Controversial Opinion:

Rashers Big Log

I watched Paul vs KSI and was really surprised at the overall quality. These lads have become proper boxers. I’d even g so far as to say that KSI would almost certainly beat the MTK guys in his weight and would even give the likes of Conlan,the moanbag a good few tough rounds!

Johnny Sausage

Rashers Big Log wrote: »

I watched Paul vs KSI and was really surprised at the overall quality. These lads have become proper boxers. I’d even g so far as to say that KSI would almost certainly beat the MTK guys in his weight and would even give the likes of Conlan,the moanbag a good few tough rounds!

"KSI" is what a cruiserweight and Michael Conlan is a small featherweight

Great logic

Rashers Big Log

Johnny Sausage wrote: »

"KSI" is what a cruiserweight and Michael Conlan is a small featherweight

Great logic

That’s kind of what I meant, if they met at say middleweight I think you’d have an interesting fight

walshb

I heard that you’d see better quality at 2 a.m. outside a kebab shop full of drunks..

Rashers Big Log

walshb wrote: »

I heard that you’d see better quality at 2 a.m. outside a kebab shop full of drunks..

Did you watch the fight?

Johnny Sausage

Rashers Big Log wrote: »

That’s kind of what I meant, if they met at say middleweight I think you’d have an interesting fight

I'm sorry but that's a terrible shout

Makes zero sense

Why would someone jump 6 weight divisions 😂

Rashers Big Log

Johnny Sausage wrote: »

I'm sorry but that's a terrible shout

Makes zero sense

Why would someone jump 6 weight divisions 😂

KSI would beat a mope like Bellew anyway

Johnny Sausage

Rashers Big Log wrote: »

KSI would beat a mope like Bellew anyway

Hed probably beat Lomachenko in that little mind of yours 🙈

walshb

Rashers Big Log wrote: »

Did you watch the fight?

No.

Rashers Big Log

walshb wrote: »

No.

Why not? And if not why do you think you could judge the quality of it?

walshb

Rashers Big Log wrote: »

Why not? And if not why do you think you could judge the quality of it?

Because it doesn’t interest me in the slightest. A friend of mine told me his view of what he saw. I trust him...

Rashers Big Log

walshb wrote: »

Because it doesn’t interest me in the slightest. A friend of mine told me his view of what he saw. I trust him...

It’s one of the biggest boxing PPV’s of all time. I’m surprised a fan of the sport wouldn’t at least watch it! It’s a bit elitist of you tbh

walshb

Rashers Big Log wrote: »

It’s one of the biggest boxing PPV’s of all time. I’m surprised a fan of the sport wouldn’t at least watch it! It’s a bit elitist of you tbh

You are on wind up!

Rashers Big Log

walshb wrote: »

You are on wind up!

It’s not a wind up. I’m surprised a boxing fan wouldn’t at least watch the biggest event of the year. Why wouldn’t you watch it?

walshb

Rashers Big Log wrote: »

It’s not a wind up. I’m surprised a boxing fan wouldn’t at least watch the biggest event of the year. Why wouldn’t you watch it?

Same reason I wouldn’t be at all keen to go down the local GAA to watch a white collar event. Putting the tag, “boxing” to something doesn’t make it an automatic appeal..

Rashers Big Log

walshb wrote: »

Same reason I wouldn’t be at all keen to go down the local GAA to watch a white collar event. Putting the tag, “boxing” to something doesn’t make it an automatic appeal..

I fail to see how it isn’t boxing? It was a professional boxing match,no? Just because they didn’t come through amateur ranks doesn’t make it less legitimate. Do you honestly think you could do better? I was actually very impressed with the quality

Rashers Big Log

Also, I wasn’t aware you couldn’t be ‘white collar’ and a good boxer???

walshb

I’ll take your word for it, so. I’ll give it a watch and report back.

Rashers Big Log

walshb wrote: »

I’ll take your word for it, so. I’ll give it a watch and report back.

