National school opening times

3 the square

Hi what time do national schools open the door in the morning mind doesn't open till 8 55 and the start time is 9 is that a standard time??

Mundo7976

Yes

whelan2

Drop off time from 8.40 school starts at 8.50. Kids were being dropped off way earlier with no supervision so thems the rules now

ruwithme

3 the square wrote: »

Hi what time do national schools open the door in the morning mind doesn't open till 8 55 and the start time is 9 is that a standard time??

Ours opens doors at 9.05, school starts at 9.20.

TheValeyard

Too many parents using time before school like a creche and legal action if a child falls. Things had to change. Lot of schools now, children will wait outside the gates until 5-10 minutes before classes begin.

closifer

Ours starts at 8.40 and supervised drop off from 8.30

3 the square

Would it be reasonable if I ask the principal to open the door at 8 45 ?? There is several staff members there at that time.

whelan2

3 the square wrote: »

Would it be reasonable if I ask the principal to open the door at 8 45 ?? There is several staff members there at that time.

Ours have to queue up outside in their class lines unless it's raining . It's all to do with supervision.

TheValeyard

3 the square wrote: »

Would it be reasonable if I ask the principal to open the door at 8 45 ?? There is several staff members there at that time.

They might be unwilling to do extra unpaid work on top of a heavy workload.

3 the square

whelan2 wrote: »

Ours have to queue up outside in their class lines unless it's raining . It's all to do with supervision.

And what do they do if it's raining??

Millem

3 the square wrote: »

Would it be reasonable if I ask the principal to open the door at 8 45 ?? There is several staff members there at that time.

No don’t ask. Ask another poster said it is all to do with supervision.

whelan2

3 the square wrote: »

And what do they do if it's raining??

If it's raining they walk to their own class. Teacher might or might not be there. He's in 6th class mow so wouldn't really need supervision

Rodin

School doors should be open well before 9

khalessi

3 the square wrote: »

Would it be reasonable if I ask the principal to open the door at 8 45 ?? There is several staff members there at that time.

Teachers generally come in early before school starts to prepare for the day, photocopy and gather together necessary resources, correct work or carry out other organisational matters.

3 the square

Millem wrote: »

No don’t ask. Ask another poster said it is all to do with supervision.

A friend of mine school opens at 20 to 9 for 9 o'clock start
School in next village opens at 8 45 at the latest for 9 start
It must be down to the principal other schools must have same issue with insurance and supervision

ruwithme

3 the square wrote: »

Would it be reasonable if I ask the principal to open the door at 8 45 ?? There is several staff members there at that time.

Ask away. sure they can only say no..is there a parents association you could raise it there first as i doubt your alone in thinking about it.

changes are always enevitable

wirelessdude01

3 the square wrote: »

Would it be reasonable if I ask the principal to open the door at 8 45 ?? There is several staff members there at that time.

No

km79

I was driving past the bank this morning as usual
Seen some staff inside
They don’t open at that time but it would suit me better if they would
Wonder should I go in and ask ..........
The doctors surgery closes 15 minutes before I get home too
Wonder if i should ask could they change their opening hours for mess well
Would ye think it’s reasonable ?

ruwithme

km79 wrote: »

I was driving past the bank this morning as usual
Seen some staff inside
They don’t open at that time but it would suit me better if they would
Wonder should I go in and ask ..........
The doctors surgery closes 15 minutes before I get home too
Wonder if i should ask could they change their opening hours for mess well
Would ye think it’s reasonable ?

You won't know unless you ask.tell them everyone else in society is thinking the same as yourself.otherwise the decision making authorities in charge will remain ignorant to everyday realities of life.

Bingoo1

Not sure about the city schools.......but most small country schools now cater for the working mother who has to travel a distance to work and need to drop her child a bit earlier to school. If the school doesn't provide this facility - mothers will enrole their child in another school.

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Bingoo1 wrote: »

Not sure about the city schools.......but most small country schools now cater for the working mother who has to travel a distance to work and need to drop her child a bit earlier to school. If the school doesn't provide this facility - mothers will enrole their child in another school

Do these country children have any fathers at all?

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3 the square wrote: »

Would it be reasonable if I ask the principal to open the door at 8 45 ?? There is several staff members there at that time.

Sure if you are willing to pay for the supervision service before school. Some schools offer this as well as after school care.

Bingoo1

Well, that debate is for another day

whelan2

Bingoo1 wrote: »

Not sure about the city schools.......but most small country schools now cater for the working mother who has to travel a distance to work and need to drop her child a bit earlier to school. If the school doesn't provide this facility - mothers will enrole their child in another school.

