old loyalties, reconsideration.

Stoner

Ok, just wondering about a few views on how some people defended different technology, that they now have changed their minds about

Not so much a VHS vs Batamax


But I remember defending my 48K+ spectrum and saying it was superior to the C64.

I did the same with Sega mega drives versus SNES, always preferred the megadrive, but looking back I shouldn't have.

Atari ST vs Amiga was more complicated as Sts had a second coming.

Anyone else unashamedly defend an interior bit of kit versus a superior one ?

Can't be a living thing, partners don't count.

No Sindy vs Barby either ciderman.

Sparks43

On the three examples you gave.

Spectrum vs C64 is a dead heat

SNES vs Megadrive is close. For me it’s snes but definitely a case for the megadrive

And although the amiga is the superior I wouldn’t have been upset as a kid with the ST


I’ve been on this site for many years and have met so many wonderful people.

But a little warning

If anyone dares try and infer that Repton is superior to Boulder Dash then I will hunt you down and bludgeon you to death with a big rock

o1s1n

Megadrive has a Motorola 68000 processor running at 7.68mhz.

SNES varied between 3.58mhz and 2.68mhz.

All I'm sayin' :pac:

Retr0gamer

But mode 7 and those pastel colours!

I was a megadrive fanboy myself but was always so envious of the snes. I loved mario games and there was nothino close on the megadrive. I was also a massive capcom and konami game fan. I was delighted when konami started making games for the system. Always wanted a snes.

I also really wanted a Saturn when that gen launched but by the time resident evil came out there was only one clear winner.

After that I never engaged with console wars. Was happy to seek.out and own everything.

o1s1n

o1s1n wrote: »

Megadrive has a Motorola 68000 processor running at 7.68mhz.

SNES varied between 3.58mhz and 2.68mhz.

All I'm sayin' :pac:

I'm all about the blast processing too.
Megadrive 4 life

CiDeRmAn

Spectrum was my team in the computer wars of the early 80's
When it came to the PS/Sat/N64 I just rotated through them before owning them all.
While the Snes was and is amazing, I probably loved the Shmups on the MD more than the content on the Snes.

o1s1n

I was a fervent defender of the Megadrive and it being better than the Super Nintendo back in the day.

Although the height of those playground arguments generally boiled down to which console had more games with blood and gore. As an 8 year old kid who loved the Terminator and Aliens, distancing myself as far as possible from 'kiddie' things was very important.

Secretly, I was really jealous that my cousin had a Snes with ALTTP. I played it in his house in snippets every time I went over but never got to sit through it properly until well into the PS1 generation.

Retr0gamer

The SNES never had Gunstar Heroes. The greatest 6/10 game ever.

KeRbDoG

While we hold old flames for platforms of the past, inside we know of their good points and flaws compared to the competition of the time but when we didn't have enough pennies to also purchase the other platforms of the time we all fought to state we (or our parents) made the right choice at the time.
I did get an Atari 2600 Jr. one Christmas, don't think there was a playground discussion around games at the time though.

CiDeRmAn

I think the world had moved on, at the time they bought that....

KeRbDoG

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I think the world had moved on, at the time they bought that....

It did, I didn't notice was with me for a short time and I think I swapped it for a electric car race track thing

Retr0gamer

Retr0gamer wrote: »

The SNES never had Gunstar Heroes. The greatest 6/10 game ever.

BITD my cousin swapped Eternal champions for Gunstar Heroes with his neighbour

o1s1n

BrownFinger wrote: »

BITD my cousin swapped Eternal champions for Gunstar Heroes with his neighbour

Haha ah jaysus, the poor lad!

Once I picked out Ballz 3D: Battle of the Ballz for my main birthday pressie. Had to convince myself that it was a good game

Dr Bob

Retr0gamer wrote: »

The SNES never had Gunstar Heroes. The greatest 6/10 game ever.

Or Streets of Rage , the best, most loved , hated worst game on A&R

Dr Bob

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Spectrum was my team in the computer wars of the early 80's
When it came to the PS/Sat/N64 I just rotated through them before owning them all.
While the Snes was and is amazing, I probably loved the Shmups on the MD more than the content on the Snes.