I would appreciate that. When can I expect a report? I don’t understand the snobbery here. If Ali we’re alive and active when social media was around, he’d have been massive on YouTube

walshb

Rashers Big Log wrote: »

I would appreciate that. When can I expect a report? I don’t understand the snobbery here. If Ali we’re alive and active when social media was around, he’d have been massive on YouTube

Gimme a few days. Is it on YouTube?

Edit: got it. Will watch shortly.

Brock Turnpike

walshb wrote: »

Gimme a few days. Is it on YouTube?

Edit: got it. Will watch shortly.

Any update, walshb?

Mantis Toboggan

Never heard of these 2, what's their background and why were they boxing?

Ah here stop. I watched the "highlights."
Two game lads, have clearly "trained" a bit and have conditioning and fitness, and if you think "proper" boxing involves standing still in front of your opponent with hands at your waist and your feet planted statically whilst trying to lamp in overhand rights like you're swinging a handbag and taking illegal shots then sure, they have it.

Samuri Suicide

This whole charade is just a degree or two away from the hunger games..

Guy:Incognito

Rashers Big Log wrote: »

I would appreciate that. When can I expect a report? I don’t understand the snobbery here. If Ali we’re alive and active when social media was around, he’d have been massive on YouTube

Ali would be a boxer whose fights would be uploaded to YouTube. That's a long way from a couple of youtubers giving boxing a go.

It's no different to jake Gylenhall deciding to fight Ryan Reynolds.

Rashers Big Log

Walshb have you had a chance to watch it yet? I thought the 3rd round was particularly excellent.

Rashers Big Log

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Ali would be a boxer whose fights would be uploaded to YouTube. That's a long way from a couple of youtubers giving boxing a go.

It's no different to jake Gylenhall deciding to fight Ryan Reynolds.

Except these two guys are now pro boxers to be fair to them.

walshb

Not quite 2 a.m. kebab shop boxing, but extremely crude, raw and basic. White collar..

Logan certainly has a bit more about him in terms of fundamentals, feet, natural movement and punch delivery. Both would be tomato cans on the pro scene..

I suppose anyone can give it a go at any sport really, once they give it some time and preparation . It’s clear both these lads put the time and effort in.

All about levels. They are at the very lower level..

KSI more so...

Johnny Sausage

walshb wrote: »

Not quite 2 a.m. kebab shop boxing, but extremely crude, raw and basic. White collar..

Logan certainly has a bit more about him in terms of fundamentals, feet, natural movement and punch delivery. Both would be tomato cans on the pro scene..

I suppose anyone can give it a go at any sport really, once they give it some time and preparation . It’s clear both these lads put the time and effort in.

All about levels. They are at the very lower level..

KSI more so...

The whole brittish top 20 cruisers would steamroll through KSI, id say at least 10 of them would stop him fairly handy too

Rashers Big Log

Rumours out there that Puhalo or Okalie is next up for KSI. I think he’d struggle against Puhalo but would give Okalie a good fight

Rashers Big Log

walshb wrote: »

Not quite 2 a.m. kebab shop boxing, but extremely crude, raw and basic. White collar..

Logan certainly has a bit more about him in terms of fundamentals, feet, natural movement and punch delivery. Both would be tomato cans on the pro scene..

I suppose anyone can give it a go at any sport really, once they give it some time and preparation . It’s clear both these lads put the time and effort in.

All about levels. They are at the very lower level..

KSI more so...

This is pretty general. I think the problem here is you are seeing boxing through the orthodox, not progressive lense of Irish amateur boxing. KSI has a very non traditional approach but is very much a disrupter. Much in the way Royce Gracie changed the way people looked at fighting and MMA, KSI would be very difficult to beat for a traditionally trained boxer.

What round in particular was your favorite Walshb?

walshb

What do you want me to say? Of course it’s pretty general..

Glaring deficiencies are the lack of rhythm, fluidity and cohesion. Very disjointed..in other words, not boxers of any type of caliber.

