Ioniq or i3?

McGiver

Folks, I'm going to be upgrade from my first EV L24 to something better. I've narrowed it down to 2nd hand Ioniq 33 vs i3 94 Ah.
Budget roughly 20k-ish. Mostly used in the city but need to be able to make Galway-Dublin in reasonable time (1 fast charge the most) and several times a year around the county with poorer infrastructure. Family of 4, kids aren't toddlers.

Ioniq
Pros:
- the best efficiency after Tesla
- a bit faster charging (on 175kW though)
- better warranty
- expect cheaper service if needed
- better driving assist tech
- bigger boot

Cons:
- a bit larger car, which isn't that handy for city
- Korean brand, not so great IMHO
- only 7kW AC

i3
Pros:
- premium brand
- cool design inside and outside
- very green car (recycled materials etc)
- RWD and very zippy if needed
- small car perfect for city / parking etc
- 11 kW AC

Cons:
- warranty seems inferior to Ioniq
- assume service could be very expensive
- DC charging capped at 50kW
- tiny boot

Would appreciate advice and different points of view? I know it's ultimately a personal decision but...

Gentlemen unkel and Mad_Lad. Round 1. Fight

Gumbo

4 seats in i3.
I3 is probably faster off the line too.
Handles like a go kart - great fun to drive.
Spec is fantastic in the right trim.
City driving in summer I get 29km for 10%.
Today I got 26km for 10%.
i3 looks better in my opinion due to the funky design.

Ioniq.
Probably more practical.
Range is better even though it’s a smaller battery.
I think it charges quicker than the i3. i3 max is 50kw.

Soarer

Doors!

McGiver

Soarer wrote:

Doors!

Is that a pro or a con? I've heard different opinions.

gingernut79

I test drove the i3 and thought it was really fantastic and fun. Can't help you out on the Ioniq though.

McGiver

kceire wrote:

4 seats in i3. I3 is probably faster off the line too. Handles like a go kart - great fun to drive. Spec is fantastic in the right trim. City driving in summer I get 29km for 10%. Today I got 26km for 10%. i3 looks better in my opinion due to the funky design.

Cheers! Impressive range.

Don't mind 4 seats at all.

I sometimes hate the looks and sometimes love it, but the more close up I see it the more I love it. It's weird and I can't explain it.

The right trim may be an issue given the budget. I hear it's hard to get the heat pump, apparently not many went for the extra. Would love it but probably won't get it. Park Assist is a must for me and so is the bigger screen.

McGiver

gingernut79 wrote:

I test drove the i3 and thought it was really fantastic and fun. Can't help you out on the Ioniq though.

Actually I've read a criticism of motorway driving experience compared to the Leaf (and I think ioniq too) which says that because it's so responsive it requires constant steering on the motorway. Leaf just holds the track, requires little steering.

Gumbo

McGiver wrote: »

Cheers! Impressive range.

Don't mind 4 seats at all.

I sometimes hate the looks and sometimes love it, but the more close up I see it the more I love it. It's weird and I can't explain it.

The right trim may be an issue given the budget. I hear it's hard to get the heat pump, apparently not many went for the extra. Would love it but probably won't get it. Park Assist is a must for me and so is the bigger screen.

I’m not 100% sure my i3 BEV has the heat pump also.
Spec wise it has everything except the radar Cruise control or whatever version they used on the i3. Park assist is great but I’ve never used it in anger. I’m quicker parking myself but the added front sensors, pedestrian warning that it brings is nice. It’s also automatic front sensors which is a very handy little feature that you miss when driving other cars.

Sunroof is great too.
LED headlight
HK sound
Pro nav
Leather
20” wheels
They all have heated seats too.
I miss the heated steering wheel from the Leaf though.

Pre heating through the app is great but I had that on the Leaf too. A nice little feature is the random button on the key. You can program it to do various things and one of them is Aux heating so if you wake up, look out the window and see it’s frosty, you can press the button and the heating kicks in (or use the app).

Gumbo

McGiver wrote: »

Actually I've read a criticism of motorway driving experience compared to the Leaf (and I think ioniq too) which says that because it's so responsive it requires constant steering on the motorway. Leaf just holds the track, requires little steering.

I would agree with that too.
Motorway driving in the i3 moves around a bit. Maybe the skinnier tyres?

McGiver

kceire wrote:

I would agree with that too. Motorway driving in the i3 moves around a bit. Maybe the skinnier tyres?

Definitely the tyres, plus RWD I'd say.