Yeah I was team Commodore back then (well after team Atari8* died)
At the time i never could understand why people raved over colour clashy , rubber keyboard controlled games ,
Although as a collector I've come to like a lot of Spectrum games , and can see that to Speccy fans eyes my classics were a mud brown pastelled blocky mess.
C64 still always sounded better though!


(*and it was a better machine than both , if only it had been cheaper , and had more support gaming history would have been a lot different!)

Stoner

Points about game count are flying around alright

For me the fights were around the following

Sprites and how many colours a spectrum had vs the C64.

And the need for an interface and double interface on a spectrum

I still remember my friend laughing when he saw how you had to stop the tape deck on the spectrum.

The joystick set up was poxy on the spectrum too. The mapping of the keyboard didn't always work out.

But I still said the spectrum was better, even though the C64 could talk!!

The spectrum was more playable apparently.

Looking back I don't know how I held the line.

I loved the MD the 6 buttons controller for SF2 was the deciding factor for me, I never really liked the SNES controller.

I think it's my shift in game choice rather than the HW, I was not a massive Mario fan, but like them now.


N64 vs PS1 was a good one too.

Quigs Snr

I could never understand how anyone could choose Spectrum over C64. Although I did grow to appreciate the spectrum much later.. mostly as a result of the RARE Replay compilation on xbox. As for the amstrad.. well my one of the local lads (Keith Barry) had one and we used to go over there to play Cobra (Stallone movie license) ... which was great... and that made the disappointment of the C64 version being a different game and terrible to boot that bit worse.

The NES came along in my house after that and nothing, but nothing touched Mario before Mario 3 came out (although Turrican 1 & 2 on C64 gave them a run for their money, I used to play them in my socks with the computer on the floor and my feet on the spacebar and F7 keys)

Megadrive won the next round for me. Mostly for Mortal Kombat and Micromachines, whilst my brother went SNES for Mario and Street Fighter.

PS1 brought us back together. I wanted to hate it... but it was game over the first time we touched Ridge Racer... then tomb raider, need for speed, resident evil, odd world.. I cracked before the end of the generation whilst in Chartbusters one night.. Colm Meaney the actor was in there and I was marvelling at how tall he was in real life and walked into a basket full of ex rentals for sale... Goldeneye, Mario 64 and Zelda for N64. £10 each. First time I ever bought a bunch of games without actually owning the console.

Despite that I still went dreamcast when it came out.. and still think it was better than early PS2 stuff. Some of the graphics still hold up well. Sega gave up before I did. PS2 was the better machine in the end.

sweetie

Had a C64 with disk drive and action replay cart. Cousins had an amstrad. It was pretty crap but they had a game I loved called Myth. I would probably have swapped with them.

Quigs Snr

Myth was on c64 as well. I remember it having above average graphics and a super soundtrack. It also came with a leaflet for other games from the same publisher which led me to the last ninja 3 and another one called Vendetta which I really wanted because you were a guy shooting things and then you got into your sports car to go to the next level...a proto grand theft auto !

KeRbDoG

Quigs Snr wrote: »

Myth was on c64 as well. I remember it having above average graphics and a super soundtrack. It also came with a leaflet for other games from the same publisher which led me to the last ninja 3 and another one called Vendetta which I really wanted because you were a guy shooting things and then you got into your sports car to go to the next level...a proto grand theft auto !

Always thought the animation in Myth on the C64 was great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arQnQjk_Xus

Quigs Snr

KeRbDoG wrote: »

Always thought the animation in Myth on the C64 was great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arQnQjk_Xus

... although looking at that video sprite collision detection was a bit shonky! The final boss in the whole thing was on the ads for it and I remember using some pokes and peeks with the Datel action replay cartridge to get the cheats to go see it easily.

KeRbDoG

Quigs Snr wrote: »

... although looking at that video sprite collision detection was a bit shonky!

You're looking at that with 2019 rather than 1989/1990 eyes The Spectrum version looks a little meh compared to it

Quigs Snr

KeRbDoG wrote: »

You're looking at that with 2019 rather than 1989/1990 eyes The Spectrum version looks a little meh compared to it

Ouch. C64 looked like a next gen machine when it was sitting next to a spectrum in all fairness.

accensi0n

NES > SNES

o1s1n

accensi0n wrote: »

NES > SNES

Sure the Snes was just a scam from Nintendo to get mammies all over the world to have to buy another console. :pac:

Retr0gamer

accensi0n wrote: »

NES > SNES

Think you could make a very good argument for this and I'm swinging towards this opinion as well when you take into account the Famicom as well.

