns
More protests
Nationalised Internet is shut down to stop protests.
Foreign country (Russia or the US) blamed for all woes
More protests.
Police and Armed forces turn on leadership.
Leadership arrested on corruption

The usual.

tuxy

Blanco100 wrote: »

How would he dress up "letting NI go" though?

How would it come about?

It can only come about as a border poll unless he wants to break the Good Friday Agreement

Charlie19

Not sure why but I kind of like him.

That's all I've got.

ILoveYourVibes

Well lets face it he would be better than Boris.

Assetbacked

Better than the elitist, racist Tories. Simple as that.

MeMen2_MoRi_

I'm a "looney lefty" Corbyn scares the fcuk out of me!

MeMen2_MoRi_

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

I'm a "looney lefty" Corbyn scares the fcuk out of me!

Is that the substance of your argument? I'm not bowled over by the man, but labels like "looney lefty" are a disservice to constructive debate.

Tom Mann Centuria

I'd vote for him.

JPA

Whatever you think of his policies, he shouldn't be a party leader.

tuxy

If he was a competent leader that wasn't so polarizing labour would be ahead not behind after the way the tories have acted the last few years.

MeMen2_MoRi_

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is that the substance of your argument? I'm not bowled over by the man, but labels like "looney lefty" are a disservice to constructive debate.

Tongue in cheek, in regards the left in any debate are considered lunatics. I lean left with my politics and Corbyns policies I can't buy into them. He's gone to far left.

end of the road

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Surely there is only a certain amount any government can successfully take on?

Realistically all these industries would be a massive job to nationalise all at once?
Broadband
Energy
Mail
Water
Rail
Bus

Campaign in poetry, govern in prose & all that.

But oh yes he's a leaver alright.

rail is part nationalised as it is, the infrastructure manager is a state owned organisation.
the only real issues would be the rolling stock which would have to be bought out all though a bit of it is scrap value anyway at this stage.
current operating contracts might have to be bought out all though they could just be left run.
for bus he seems to want to give councils control of them rather then actual nationalisation, as in he wants to do away with de-regulation, which to be fair hasn't had the greatest of success.
not sure how he will do the others but presumably it will just be the infrastructure with a state operator for each along with any private operators.
there will still be private companies providing services as they can't be stopped from using infrastructure and i'm not sure corbyn actually wants to get rid of them, rather stop the state wholey relying on them for providing critical services which in a way may not be a bad thing incase something happens that requires some sort of fallback option.
i don't think he will win the election anyway, i think it will either be a hung parliament or boris will get in unfortunately.

Berserker5

He's not messing about with this

Better Than Christ

tuxy wrote: »

If he was a competent leader that wasn't so polarizing labour would be ahead not behind after the way the tories have acted the last few years.

If he wasn't a competent leader, he wouldn't have survived so many attempts to get rid of him. Given the attacks and smears that have been thrown at him since 2015, it's unbelievable that he's lasted so long. The longest-serving and most electorally-successful Labour leader since Tony Blair.

With the benefit of hindsight, maybe he should have stepped aside after the 2017 election. He could have left on such a high and would have had enough clout with ordinary members to effectively choose his own successor... someone younger, also left-of-centre, but harder to smear. The last couple of years have been particularly relentless. It doesn't matter that there's not an ounce of truth in the accusations that he's an anti-semite or a terrorist sympathiser - when you throw that much mud at someone, some of it is bound to stick.

MoashoaM

Could he be any worse than the mop-top?

ILoveYourVibes

Charlie19 wrote: »

Not sure why but I kind of like him.

That's all I've got.

I dont like him ..but he's still better than boris and the tories.

Berserker5

Thatcher will be turning in her grave

AllForIt

I don't know if anyone has noticed but Coybyn is always very measured when on the box. This is all an act. He's extremely careful about what he says (i.e. not to sound like a raging socialist) which is why he speaks in that slow deliberate faux calm manner, pausing for that slight second before he opens his mouth.

Tonight's performance by him IMO was contrived to have him come across as 'nice' a guy as possible with his 'nice' policies to help the poor etc....but underneath it all he's intent on 70's style socialist policies which is the last thing Britain needs when they finally Brexit, or anytime for that matter.

Tom Mann Centuria

Lololololol.

Notdeco

Berserker5 wrote: »

Thatcher will be turning in her grave

Good! She was a devil. Tbh, this election is being portrayed in the same way as trump vs Clinton.yet another mess up, no matter who wins.

Better Than Christ

AllForIt wrote: »

I don't know if anyone has noticed but Coybyn is always very measured when on the box. This is all an act. He's extremely careful about what he says (i.e. not to sound like a raging socialist) which is why he speaks in that slow deliberate faux calm manner, pausing for that slight second before he opens his mouth.

Tonight's performance by him IMO was contrived to have him come across as 'nice' a guy as possible with his 'nice' policies to help the poor etc....but underneath it all he's intent on 70's style socialist policies which is the last thing Britain needs when they finally Brexit, or anytime for that matter.