McGiver

kceire wrote:

Sunroof is great too. LED headlight HK sound Pro nav Leather 20†wheels They all have heated seats too. I miss the heated steering wheel from the Leaf though.

What's the benefit of the pro nav?

Are you sure all the trims have heated seats?

Think it's all trims have LEDs but not sure.

krissovo

A smart person would pick the Ioniq(not new one), its such good value to for the money. I bet Dublin to Galway could be done in the right conditions without stopping at a decent pace.

The I3 though is such a nice drive and a very pleasant cabin to live with even in bog spec. You do need at least one option though, an older car will need pro-nav. Dublin to Galway will need a stop, at the speed limit you are probably pushing around 18>20 kWh/100kms. The boot does look small but it’s surprisingly cavernous bigger than you expect, we can get 1 full-size suitcase and 3 carry-on cases in the boot.

The heat pump is great in this weather but if your daily range is fine its mostly a nice to have.

krissovo

McGiver wrote: »

What's the benefit of the pro nav?

Are you sure all the trims have heated seats?

Think it's all trims have LEDs but not sure.

The “standard” Nav is unusable if you rely on Sat Nav, its so difficult to use in cities as it does not prompt well at junctions and you will end up missing turns. I am finding the BMW realtime traffic a real timesaver, it works so well in Cork that it genuinely saves me up to a hour a week on my daily 90km commute.

Heated seats are standard, LED headlamps were an option.

Both are good cars but the i3 is a hell of a lot more fun to drive.

It's sharp steering is unsettling to those not used to the car but once used to it I no longer notice it but I can tell you this, getting back into the leaf after my test drive made me realise just how poor the steering was in the Gen 1 leaf, the Gen 2 is better but nothing like the i3.

The i3 moves when you move the steering, a lot of people are not used to this driving Japanese and Korean cars.

The Ioniq and Leaf has practically no steering feel compared to the i3.

Drive both , take the i3 to back roads and I guarantee if you like driving you will prefer the i3 a lot more.

unkel

McGiver wrote: »

Gentlemen unkel and Mad_Lad. Round 1. Fight

This fight is not even starting. I'm picking i3

A few minor points of order though, you say Ioniq has the best efficiency after Tesla. It's the other way around. Ioniq is the most efficient EV. Number 2 is the Tesla Model 3 SR+, number 3 is i3 and number 4 is eGolf. Efficiency is of little importance though. It will save you an immaterial sum of money compared to an ineffcient EV

Ioniq is far superior for long distance cruising, i3 is a far superior drivers car and also faster away from the lights by quite a margin (provided it's the BEV)

One point very relevant to you though has already been mentioned by krissovo, about half the year you would make it from Dublin to Galway without charging in Ioniq if you take it handy. Not a hope of that in i3.

adunis

I'd also take the i3 if it had more space and a boot and 5 seats and conventional doors.its a far nicer car to drive and way better finish/materials and just cachet in general.
Surprised nobody has mentioned the bone hard pitchy ride quality oh and the stupid sized tyres.by comparison the only real criticisms I can level at the Ioniq is the lack of elan,acres of black plastic interior and pretty inert driving experience....

Gumbo

McGiver wrote: »

What's the benefit of the pro nav?

Are you sure all the trims have heated seats?

Think it's all trims have LEDs but not sure.

Pro nav means the bigger screen, enhanced Bluetooth which allows streaming music from your connected device and also movie playback though USB.

Heated seats have been in everyone I seen
So I think they are standard.
LED is deffo not standard. Halogens are standard with LED daytime running lights. LED headlights were an upgrade. They were part of the i3 Sport pack which also included the 20” wheels, privacy glass and the Harmon Kardon surround sound at a cost of £2200 stg to the original owner.

Also, park assist included the reverse camera which is a god send.

Gumbo

adunis wrote: »

I'd also take the i3 if it had more space and a boot and 5 seats and conventional doors.its a far nicer car to drive and way better finish/materials and just cachet in general.
Surprised nobody has mentioned the bone hard pitchy ride quality oh and the stupid sized tyres.by comparison the only real criticisms I can level at the Ioniq is the lack of elan,acres of black plastic interior and pretty inert driving experience....

The doors are an actual advantage for me. Easy loading of the kids etc

Soarer

Think LED headlights came as standard from the 94ah onwards.

jhegarty

I have seen some early examples without heated seats. No idea where the came from as it was suppose to be standard.

But that was back in the day when CCS was an option.

edit:

Found one https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201910173412390?radius=1500&advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=ub94dn&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&make=BMW&sort=price-asc&model=I3&page=1&modal=photos

The seat heater buttons are blanks.