The SNES has loads of amazing games on it but it feels very... curated. There's not a lot of interesting stuff on in the library.

The NES on the other hand has loads of amazing games, more than the SNES, but it's also got a lot of more interesting games. Games with ideas that don't pan out. Weird experimental stuff. And flat out god awful stuff that's still interesting to play.

One area though that the SNES wins out hands down is in RPGs. There's a few good ones on the NES, Dragon Quest 3 and 4 are stone cold classics as well as a few very good, very late NES RPGs but the vast majority are Dragon Quest clones and are too archaic and grindy.

On the SNES you had Final Fantasy 4 with totally changed how RPGs were and you ended up with a golden era for Square, Dragon Quests best entry with V and other greats building upon the work of FF4 and some excellent action RPGs as well.

o1s1n

If your NES and Snes collections were completely removed, as were your memories of playing all games on each system, and you could only have one, completely forsaking the other forever, would you chose the NES?

I know what you mean about there being a lot more interesting diversity and experimentation (sure I only just found Metal Storm recently myself!) on the NES, but there are too many ...dare I say it...'special' games on the Snes IMO.

Retr0gamer

Sophie's Choice really.

At the moment I'd definitely go with the NES but that's due to my playing habits at the moment. Can't really put time into long games and just much prefer the pick up and play aspect of most NES games.

The Last Bandit

All systems have their own merits, including the sh1te ones even if its only for comic effect.

That said, my pong is better than your pong.

CiDeRmAn

The Last Bandit wrote: »

All systems have their own merits, including the sh1te ones even if its only for comic effect.

That said, my pong is better than your pong.

No, the CDi should be trashed asap, no one will miss it, aside from those with an enduring mental illness.

Skerries

The Last Bandit wrote: »

All systems have their own merits, including the sh1te ones even if its only for comic effect.

That said, my pong is better than your pong.

your Pong stinks!

Skerries

Stoner wrote: »

I still remember my friend laughing when he saw how you had to stop the tape deck on the spectrum.

yeah having to mash the keys together because there was no dedicated stop button, totally forgot that

Retr0gamer

I've heard it said the c64 is a better machine but the spec cy had the better games

CiDeRmAn

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I've heard it said the c64 is a better machine but the spec cy had the better games

Not really.

The C64 had everything going for it, bar the resolution, which was mostly lower than the Speccy.
When the Spectrum was shifting things about on screen, usually in some clever colour/mono graphics work, it was very impressive.

But the smoother scrolling and sprite handling as well as the SID chip doing sonic duties made the C64 amazing.

I had the Speccy originally but got the C64 much later and loved it, but never had the childhood connection others did.

But, considering rivalries
NeoGeo Pocket Color trounces the Gameboy Color

limnam

Sparks43 wrote: »

Spectrum vs C64 is a dead heat

Was it though?

C64 came with it's own tape deck AFAIK.

Speccy you had to purchase it separate before the 128k+

The amount of games on C64 compared to speccy

I'm sure there's tons more reasons the C64 was superior

Stoner

limnam wrote:

I'm sure there's tons more reasons the C64 was superior

Built in joystick ports, no need to map different interfaces
Speach in games

Stoner

Quigs Snr wrote:

Megadrive won the next round for me. Mostly for Mortal Kombat and Micromachines, whilst my brother went SNES for Mario and Street Fighter.

Just on that.

I loved micromachines in the MD.

I think I've 6 different micromachines games, I love the carts with the extra two joypad ports for 4 player

However the 4 player via sharing a controller on the SNES was great fun.

Retr0gamer

Micro machines was on the SNES.

And as for mortal kombat, it was never a good game.

Stoner

Stoner wrote: »

I think I've 6 different micromachines games, I love the carts with the extra two joypad ports for 4 player

Ah yes,
Micromachines 98 Micro Machines 2: Turbo Tournament with the Jcart.
The only game I still have CIB from when i was younger.
I seem to remember you could use 4 pads with 8 players.

o1s1n

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Micro machines was on the SNES.

