Deprogramming Verona Murphy

James Brown

It seems scaremongering and using asylum seekers/immigrants as a dog whistle is all the rage with these minor league politicians even if their party is one of the largest in the country.
We'd Grealish the other week, but not to be out done, their kissing cousins over in Fine Gael had a go.

FINE GAEL ELECTION candidate Verona Murphy has issued an apology over her comments suggesting asylum seekers coming to Ireland have to be “deprogrammed” as they may have been “infiltrated by ISIS”.

Murphy, a by-election candidate in Wexford and president of the Irish Road Haulage Association, made the comments speaking on RTɒs This Week Programme.
https://www.thejournal.ie/verona-murphy-apologises-4895323-Nov2019/

Not since FG'er Noel Coonan likening water metering protesters to ISIS have we had such nonsense.

Leo spoke to her and all is well. He told her stories about his granny getting money from abroad or something. She's now completed her corrective education.
If it's just a case of these people trying to get noticed that's shameful. If it's legitimate sentiment, rather than tow the party line, after being put back in their respective boxes, they should have the courage of their convictions to be open and honest with the electorate.

suicide_circus

what would you like see happen to her?

James Brown

suicide_circus wrote: »

what would you like see happen to her?

Nothing. It's good to be reminded about the kind of people Fine Gael have.
I'd like her to either completely withdraw the comments, (not choice of words) as a case of onset Alzheimers or come out and stand by it. Did you read my post?
We've enough problems from voting in people who say one thing but stand for another.

jimgoose

In what way is this a "dog whistle"? What is the coded message, and who is the "secret audience"? Or are people throwing yet another clever-dick phrase around without knowing what it means?

James Brown

jimgoose wrote: »

In what way is this a "dog whistle"? What is the coded message, and who is the "secret audience"? Or are people throwing yet another clever-dick phrase around without knowing what it means?

Personally I use terms to cut back on typing. Nothing nefarious.
Selling scaremongering, (trying to pull in the Casey demographic) like only wanting to be careful, IMO.
You can google these things.

jimgoose

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Personally I use terms to cut back on typing. Nothing nefarious.
Selling scaremongering, (trying to pull in the Casey demographic) like only wanting to be careful, IMO.
You can google these things.

I know what "these things" mean, that's the point. So what you're saying is she's sending a coded message, presumably on behalf of Fine Gael and the government, along the lines of "it's OK to dislike these pesky asylum seekers, 'cos they're ISIS types!" to that subgroup of people who supported Peter Casey that time because they're bigoted against travellers?

Annasopra

Remember she also claimed theres no homeless problem in Wexford

Still waters

Free speech Matt, unfortunately it works both ways leaving you to type such fcukin nonsense yourself

James Brown

Still waters wrote: »

Free speech Matt, unfortunately it works both ways leaving you to type such fcukin nonsense yourself

She can say what she likes, just have the balls to stand by it. Are you a fan of free bull**** to get attention?
You didn't read my post very well.

James Brown

jimgoose wrote: »

I know what "these things" mean, that's the point. So what you're saying is she's sending a coded message, presumably on behalf of Fine Gael and the government, along the lines of "it's OK to dislike these pesky asylum seekers, 'cos they're ISIS types!" to that subgroup of people who supported Peter Casey that time because they're bigoted against travellers?

No.

jimgoose

Matt Barrett wrote: »

No.

So she wasn't using a "dog whistle" technique to covertly summon the Lizard People, and is instead merely a normally reasonably decent woman putting her foot in it?

I would imagine Varadkar said something to her quietly along the lines of "For fuck sake V, you know you can't say things like that. Now don't do a Maria Bailey on it, stay off the bloody airwaves for a while!".

keano_afc

Meh. No different to A-yawn O'Riordain saying No voters in the marriage referendum needed to be "worked on".

Annasopra

jimgoose wrote: »

So she wasn't using a "dog whistle" technique to covertly summon the Lizard People, and is instead merely a normally reasonably decent woman putting her foot in it?

