Ableist ?????

glenfieldman

Dont get me wrong Sinéad Burke is an amazing lady and inspiration for everyone to look up to, but is there anything people cannot get offended by ?

Westernyelp

glenfieldman wrote:

Dont get me wrong Sinéad Burke is an amazing lady and inspiration for everyone to look up to, but is there anything people cannot get offended by ?

Care to expand on this?

glenfieldman

Westernyelp wrote: »

Care to expand on this?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fianna-fil-senators-tweet-about-black-brazilian-dwarf-was-ableist-campaigner-sinad-burke-38697440.html

Eric Cartman

Theres so many new ‘ists’ in the lexicon , pay no heed, just more of the professionally outraged. Twitter and the op ed section of papers are just full of the professionally outraged now.

AlekSmart

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Theres so many new ‘ists’ in the lexicon , pay no heed, just more of the professionally outraged. Twitter and the op ed section of papers are just full of the professionally outraged now.

Professional,is probably the key.

Sinead is doing well at the oul interviewing,irrespective of what Fianna Fáil might do.....:)

http://www.westwoodonepodcasts.com/pods/as-me-with-sinead/

suicide_circus

there are an ever increasing number of professional advocates for various causes and identities. always follow the money.

Chris_Heilong

Infrastructure to make people with handicaps that prevent them from living a normal life is good however do not stat demanding normal people need to change drastically. This goes for all these woke minority concepts.

AndrewJRenko

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Infrastructure to make people with handicaps that prevent them from living a normal life is good however do not stat demanding normal people need to change drastically. This goes for all these woke minority concepts.

So when you say 'change drastically', would you consider not suggesting that other people are not 'normal' as being a drastic change? Or how about not using offensive and dated terminology like 'handicaps' - would that be drastic too?

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Theres so many new ‘ists’ in the lexicon , pay no heed, just more of the professionally outraged. Twitter and the op ed section of papers are just full of the professionally outraged now.

Or you could just follow the boards.ie rule of 'don't be a dick'. If you're not being a dick, you won't find many people getting outraged.

paw patrol

gotta keep attention on your issue keeps the grant money/donation/appearance money coming in.
Applies not only to Sinead Burke but to all campaigning types.
Especially important to get your hands on those government grants.

AndrewJRenko

paw patrol wrote: »

gotta keep attention on your issue keeps the grant money/donation/appearance money coming in.
Applies not only to Sinead Burke but to all campaigning types.
Especially important to get your hands on those government grants.

What grant money/donation/government grants has Sinead Burke received?

alan partridge aha

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So when you say 'change drastically', would you consider not suggesting that other people are not 'normal' as being a drastic change? Or how about not using offensive and dated terminology like 'handicaps' - would that be drastic too?



Or you could just follow the boards.ie rule of 'don't be a dick'. If you're not being a dick, you won't find many people getting outraged.

Take your own advice stop labelling people with offensive terminology.

AndrewJRenko

alan partridge aha wrote: »

Take your own advice stop labelling people with offensive terminology.

Have the dicks on this site got a campaign going to not be called dicks or something?

Westernyelp

This thread makes no sense. I'm out

ThunbergsAreGo

What if there was a black Brazilian dwarf?

Chris_Heilong

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So when you say 'change drastically', would you consider not suggesting that other people are not 'normal' as being a drastic change? Or how about not using offensive and dated terminology like 'handicaps' - would that be drastic too?



Or you could just follow the boards.ie rule of 'don't be a dick'. If you're not being a dick, you won't find many people getting outraged.

Seems you follow the beat of someone else drum, why be so willing to keep changing speech because someone in America has deemed it 'problematic', the majority should be respected, minorities of all kinds are not as important in society, not to ignore them completely as I said before about infrastructure and such but a few people out there have a skewed view on this. The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few.

glenfieldman

Westernyelp wrote: »

This thread makes no sense. I'm out

Nobody asked you to contribute

Still waters

Wss he black ?
Was he a dwarf ?
Was he Brazilian ?

It could be a very accurate description of the wee man

AndrewJRenko

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Seems you follow the beat of someone else drum, why be so willing to keep changing speech because someone in America has deemed it 'problematic', the majority should be respected, minorities of all kinds are not as important in society, not to ignore them completely as I said before about infrastructure and such but a few people out there have a skewed view on this. The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few.

Why would 'the many' need to refer to people as 'handicapped' instead of 'people with disabilities' or 'disabled people'.



Are you saying that people with disabilities are less important than other people?

AndrewJRenko

glenfieldman wrote: »

Nobody asked you to contribute

No-one asked anyone to contribute.

AndrewJRenko

Still waters wrote: »

Wss he black ?
Was he a dwarf ?
Was he Brazilian ?

It could be a very accurate description of the wee man

The term 'dwarf' is generally recognised as causing offence to people with dwarfism. Here's a decent explanation from the Little People of Ireland about term 'midget', which has similar impact.


http://www.lpi.ie/lpi-themword/

Irish Guitarist

Most people are going to find a black Brazilian dwarf with ginger hair noteworthy. You can demand people remove their tweets all you like but you can't change human nature.

Has Sinead Burke genuinely never seen someone with something weird about their appearance and laughed? If she saw someone like this in the street would she really not comment on it later to her friends?

Still waters

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

The term 'dwarf' is generally recognised as causing offence to people with dwarfism. Here's a decent explanation from the Little People of Ireland about term 'midget', which has similar impact.


http://www.lpi.ie/lpi-themword/

Do they call their condition dwarfism ? If they do i can't see what they've got to be upset about

Chris_Heilong

Still waters wrote: »

Do they call their condition dwarfism ? If they do i can't see what they've got to be upset about

It is not the people with Dwarfism getting offended, it is the "regular sized" busybodies who take offense on other peoples behalf and actually convince the would be victim that they should be offended. You will find these people that are some of the most bigoted unhappy people going and they are trying to balance things out by doing something "good".