.

No J cart though so immediately inferior

Retr0gamer

o1s1n wrote: »

No J cart though so immediately inferior

Better version as well discounting the j-cart.

Tom Mann Centuria

limnam wrote: »

Was it though?

C64 came with it's own tape deck AFAIK.

Speccy you had to purchase it separate before the 128k+

The amount of games on C64 compared to speccy

I'm sure there's tons more reasons the C64 was superior

Originally the C64 tape deck had to be purchased separately, on top of the considerably more expensive bread bin, and if it fupped up, you had to buy another expensive datacorder from Commodore, which again, much more expensive than standard. A Spectrum will load from virtually any cassette player you have/had in the house. I know which I'd prefer.

Oh, and pedant mode on, You had to purchase it separate before the PLUS 2. The 128k toastrack, or 128k+ still took any tape player you might want.

I'm sure there's kilograms more reasons why the Spectrum is superior to the c64. :pac:

Honestly though, I'd happily have both now. Lots of great games for both, terrible games for both, but as a youngster, unless you were lucky to have parents who were a bit flush, the Speccy was THE machine, games cheaper too. Class war comrade, the speccy was the machine of the masses and Eastern bloc and Brasil, Spain and Portugal.

limnam

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Originally the C64 tape deck had to be purchased separately, on top of the considerably more expensive bread bin, and if it fupped up, you had to buy another expensive datacorder from Commodore, which again, much more expensive than standard. A Spectrum will load from virtually any cassette player you have/had in the house. I know which I'd prefer.

Oh, and pedant mode on, You had to purchase it separate before the PLUS 2. The 128k toastrack, or 128k+ still took any tape player you might want.

I'm sure there's kilograms more reasons why the Spectrum is superior to the c64. :pac:

Honestly though, I'd happily have both now. Lots of great games for both, terrible games for both, but as a youngster, unless you were lucky to have parents who were a bit flush, the Speccy was THE machine, games cheaper too. Class war comrade, the speccy was the machine of the masses and Eastern bloc and Brasil, Spain and Portugal.

For me the speccy's rubber keyboard was the major attraction :pac:

Retr0gamer

I've a feeling most C64 users got into the console late once the C64 price had dropped to reasonable levels where it could compete with the speccy. The early 80's were all about the spectrum as the price was far better than the C64. I know I got my C64 xmas 90 or 91.

Tom Mann Centuria

limnam wrote: »

For me the speccy's rubber keyboard was the major attraction :pac:

Dead flesh as they say, weird how it never caught on more. Such a usable keyboard*





*May not be true.

Tom Mann Centuria

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I've a feeling most C64 users got into the console late once the C64 price had dropped to reasonable levels where it could compete with the speccy. The early 80's were all about the spectrum as the price was far better than the C64. I know I got my C64 xmas 90 or 91.

Console? Wash your whore mouth out.

The C64 was a computer, as the wiki amusingly puts it, one of the top two best selling 8 bit computers of the era in the UK.

Or as I'd put it, the second best selling computer, the 2nd best, the 2nd best.........

Homelander

BrownFinger wrote: »

BITD my cousin swapped Eternal champions for Gunstar Heroes with his neighbour

To be honest Eternal Champions was a very good game. Not that Gunstar Heroes isn't, but as a kid, I'd have chosen EC 10 times out of 10 over Gunstar. I played Eternal Champions again recently and it wasn't just nostalgia googles either, it is a solid beat em up.

Homelander

Homelander wrote: »

To be honest Eternal Champions was a very good game. Not that Gunstar Heroes isn't, but as a kid, I'd have chosen EC 10 times out of 10 over Gunstar. I played Eternal Champions again recently and it wasn't just nostalgia googles either, it is a solid beat em up.

Maybe but we HATED it when we were kids.
Also we didnt know about 6button pads (we were 9) :rolleyes:

Retr0gamer

It's not bad.

But it's not Gunstar Heroes.

o1s1n

Don't forget Alien Soldier. Everyone always forgets Alien Soldier

(still better than Gunstar Heroes IMO!)

Retr0gamer

I could never get into Alien Soldier. It seems to flow great once you know the bosses but if you don't it can be a slog until you get better. I also find it really stressful that you need to keep weapons topped up using the counter move.