I would imagine Varadkar said something to her quietly along the lines of "For fuck sake V, you know you can't say things like that. Now don't do a Maria Bailey on it, stay off the bloody airwaves for a while!".

Normally reasonably decent woman?

You're having a laugh. She claimed a few months back there is no homeless problem in Wexford.

jimgoose

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Normally reasonably decent woman?

You're having a laugh. She claimed a few months back there is no homeless problem in Wexford.

What do you want to do, shoot her?? :pac:

Salary Negotiator

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Normally reasonably decent woman?

You're having a laugh. She claimed a few months back there is no homeless problem in Wexford.

She’s a horrible person.

Annasopra

jimgoose wrote: »

What do you want to do, shoot her?? :pac:

Maybe she could live in a homeless shelter for 6 months and in Courttown DP temporary for 6 months.

Then maybe she could be isis deprogrammed.

That might do.

Honestly I dont want to do anything to her. I just want to point out she isnt a "normally reasonable decent person" and she isnt fit for public office.

jimgoose

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Maybe she could live in a homeless shelter for 6 months and in Courttown DP temporary for 6 months.

Then maybe she could be isis deprogrammed.

That might do.

Honestly I dont want to do anything to her. I just want to point out she isnt a "normally reasonable decent person" and she isnt fit for public office.

Well, I personally think she's not the worst of them, but anyway the point I wanted to make was she is merely shooting her fool mouth off and not enaging in one of these new-fangled clever-dick American political buzzwords. "Dog whistle" indeed, FFS...

Annasopra

jimgoose wrote: »

Well, I personally think she's not the worst of them, but anyway the point I wanted to make was she is merely shooting her fool mouth off and not enaging in one of these new-fangled clever-dick American political buzzwords. "Dog whistle" indeed, FFS...

But this is now the third time she shot her mouth off.

She isnt a normally reasonable decent woman. She has claimed there's no homeless problem in Wexford and repeats without thinking alt right far right racist drivel.

You did not mishear her. Furthermore it was in the context of a declaration of support for the Oughterard protests.

Let’s get this clear. Amidst the various racist protests, Grealish, Lorraine Clifford-Lee, the candidacies of GO’D and of an openly anti-immigrant party in Wexford, a far right Dail rally in support of hate speech, the official Fine Gael candidate (the head of the hauliers organisation) has come out in support of the Oughterard protestors!

And she had her other soft racist remarks, broadcast on the flagship radio current affairs weekly on the national broadcaster.

James Brown

jimgoose wrote: »

Well, I personally think she's not the worst of them, but anyway the point I wanted to make was she is merely shooting her fool mouth off and not enaging in one of these new-fangled clever-dick American political buzzwords. "Dog whistle" indeed, FFS...

Something cocked your ears anyway

jimgoose

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

But this is now the third time she shot her mouth off.

She isnt a normally reasonable decent woman. She has claimed there's no homeless problem in Wexford and repeats without thinking alt right far right racist drivel.

You did not mishear her. Furthermore it was in the context of a declaration of support for the Oughterard protests.

Let’s get this clear. Amidst the various racist protests, Grealish, Lorraine Clifford-Lee, the candidacies of GO’D and of an openly anti-immigrant party in Wexford, a far right Dail rally in support of hate speech, the official Fine Gael candidate (the head of the hauliers organisation) has come out in support of the Oughterard protestors!

And she had her other soft racist remarks, broadcast on the flagship radio current affairs weekly on the national broadcaster.

Yes, I know all that. But it wasn't a "dog whistle" tactic.

James Brown

jimgoose wrote: »

Yes, I know all that. But it wasn't a "dog whistle" tactic.

She was either stirring for attention from the 'they took our jobs even though they don't want to work lobby' or has backed down on her belief based on Leo having a word. One of these is true IMO.