AndrewJRenko

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Most people are going to find a black Brazilian dwarf with ginger hair noteworthy. You can demand people remove their tweets all you like but you can't change human nature.

Has Sinead Burke genuinely never seen someone with something weird about their appearance and laughed?

This may come as a surprise to you, but there are lots of people, probably most people, who have never laughed at someone's appearance on the street.

Still waters wrote: »

Do they call their condition dwarfism ? If they do i can't see what they've got to be upset about

They don't get to choose medical terminology. They do, or at least they should, get to choose personal labels.

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

It is not the people with Dwarfism getting offended, it is the "regular sized" busybodies who take offense on other peoples behalf and actually convince the would be victim that they should be offended.

Have you met Sinead, or do you know anything about her?


And please don't forget to come back to my questions when you have a minute.

Still waters

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

They don't get to choose medical terminology. They do, or at least they should, get to choose personal labels.

Ok, ill stick with the medical terminology, in general terms its perfectly fine to call them dwarfs, in personal terms ill stick to calling anyone i meet by their first name

AndrewJRenko

Still waters wrote: »

Ok, ill stick with the medical terminology, in general terms its perfectly fine to call them dwarfs, in personal terms ill stick to calling anyone i meet by their first name

Dwarfism is a medical term. Dwarf is not a medical term. Dwarf is a term of abuse that causes great offence. This has been pointed out to you now, and you are choosing to deliberately continue to use it presumably because of sheer pigheadedness.

suicide_circus

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

The term 'dwarf' is generally recognised as causing offence to people with dwarfism. Here's a decent explanation from the Little People of Ireland about term 'midget', which has similar impact.


http://www.lpi.ie/lpi-themword/

I would see "little people" as potentially problematic in Ireland. Darby O'Gill etc

Still waters

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Dwarfism is a medical term. Dwarf is not a medical term. Dwarf is a term of abuse that causes great offence. This has been pointed out to you now, and you are choosing to deliberately continue to use it presumably because of sheer pigheadedness.

Its not a big jump to shorten (snigger) dwarfism to dwarf

AndrewJRenko

suicide_circus wrote: »

I would see "little people" as potentially problematic in Ireland. Darby O'Gill etc

If you talk to little people themselves, they are generally happy with it as their representative organisation confirms. Sinead Burke got 'duine bheag' added to some official Irish dictionary recently.

Still waters wrote: »

Its not a big jump to shorten (snigger) dwarfism to dwarf

Except that it is, and coming up with derogatory terms for people with certain types of disabilities isn't really something to snigger about.

Still waters

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Except that it is, and coming up with derogatory terms for people with certain types of disabilities isn't really something to snigger about.

Is dwarfism a disability ? i know if i was a dwarf I'd be more offended by the presumption i was disabled rather than the term most commonly used to describe me, maybe its people like you who feel offended for the "little people" that blow things like this out of proportion. By the way, the term little people is in my opinion a far more derogatory/patronising term, you might as well pat them on the back and tell them what great little men and women they are.

kowloon

Black Brazilian dwarf sounds like the start of a great story, I'm a little disappointed.

Mrs OBumble

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If you talk to little people themselves, they are generally happy with it as their representative organisation confirms.

They may be.

But what do the genuine leprechauns think of having their name most-used.

AndrewJRenko

Still waters wrote: »

Is dwarfism a disability ? i know if i was a dwarf I'd be more offended by the presumption i was disabled rather than the term most commonly used to describe me, maybe its people like you who feel offended for the "little people" that blow things like this out of proportion.

Yes, it would generally meet the definitions of Disability in the Disability Act or the Equal Status Acts;


http://www.lpi.ie/dwarfism-awareness/

Still waters wrote: »

By the way, the term little people is in my opinion a far more derogatory/patronising term, you might as well pat them on the back and tell them what great little men and women they are.

It's their term, not my term. So similar to otherwise derogatory terms like queer, dyke, n-i-g-g-e-r, crip, it has been claimed as preferred term by many people with dwarfism.

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

They may be.

But what do the genuine leprechauns think of having their name most-used.

Why don't you ask a genuine leprechaun the next time you're chatting to one?

Irish Guitarist

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

This may come as a surprise to you, but there are lots of people, probably most people, who have never laughed at someone's appearance on the street.

It doesn't come as a surprise to me, no. I never mentioned laughing at people in the street.

AndrewJRenko

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

It doesn't come as a surprise to me, no. I never mentioned laughing at people in the street.

So where do you do the laughing at people's 'weird' appearances then? At the back of the bike sheds at school perhaps?

Your Face

"Black Brazilian dwarf"

I genuinely lolled.

Oh of course it's terrible...twitter...diversity..white people etc.

Irish Guitarist

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So where do you do the laughing at people's 'weird' appearances then? At the back of the bike sheds at school perhaps?

Jesus, you're witty. You really got me there.

I guess you've never seen a single person in real life, on television or anywhere else whose appearance amused you. Congratulations on being an angel.

AndrewJRenko

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Jesus, you're witty. You really got me there.

I guess you've never seen a single person in real life, on television or anywhere else whose appearance amused you. Congratulations on being an angel.

The bar is pretty low around here, isn't it. If you don't laugh at other people's appearance, you're some kind of hero?



Do most adults really go round laughing at the appearance of people with certain disabilities or conditions?

Chris_Heilong

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

The bar is pretty low around here, isn't it. If you don't laugh at other people's appearance, you're some kind of hero?



Do most adults really go round laughing at the appearance of people with certain disabilities or conditions?

I think that most people would not even think of making fun of people like that, I would say pity is the first thing they think which is a shame but it is human nature.