As pro boxers go neither are anywhere near quality...

Have I seen worse pro boxers? Yes....

KSI would be difficult to beat for a poor pro boxer. Anyone with talent and pedigree, not that difficult at all..

All rds were similar. Rd 3 probably best rd..

Rashers Big Log

walshb wrote: »

What do you want me to say? Of course it’s pretty general..

Glaring deficiencies are the lack of rhythm, fluidity and cohesion. Very disjointed..in other words, not boxers of any type of caliber.

As pro boxers go neither are anywhere near quality...

Have I seen worse pro boxers? Yes....

KSI would be difficult to beat for a poor pro boxer. Anyone with talent and pedigree, not that difficult at all..

All rds were similar. Rd 3 probably best rd..

So at least you admit KSI is a proper pro boxer. I think his style is extremely disruptive and would give guys huge problems. What do you make of the Puhalo rumour? Also about your point with fluidity, I believe this lack of fluidity is what makes KSI particularly suited to improve and challenge for titles. You never know what’s coming next. Rhythm and fluidity are very overrated in boxing and I’ve boxed a good bit

walshb

I never said he was a “proper” pro boxer, whatever that is..

ElBastardo1

This has to be a complete troll job.

KSI and LP could compete with Michael Conlon and give Tony Bellew a decent shot??? Obviously size would be on there side if they boxed Conlon, but they would find it extremely hard to get close to him, he'd also stop them to the body very easily, as for Bellew? he would beat them in the same night within a round. I'd go as far as to say he'd beat them at the same time.

Not to take anything from the two of them, they didn't look terrible considering they are only training for 2 years. But comparing them to decent pros is a stretch. If boxing was ranked like some Martial Arts are, I'd say the 2 lads are yellow belts, but you'd expect them to beat a black belt. Never going to happen.

ThunderCat

Rashers Big Log wrote: »

So at least you admit KSI is a proper pro boxer. I think his style is extremely disruptive and would give guys huge problems. What do you make of the Puhalo rumour? Also about your point with fluidity, I believe this lack of fluidity is what makes KSI particularly suited to improve and challenge for titles. You never know what’s coming next. Rhythm and fluidity are very overrated in boxing and I’ve boxed a good bit

That's like saying "putting one leg in front of the other" is overrated in the 100m sprint. Sorry, "very" overrated.
In other news, Usyk has abandoned his charge at the heavyweight title and has instead called out Leo Santa Cruz at a catch weight of 160. When asked why he responded "Sure it's all the one".

walshb

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

This has to be a complete troll job.

KSI and LP could compete with Michael Conlon and give Tony Bellew a decent shot??? Obviously size would be on there side if they boxed Conlon, but they would find it extremely hard to get close to him, he'd also stop them to the body very easily, as for Bellew? he would beat them in the same night within a round. I'd go as far as to say he'd beat them at the same time.

Not to take anything from the two of them, they didn't look terrible considering they are only training for 2 years. But comparing them to decent pros is a stretch. If boxing was ranked like some Martial Arts are, I'd say the 2 lads are yellow belts, but you'd expect them to beat a black belt. Never going to happen.

Not disagreeing here with everything. But MC is 125 lbs. Not at all a puncher. How is he stopping these 200 lbs men, (who are naturally big and in shape), to the body? And very easily?

They are far too big in every area for a clearly smaller man like MC..

Let’s not get carried away here. In a scale 1-10 with 10 being elite, these lads are likely a 3. Many many many 200lbs pros similarly rated; that doesn’t mean some FW can easily take them out. It doesn’t work like that..

ElBastardo1

walshb wrote: »

Not disagreeing here with everything. But MC is 125 lbs. Not at all a puncher. How is he stopping these 200 lbs men, (who are naturally big and in shape), to the body? And very easily?

They are far too big in every area for a clearly smaller man like MC..