That's just how he's always spoken. The man's hobbies include making jam, tending to his allotment, taking photos of manhole covers and train-spotting. There is no act. It's possible to be quietly spoken and also have strong opinions - opinions which he has never hidden.

Tom Mann Centuria

Better Than Christ wrote: »

That's just how he's always spoken. The man's hobbies include making jam, tending to his allotment, taking photos of manhole covers and train-spotting. There is no act. It's possible to be quietly spoken and also have strong opinions - opinions which he has never hidden.

Correct. He's sneakily hiding all his socialist plans by putting out a manifesto, outlining his socialist plans, the cunning socialist.

ILoveYourVibes

Berserker5 wrote: »

Thatcher will be turning in her grave

I would say she would be laughing.

Obama would make Thatcher spin...

padd b1975

I'd be more wary of the sinister John McDonnell and the scarily stupid Diane Abbott and Emily Thornberry if I'm honest.

dd973

He's only a 'dangerous Marxist loony leftist' set against the socio-political paradigm of the UK (the most neoliberal and unequal society in Europe) over the last 40 years, in Scandinavia he'd just be a middle of the road social democrat.

There's an interesting Oxford lecturer called Danny Dorling worth checking out on You Tube, basically the nub of his views is that eventually the UK's future, or it's component parts if it splits, is going to be that of a second tier Euro nation that looks after it's citizens, no more Iraq's and Afghanistan's and all the other geopolitical preening and posturing it's so fond of.

Getting rid of the nukes and spending the billions used on them on social housing, hospitals and teaching it's youngsters how to read and write would go a long way towards civilising them.

BakeMeACake

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

I dont like him ..but he's still better than boris and the tories.

Really? You like a politician who sits on the fence. You like a politician who rewards unemployment. Well go you

KyussB

Corbyn's position on Brexit has been incoherent, and he has utterly failed to take advantage of the incredible shitshow the Tories have been putting on the last few years - which makes him incredibly dangerous to the UK.

The UK's future rests on Brexit, not on Labour vs Tories. Corbyn's economics within the EU can be a boon. Anyone's economics under a Post-Brexit UK will be a failure, because the economics will be dominated by the breakup of the UK.

Tom Mann Centuria

KyussB wrote: »

Corbyn's position on Brexit has been incoherent, and he has utterly failed to take advantage of the incredible shitshow the Tories have been putting on the last few years - which makes him incredibly dangerous to the UK.

The UK's future rests on Brexit, not on Labour vs Tories. Corbyn's economics within the EU can be a boon. Anyone's economics under a Post-Brexit UK will be a failure, because the economics will be dominated by the breakup of the UK.

He's dozens of MPs in the Midlands and North of England who's constituents voted strongly to leave and just as many in London who voted the direct opposite. Labour would make zero gains on a wholly pro or anti Brexit message. I think the message now is clear, respectful of the way everyone voted the last time, and about as good as he could do for his MPs. Yes It was a blurred picture to start with, by necessity.

The only party that could possibly stop Brexit is Labour, but I think the brainwashing by the old media is such, I actually believe the UK would vote leave again in any subsequent referendum.

Wanderer78

It's hard to know really, but I suspect re nationalisation could fail spectacularly, the world has moved on from our state protectionism past, and has entered the world of plutocratic/oligopoly/financialisation, we could be untangling this one forever, with dreadful effects

Tom Mann Centuria

Wanderer78 wrote: »

It's hard to know really, but I suspect re nationalisation could fail spectacularly, the world has moved on from our state protectionism past, and has entered the world of plutocratic/oligopoly/financialisation, we could be untangling this one forever, with dreadful effects

Now we have protectionism from multinationals, and those looking to make profit, id rather see the power back in elected officials hands, who's motivation is quality of life of it's people, not bonuses . Britain is a grim place the last few years, not a country I'd want to move home to, so taking a chance on progressive* re nationalisation really isn't a worry to me, it's exciting.

Otherwise it's (every post needs a Simpsons quote) Flanders parents idea "We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas".



*progressive as in staged, slowly progress, they aren't going to hit the nationalise button for everything in one day.



I'll step out of the thread now, as Boards is one of the few bits of my Internet that isn't swarming with politics and is a nice escape from it all.

But if you have a vote in the UK, VOTE LABOUR! :pac:

Rodin

Any man who can't even fix his crooked glasses, has no business trying to fix a country.

Wanderer78

Tom Mann Centuria wrote:

Now we have protectionism from multinationals, and those looking to make profit, id rather see the power back in elected officials hands, who's motivation is quality of life of it's people, not bonuses . Britain is a grim place the last few years, not a country I'd want to move home to, so taking a chance on progressive* re nationalisation really isn't a worry to me, it's exciting.