ELM327

Ioniq is more efficient than a Tesla. It (Ioniq 28) is the most efficient EV


There is no contest. If you want a realistic mid size liftback sedan, with high spec and the best non Tesla "autopilot" then go for the Ioniq
If you want a moon buggy with a motorbike engine and slow "fast" charging then go for the I3.


It really is a no brainer, and Unkel I'm surprised at you!

McGiver

Deleted User wrote: »

Both are good cars but the i3 is a hell of a lot more fun to drive.

It's sharp steering is unsettling to those not used to the car but once used to it I no longer notice it but I can tell you this, getting back into the leaf after my test drive made me realise just how poor the steering was in the Gen 1 leaf, the Gen 2 is better but nothing like the i3.

The i3 moves when you move the steering, a lot of people are not used to this driving Japanese and Korean cars.

The Ioniq and Leaf has practically no steering feel compared to the i3.

Drive both , take the i3 to back roads and I guarantee if you like driving you will prefer the i3 a lot more.

Good point. But I guess for some people the "lack of steering" can be a positive. Saying that, I'd say that would apply to long distance driving people, especially motorway. Which is not me. Mostly city driving with some country driving too both relatively short where I'd say the sharp steering could be a benefit....

Oh but I read the suspension is quite hard, especially with 20 wheels, on rural roads.

McGiver

unkel wrote: »

One point very relevant to you though has already been mentioned by krissovo, about half the year you would make it from Dublin to Galway without charging in Ioniq if you take it handy. Not a hope of that in i3.

Even at a leafspeed or say 110 gps?

McGiver

jhegarty wrote: »

I have seen some early examples without heated seats. No idea where the came from as it was suppose to be standard.

But that was back in the day when CCS was an option.

edit:

Found one https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201910173412390?radius=1500&advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=ub94dn&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&make=BMW&sort=price-asc&model=I3&page=1&modal=photos

The seat heater buttons are blanks.

Must have been on the 60 Ah only? Looks like 94 Ah all should have them.

McGiver

kceire wrote: »

The doors are an actual advantage for me. Easy loading of the kids etc

I'd tend to agree with that based on what I've seen while checking it out.
Bjorn Nyland had also made a comment on that in his i3 review. Said it was very handy for (un)loading stuff in from the side with the back seats down, very good access from the side which is impossible with normal doors where you have to load it from the boot.

McGiver

kceire wrote: »

Pro nav means the bigger screen, enhanced Bluetooth which allows streaming music from your connected device and also movie playback though USB.

Heated seats have been in everyone I seen
So I think they are standard.
LED is deffo not standard. Halogens are standard with LED daytime running lights. LED headlights were an upgrade. They were part of the i3 Sport pack which also included the 20” wheels, privacy glass and the Harmon Kardon surround sound at a cost of £2200 stg to the original owner.

Also, park assist included the reverse camera which is a god send.

Right so that confirms my insistence on the bigger screen (includes Pro Nav) and park assist (includes camera and front sensors), these are a must for me.
Everything else is a bonus. The 20 wheels look nice but I've had a quick google and there is almost no choice of tyres for those, a bit better with the 19. Also, 19 will have less rolling resistance = a bit better range.

McGiver

ELM327 wrote: »

Ioniq is more efficient than a Tesla. It (Ioniq 28) is the most efficient EV


There is no contest. If you want a realistic mid size liftback sedan, with high spec and the best non Tesla "autopilot" then go for the Ioniq
If you want a moon buggy with a motorbike engine and slow "fast" charging then go for the I3.


It really is a no brainer, and Unkel I'm surprised at you!

I see, I thought it was the other way round re efficiency.

The range and tech is much better, overall much better car from all aspects, but I think I prefer the buggy, not a fan of sedans in fact

Btw why Ioniq doesn't have 11kW AC (or 22 kw AC :P) at this stage escapes me. It would have been an almost perfect car.

Mickeroo

McGiver wrote: »

Even at a leafspeed or say 110 gps?

Dublin to Galway is 210km roughly, leaf speed would do that in summer with about 20km to spare on a good day. 110kph though, not a chance any time of year.

If it was me though I'd factor a short stop at the ionity in Athlone and cruise at 120kph all year round.

unkel

McGiver wrote: »

Even at a leafspeed or say 110 gps?