I think most schools hours have changed ours used to start at 9 30 when I went there. Then changed to 9.10. Now starts at 8.50

khalessi

Can you not leave your child into a childminding service that can drop to school at appropriate hour or just stay with your child? Teachers actually have their own work to be doing before school.

wirelessdude01

Bingoo1 wrote: »

Not sure about the city schools.......but most small country schools now cater for the working mother who has to travel a distance to work and need to drop her child a bit earlier to school. If the school doesn't provide this facility - mothers will enrole their child in another school.

As if. There isn't a choice in most country areas

km79

whelan2 wrote: »

I think most schools hours have changed ours used to start at 9 30 when I went there. Then changed to 9.10. Now starts at 8.50

That no good to the OP
Needs to be 845 .........
And that’s the point
Let’s say the school did agree to this one mothers request (because apparently fathers like me do not have any role in this) and moves it back to 845
That may be 15 minutes too late for another parent
Can they then ask for an 830 start ?
I really hope people can see how nonsensical and unreasonable this is ............as I said you can’t go around asking banks, doctors, shops Etc to kpen to suit you but as always there is a different expectations of schools and teachers .

As for the “what if it’s raining “ question from the OP. I believe the OP may have a farm so I’m now questioning if this thread is just a wind up. I nearly hope it is

Now that’s it from me . I’ve to drop the kids to the bank on the way to work . School doesn’t open on time but I’m sure the bank manager will take them in for an hour. Sure he is there anyway.

_Brian

Bingoo1 wrote: »

Not sure about the city schools.......but most small country schools now cater for the working mother who has to travel a distance to work and need to drop her child a bit earlier to school. If the school doesn't provide this facility - mothers will enrole their child in another school.

We both work and I drop the kids to school most mornings, as do many fathers, because, ya know, we’re parents too.

National school yard is supervised from 8:50 with school opening at 9:10. They ask not to drop kids before that because it’s unsupervised and as it was out they are not a child minding service.

Usually kids in the yard from 8:35, I usually drop my daughter there at 8:50 amd there would be maybe 40 kids there. If I drop her earlier I’ll wait in the carpark, as do maybe three other parents, until I see someone out on supervision.

km79

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

As if. There isn't a choice in most country areas

3 the square wrote: »

A friend of mine school opens at 20 to 9 for 9 o'clock start
School in next village opens at 8 45 at the latest for 9 start
It must be down to the principal other schools must have same issue with insurance and supervision

Luckily for the OP she appears to have a choice in the next village that suits her specific 845am start

Hannibal_Smith

With our school, the doors open at 9.20, school starts at 9.30. It's quite late and it is a bit awkward when it comes to drop off and work, but at the other end of the scale it takes the heat off rush hour a bit. Most of the cars are gone before the school run starts.

If its raining we're told not to bring the kids to school until 9.30.

Parents are constantly reminded to not drop and go, that before 9.30 the kids aren't the school's responsibility. Its nice if you can manage to drop your kids to school, but with later starts it is tricky.

Anyway a lot of the time you'll see kids arriving at 9.10, these are non working parents whose child wants to be first in the line. Rain, hail or shine, they'll be there queuing for 20 mins before school starts. I reckon if the school opened the doors at 9.10, they'd be lining up at 8.50am. So teachers can't win.

Sometimes teachers head in early because their commute dictates if they don't get there early, they'll be late. I'd often get to work earlier than my start time, but I have a cup of coffee and a chat in the kitchen before I start. It's a lovely way to settle in to the day. I'd hate if my boss twigged and moved my start time to when I got in.

amor3

My kids school starts at 8.45 with supervision from 8.30 in the yard or hall if raining. You can also avail of a breakfast club service (fee) starting from 7.30.

kippy

Some schools offer paid and supervised pre and afterschool clubs and this is starting to become the norm as parents will make decisions on schools, if they have a decision to make, based on these things.

Otherwise I think it completely illogical to expect teachers to supervise kids pre school start times to suit parents as all parents will demand different requirements.

Most of the issues with this are down to insurance cover - insurance will not cover the school.

salmocab

My oldest starts next year and the school we’re hoping to get into starts at 8:30 and opens the doors at 8:10. It would really suit us.

wirelessdude01

amor3 wrote: »

My kids school starts at 8.45 with supervision from 8.30 in the yard or hall if raining. You can also avail of a breakfast club service (fee) starting from 7.30.

Is there a charge and if so how much?

3 the square

My sister school open at 845 for 9 start school in next village starts opens at 8 40 for 9 start my friend school opens at 8 20 for 9 start
All these schools have same issues as insurance and supervision I'm sure.

amor3

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Is there a charge and if so how much?