Still waters

Matt Barrett wrote: »

She can say what she likes, just have the balls to stand by it. Are you a fan of free bull**** to get attention?
You didn't read my post very well.

I read your post, its drivel, she apologises and she's still wrong, what exactly is your point you're trying to make

jackboy

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Let’s get this clear. Amidst the various racist protests, Grealish, Lorraine Clifford-Lee, the candidacies of GO’D and of an openly anti-immigrant party in Wexford, a far right Dail rally in support of hate speech, the official Fine Gael candidate (the head of the hauliers organisation) has come out in support of the Oughterard protestors!

Ah yes, Oughterard, the new far right racist hellhole of Ireland. New holiday destination for the racists of Europe.

Or not.

jimgoose

Matt Barrett wrote: »

She was either stirring for attention from the 'they took our jobs even though they don't want to work lobby' or has backed down on her belief based on Leo having a word. One of these is true IMO.

Was she not talking about the folk in Direct Provision? Anyway, I gave my theory on Leo's exact words to her earlier on!

James Brown

jimgoose wrote: »

Was she not talking about the folk in Direct Provision? Anyway, I gave my theory on Leo's exact words to her earlier on!

Read like all asylum seekers needing vetting and deprogramming as they might be ISIS. The topic was direct provision.
Be nice to be dodging bombs supplied by the west, getting shot at by both sides and making your way to Ireland to be deprogrammed as a member of one of the groups you left to get away from.

James Brown

Still waters wrote: »

I read your post, its drivel, she apologises and she's still wrong, what exactly is your point you're trying to make

You should read it again.
I'm saying she should stand by it or retract the entire thing not try edit it to suit Leo's PR.
Her opinion is as valid as yours or mine, we just might not know what her opinion actually is.

blanch152

I suppose the Maria Bailey issue has run out of road and Denis O'Brien hasn't won any contracts in the last six months, so the permanently outraged about FG need to have something to give out about, so here we go on the roundabout of the politics of the latest atrocity.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

I suppose the Maria Bailey issue has run out of road and Denis O'Brien hasn't won any contracts in the last six months, so the permanently outraged about FG need to have something to give out about, so here we go on the roundabout of the politics of the latest atrocity.

Is that a rabbit hole to drag off topic and defend Fine Gael, while offering no opinion yourself on topic?
Gas man Blanch.

Still waters

Matt Barrett wrote: »

You should read it again.
I'm saying she should stand by it or retract the entire thing not try edit it to suit Leo's PR.
Her opinion is as valid as yours or mine, we just might not know what her opinion actually is.

Maybe she believes in what she's saying and doesn't want to retract it, she's suiting Leo's PR to suit those who offend easily on behalf of others like yourself and the parrot

James Brown

Still waters wrote: »

Maybe she believes in what she's saying and doesn't want to retract it, she's suiting Leo's PR to suit those who offend easily on behalf of others like yourself and the parrot

Nope. Not offended myself. You should re-read my OP. You assume I am because you can then give out. I agree with you. You are basically re-posting the OP. I say she should pick a stance and stick with it so we know what we're getting.

blanch152

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Is that a rabbit hole to drag off topic and defend Fine Gael, while offering no opinion yourself on topic?
Gas man Blanch.

The whole thread is a meaningless rabbit hole.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

The whole thread is a meaningless rabbit hole.

Okay Blanch

Still waters

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Nope. Not offended myself. You should re-read my OP. You assume I am because you can then give out. I agree with you. You are basically re-posting the OP. I say she should pick a stance and stick with it so we know what we're getting.

Read your own op, you're only talking scutter

The Satanist

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Read like all asylum seekers needing vetting and deprogramming as they might be ISIS.

Seems like a reasonable condition of granting asylum.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/dec/02/islamic-state-recruiters-targeting-refugees-in-europe-counter-terror-experts-warn

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Be nice to be dodging bombs supplied by the west, getting shot at by both sides and making your way to Ireland to be deprogrammed as a member of one of the groups you left to get away from.