Oh I completely agree, we now have protectionism for everything bare the average citizen now, something has to give, and the fact that Ireland is a tax haven for mnc's, leaves me wondering, irish folks must really love paying taxes. It ll be interesting to see is re nationalism will take off in Britain, but my gut tells me, this will be extremely complicated, and some major failures will occur

flazio

I've seen a clip from Question Time about how only 5% of the UK earn over £80k and that Labour makes no bones about the fact they want to tax them more on their earnings.
Whatever about exactly how many people this affects but surely anybody who's put in the hard time and money to obtain the masters degrees, promotions and hard work to earn, and I stress the word earn, good money you'd want to protect your money and not give it away without seeing any benefit from it.
In my view it removes incentive to work hard towards the good jobs if the reward is the government taking most of your salary increase.

Rodin

flazio wrote: »

I've seen a clip from Question Time about how only 5% of the UK earn over £80k and that Labour makes no bones about the fact they want to tax them more on their earnings.
Whatever about exactly how many people this affects but surely anybody who's put in the hard time and money to obtain the masters degrees, promotions and hard work to earn, and I stress the word earn, good money you'd want to protect your money and not give it away without seeing any benefit from it.
In my view it removes incentive to work hard towards the good jobs if the reward is the government taking most of your salary increase.

Those on better salaries are already paying for everything already and now he wants to tax them more.
I can't stand the man

Wanderer78

flazio wrote:

I've seen a clip from Question Time about how only 5% of the UK earn over £80k and that Labour makes no bones about the fact they want to tax them more on their earnings. Whatever about exactly how many people this affects but surely anybody who's put in the hard time and money to obtain the masters degrees, promotions and hard work to earn, and I stress the word earn, good money you'd want to protect your money and not give it away without seeing any benefit from it. In my view it removes incentive to work hard towards the good jobs if the reward is the government taking most of your salary increase.

Seen that, it's a difficult one, I'd imagine it's difficult enough to live in a major city such as London on £80k, but I will agree, large amounts of wealth are probably not that hard earned, some would simply be born into it, then sat back, and through policies that encouraged asset price inflation, everybody wins, or not, labour have a battle on their hands, which I suspect will lose.

171170

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Seen that, it's a difficult one, I'd imagine it's difficult enough to live in a major city such as London on £80k, but I will agree, large amounts of wealth are probably not that hard earned, some would simply be born into it, then sat back, and through policies that encouraged asset price inflation, everybody wins, or not, labour have a battle on their hands, which I suspect will lose.

It's hard to win any battle when one has a witless pacifist as one's leader.

Wanderer78

171170 wrote:

It's hard to win any battle when one has a witless pacifist as one's leader.

Yea he's a poor leader, its why i cant see him winning, they probably should have john mcdonnel, or someone like that in there

KyussB

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

He's dozens of MPs in the Midlands and North of England who's constituents voted strongly to leave and just as many in London who voted the direct opposite. Labour would make zero gains on a wholly pro or anti Brexit message. I think the message now is clear, respectful of the way everyone voted the last time, and about as good as he could do for his MPs. Yes It was a blurred picture to start with, by necessity.

The only party that could possibly stop Brexit is Labour, but I think the brainwashing by the old media is such, I actually believe the UK would vote leave again in any subsequent referendum.

They don't have a clear message. Any message other than a strong rejection of Brexit, means the breakup of the UK - and definite economic limbo.

tuxy

tuxy wrote: »

If he was a competent leader that wasn't so polarizing labour would be ahead not behind after the way the tories have acted the last few years.

After all the tories have done the leader of the opposition should be a shoe in, but the entire country is unsure of him. Not least because the worst kept secret is that he's a leaver.

"He's better than Boris" should not be the reason anyone votes for him.

171170

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Yea he's a poor leader, its why i cant see him winning, they probably should have john mcdonnel, or someone like that in there

Sir Keir Starmer every time - the thinking leftie's ideal leader.

Gringo180

Blanco100 wrote: »

What about Northern Ireland? We all know his history and rep as an paramilitary sympathizer, but what happens to Northern Ireland under Corbyns hand?

Paramilitary sympathizer is a bit disingenuous. He was an advocate for bringing peace to Northern Ireland when the British establishment refused to engage in talks with Sinn Fein with regards to bringing some sort of peace up north. Dont believe everything your read in the tabloids.

Annasopra

flazio wrote: »

I've seen a clip from Question Time about how only 5% of the UK earn over £80k and that Labour makes no bones about the fact they want to tax them more on their earnings.
Whatever about exactly how many people this affects but surely anybody who's put in the hard time and money to obtain the masters degrees, promotions and hard work to earn, and I stress the word earn, good money you'd want to protect your money and not give it away without seeing any benefit from it.
In my view it removes incentive to work hard towards the good jobs if the reward is the government taking most of your salary increase.

Without seeing any benefit from it?

Thats simply not true. You get benefits in healthcare, education, public transport

flazio

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Without seeing any benefit from it?

Thats simply not true. You get benefits in healthcare, education, public transport

Higher earners pay for all of that themselves. (well, private transport instead of public)