Let’s not get carried away here. In a scale 1-10 with 10 being elite, these lads are likely a 3. Many many many 200lbs pros similarly rated; that doesn’t mean some FW can easily take them out. It doesn’t work like that..

OK, Maybe 'easily' is a bit of an over exageration. I still think he would be impossible for them to land a glove on him and I'd say if he landed a hook to the body, they'd feel it. Wether it would drop them is another thing. Lets say an decent Pro at middleweight like Spike O'sullivan would wipe the floor with them.

walshb

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

OK, Maybe 'easily' is a bit of an over exageration. I still think he would be impossible for them to land a glove on him and I'd say if he landed a hook to the body, they'd feel it. Wether it would drop them is another thing. Lets say an decent Pro at middleweight like Spike O'sullivan would wipe the floor with them.

Yes, good strong decent middles should eat them two..

Talent and skill wise they are way below quality, but so are many others that are campaigning as pro boxers.

Both are still big men...

Btw, MC is not Floyd Mayweather. He can be tagged a lot easier than you think..

ElBastardo1

walshb wrote: »

Yes, good strong decent middles should eat them two..

Talent and skill wise they are way below quality, but so are many others that are campaigning as pro boxers.

Both are still big men...

Btw, MC is not Floyd Mayweather. He can be tagged a lot easier than you think..

MC still has a long way to go, but i thought he was very good in his last fight. He has looked average at times. He was an excpetional amature boxer, he needs to adapt to the pro style a bit more.
Those two Mckenna brothers have impressed me as pros. I'd have Aaron further along in his development than MC is at the moment.

Rashers Big Log

I reckon KSI would be better off taking on the “Gypsy Kings” Tyson and Hughie first before quickly dispatching this loser but still, money talks https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/50378222

Guy:Incognito

Rashers Big Log wrote: »

Except these two guys are now pro boxers to be fair to them.

In what way?

I wouldnt consider James Milner fighting Marcus Rashford being watched by Liverpool and Utd fans who dont watch boxing to be professional boxers.

If they werent famous youtubers whos online following paid to see this it would be classed as what it was, white collar boxing.


Are they full time boxers now or will they go back to their day jobs?

squinn2912

This thread is fantastic gotta appreciate the passion. But about Usyk had me doubled over.

Big Ears

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

MC still has a long way to go, but i thought he was very good in his last fight. He has looked average at times. He was an excpetional amature boxer, he needs to adapt to the pro style a bit more.
Those two Mckenna brothers have impressed me as pros. I'd have Aaron further along in his development than MC is at the moment.

You think Aaron McKenna is further along than Michael Conlan in his pro development ?

ElBastardo1

Big Ears wrote:

You think Aaron McKenna is further along than Michael Conlan in his pro development ?

I think Aaron Mckenna has showed he has more power and has a style more suited to the pro game. Conlon has shown he gets hit, and has literally no power at Super Bantam/feather

Big Ears

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

I think Aaron Mckenna has showed he has more power and has a style more suited to the pro game. Conlon has shown he gets hit, and has literally no power at Super Bantam/feather

Well that's a bit different.
McKenna also has a style more 'suited' to the pro game than someone like Luke Campbell, but he's certainly not further along in his development than Luke.

There's no question Conlan severely lacks power. He's probably going to have to rely on catching guys with counters they don't see coming to hurt them, because he's not a natural puncher at all.
However I don't think McKenna is a puncher either, he's getting a chance to load up on his opposition because they're a very low standard and he's managing to stop the less durable ones as a result.
I'd nearly expect Walshb to be telling us in a couple of years his lack of power is why he won't make it !

His style is certainly aggressive right now, but that's easy when nothing is coming back.
When he gets to a level of fighting guys who have some capability he may have to box off the backfoot a bit more, but we'll find out when that happens.

I think McKenna is doingng a grand job btw, and they're matching him fine for his age. But we need to keep things in context that he's facing an exceptionally low level of opposition.

12gauge dave

This thread has me questioning my life and sanity.
Some crazy talk going on in here.