Tell us more about the wars in Albania, Georgia, etc. There's very little info on the Google, surprisingly.

McMurphy

Still waters wrote: »

Maybe she believes in what she's saying and doesn't want to retract it, she's suiting Leo's PR to suit those who offend easily on behalf of others like yourself and the parrot

Isn't that pretty much what the whole point of the op is tbh?

Leo spoke to her and all is well. He told her stories about his granny getting money from abroad or something. She's now completed her corrective education.
If it's just a case of these people trying to get noticed that's shameful. If it's legitimate sentiment, rather than tow the party line, after being put back in their respective boxes, they should have the courage of their convictions to be open and honest with the electorate.

So you apparently read the OP, reworded it slightly while retaining the sentiments, and then accuse the op of scutter

Still waters wrote: »

Read your own op, you're only talking scutter

STB.

https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/irish-examiner/20190209/281638191457507

Beechwoodspark

My two cents-

Verona Murphy was out of her depth the minute she started commenting on non haulage industry issues

STB.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

My two cents-

Verona Murphy was out of her depth the minute she started commenting on non haulage industry issues

And not like there is any connection between foreigners and hauliers.... oh wait.


Between that and the ridiculous statements on homeless and addictions and then drink driving, Verona has the trifecta up in the madness stakes. Then goes to an asylum centre and changes her mind.


A little out of her depth.

James Brown

STB. wrote: »

https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/irish-examiner/20190209/281638191457507

My suspicion is she's using asylum seekers to raise her profile, what ever her genuine thoughts may be.

James Brown

STB. wrote: »

Did you read that article I linked. The lad in the WRC didn't seem happy with what went on.

I didn't know a lot about the woman until I started googling.

Having said all that, the quality of the candidates down this way are piss poor.

I did. It gives insight to the character.

realitykeeper

I am sure Miss Murphy is a lovely lady. My view on migrants coming to our shores is that they are not the problem. The problem is the minimum wage.

Galwayguy35

She could have phrased it better but I don't see why it's a topic that shouldn't be discussed.

Migrants seem to be some kind of taboo subject in this country with everyone afraid to say some of them might be ISIS sympathisers.

James Brown

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

She could have phrased it better but I don't see why it's a topic that shouldn't be discussed.

Migrants seem to be some kind of taboo subject in this country with everyone afraid to say some of them might be ISIS sympathisers.

For me it's that she seemed to have a strong concern about the ISIS element and then was willing to step back when Leo chimed in. Leo doesn't want to rock the boat I'd imagine.

Galwayguy35

Matt Barrett wrote: »

For me it's that she seemed to have a strong concern about the ISIS element and then was willing to step back when Leo chimed in. Leo doesn't want to rock the boat I'd imagine.

I'd say she got a bollocking behind the scenes and was told to change her tune.

suicide_circus

Matt Barrett wrote: »

My suspicion is she's using asylum seekers to raise her profile

mission accomplished

Galwayguy35

It's going to be discussed on The Tonight Show @11pm on TV3, will be interesting to see what they have to say about it.

Snow Garden

Tonight show saying she did it for votes and that its going down well in Wexford.
Jaysus this Healy Ray lad seems drunk.
Will be interesting to see how she polls.
There seems to be a big right wing vote out there.

Geuze

I doubt many AS are linked to ISIS?

As most AS come are Asian men travelling from the UK, Albanians, Georgians, and other from "safe countries".

Still waters

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Isn't that pretty much what the whole point of the op is tbh?



So you apparently read the OP, reworded it slightly while retaining the sentiments, and then accuse the op of scutter

The op struggles to remain impartial although they pretend that it doesn't bother them, only a fool cant read between the lines

Harry Palmr

Wexford has a rather shameful history in this regard - remember Fethard On Sea!

Chris_Heilong

There is no need for any deprogramming, If an asylum seeker is proven to have any links to ISIS at all I would hope if not expect their application for asylum to fail and for them to exit the state asap.