Yes there is a charge, its is dependent on each individual families income.

3 the square

3 the square wrote: »

Hi what time do national schools open the door in the morning mind doesn't open till 8 55 and the start time is 9 is that a standard time??

There's no way a whole school of children are seated, coats off, books out and settled down in 5 minutes for 9.

The teacher is not teaching from 9am. Shortens the teaching day a bit more for the staff I suppose.

cms88

TheValeyard wrote: »

They might be unwilling to do extra unpaid work on top of a heavy workload.

There's no might be about it. My local school dont open until 9.30 with teachers showing up at about 9.25!

km79

cms88 wrote: »

There's no might be about it. My local school dont open until 9.30 with teachers showing up at about 9.25!

5 minutes early for work
For shame

cms88

km79 wrote: »

5 minutes early for work
For shame

Well we're led to think they're doing all this extra work before work etc

whelan2

In fairness very few arrive 5 minutes before start time

khalessi

cms88 wrote: »

Well we're led to think they're doing all this extra work before work etc

A lot do. And they also stay long after teaching day finishes

km79

cms88 wrote: »

Well we're led to think they're doing all this extra work before work etc

I’m sure some do some dont
Like every other profession ?
But there is not an expectation that every nurse , doctor, bank official SHOULD be there before work to suit other people’s childcare needs ?

The father above nailed it
He and 3 other PARENTS wait until the designated time to leave their children under supervision
At that stage to quite him there are 40 kids there
With no parental supervision
Passing responsibility on to whom?

whelan2

km79 wrote: »

I’m sure some do some dont
Like every other profession ?
But there is not an expectation that every nurse , doctor, bank official SHOULD be there before work to suit other people’s childcare needs ?

The father above nailed it
He and 3 other PARENTS wait until the designated time to leave their children under supervision
At that stage to quite him there are 40 kids there
With no parental supervision
Passing responsibility on to whom?

The parents who drop their kids know this is the story. Obviously they haven't time to wait with their kids.

AulWan

9:30 is a ridiculously late starting time. If I still had children of primary school age, I would be unable to send them to a school that started that late, as I would have to commute to work afterwards. In dublin traffic, I'd be lucky to be at my desk by 11am!

The fact is these days in a lot of families, both parents work and not all jobs have flexible start times. So parents are going to ask.

Teachers have kids too, how do they manage if they have to be in school for 9 o'clock, but their own kid's school doesn't open until after 9am?
There should really be a standard start time for all schools, across the board.

km79

whelan2 wrote: »

The parents who drop their kids know this is the story. Obviously they haven't time to wait with their kids.

That’s my point

Toto Wolfcastle

AulWan wrote: »

There should really be a standard start time for all schools, across the board.

That doesn't work in areas with more than one school. There are 4 primary schools and one secondary school on a road near me (it would take only a few minutes to drive the entire road in light traffic so it's not that long) and they need to stagger the starting times in order to avoid traffic chaos.

Salary Negotiator

AulWan wrote: »

9:30 is a ridiculously late starting time. If I still had children of primary school age, I would be unable to send them to a school that started that late, as I would have to commute to work afterwards. In dublin traffic, I'd be lucky to be at my desk by 11am!

The fact is these days in a lot of families, both parents work and not all jobs have flexible start times. So parents are going to ask.

Teachers have kids too, how do they manage if they have to be in school for 9 o'clock, but their own kid's school doesn't open until after 9am?
There should really be a standard start time for all schools, across the board.

The teacher's kids probably go to the same school, at least in primary school. And staggered start times help alleviate congestion.

cms88

khalessi wrote: »

A lot do. And they also stay long after teaching day finishes

School is empty and locked by 3.30! Not saying that's the case everywhere though

AulWan

9:30 is still a ridiculously late start time. I don't buy the congestion excuse for staggered start times.

Any school that has a start time that late must have the presumption that every child has at least one parent at home who doesn't have a job to go to themselves after drop off, or that every one who does works locally.

(eta) If congestion is used as an excuse, then schools should open earlier rather then later, with opening times staggered between 8am and 9am with the latest allowed starting time of 9am.

khalessi

AulWan wrote: »

9:30 is still a ridiculously late start time. I don't buy the congestion excuse for staggered start times.

Any school that has a start time that late must have the presumption that every child has at least one parent at home who doesn't have a job to go to themselves after drop off, or that every one who does works locally.

(eta) If congestion is used as an excuse, then schools should open earlier rather then later, with opening times staggered between 8am and 9am with the latest allowed starting time of 9am.

Opening times have to be discussed with road traffic authority in regards to traffic congestion and health and safety