110km/h GPS on a good day in summer. If you have balls of steel

Personally I wouldn't risk it at that speed, more like 100km/h. But as Mickeroo suggested, you'd be far better off not worrying about range and just have a 10-15m stop at Ionity

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

Unkel I'm surprised at you!

Why? Isn't my assessment fair? If you only need 4 seats and don't need a lot of space and prefer a RWD premium quality drivers car over a FWD Korean car and you don't need the extra range that Ioniq offers, why not go for the i3? In all this I am presuming the OP is referring to the BEV though. Not the REx.

McGiver

unkel wrote: »

Why? Isn't my assessment fair? If you only need 4 seats and not a lot of space and prefer a RWD drivers car over a FWD Korean car and you don't need the extra range that Ioniq offers, why not go for the i3? In all this I am presuming the OP is referring to the BEV though. Not the REx.

Correct, the BEV. Rex not worth the hassle imho, defies the purpose of low-maintenance EV car. Even though mad_lad has had quite a few issues with the i3...it's still a car and can break.

ELM327

McGiver wrote: »

I see, I thought it was the other way round re efficiency.

The range and tech is much better, overall much better car from all aspects, but I think I prefer the buggy, not a fan of sedans in fact

Btw why Ioniq doesn't have 11kW AC (or 22 kw AC :P) at this stage escapes me. It would have been an almost perfect car.

11kW in i3 is about the same speed as 7.4 kW AC in Ioniq due to the i3's inefficiency

Gumbo

jhegarty wrote: »

I have seen some early examples without heated seats. No idea where the came from as it was suppose to be standard.

But that was back in the day when CCS was an option.

edit:

Found one https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201910173412390?radius=1500&advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=ub94dn&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&make=BMW&sort=price-asc&model=I3&page=1&modal=photos

The seat heater buttons are blanks.

I was the one that said they were standard as the OP was looking at a 94 Ah version, so that means minimum of mid 2016 car, which I believe they are standard in.

Gumbo

McGiver wrote: »

The 20 wheels look nice but I've had a quick google and there is almost no choice of tyres for those, a bit better with the 19. Also, 19 will have less rolling resistance = a bit better range.

I put two Bridgestone on the rear. I bought from Camskill in the UK. The OEM option of Bridgestone are the only option for the 20" wheels I believe but im ok with that. IT forces me not to put cheap tyres on there.

McGiver

Mickeroo wrote: »

Dublin to Galway is 210km roughly, leaf speed would do that in summer with about 20km to spare on a good day. 110kph though, not a chance any time of year.

If it was me though I'd factor a short stop at the ionity in Athlone and cruise at 120kph all year round.

Thought it was 190km, but 210 is correct (centre to centre). In that case yeah, no way i3 can make it at reasonable speed. Stopping in Athlone Ionity makes sense.

Btw one of the reasons for i3/Ioniq for me is CCS and esp Ionity, opens up a relatively reasonable mid-distance travel.

Gumbo

ELM327 wrote: »

There is no contest. If you want a realistic mid size liftback sedan, with high spec and the best non Tesla "autopilot" then go for the Ioniq
If you want a moon buggy with a motorbike engine and slow "fast" charging then go for the I3.

I thought we were talking about the BEV, none of this crap cheating with a Rex of any of that milarky

ELM327 wrote: »

It really is a no brainer, and Unkel I'm surprised at you!

its a no brainer if you want the boring Korean hatch. If you want a more fun, better performing car then the i3 is the way to go. My opinion of course before you throw me to the Lions

McGiver

kceire wrote: »

I put two Bridgestone on the rear. I bought from Camskill in the UK. The OEM option of Bridgestone are the only option for the 20" wheels I believe but im ok with that. IT forces me not to put cheap tyres on there.

I was not going after cheap, rather more expensive AA rated (efficiency and wet). The thing is I couldn't find any AA rated, not even BA or BB as far as I know. On my current leaf upgrade from Cx to AA rated tyres improved my range by at least 8% or so, which counts. That makes a difference to any EV, especially in this segment (probably pointeless for Tesla M3 LR).
I could find literally one type of tyre of the 20 thin wheels, think it was the Bridgestone you mentioned.

McGiver

ELM327 wrote: »

11kW in i3 is about the same speed as 7.4 kW AC in Ioniq due to the i3's inefficiency

How is that possible? :cool:

1. P = V * I
2. 11 kW > 7 kW

1 hour AC gives roughly 38% SOC on i3 but only 25% on Ioniq.
Correct me if i'm wrong.

Gumbo

Here's my post from April with regards to motorway range.
its the only Motorway trip of any significance I've done in the I3 since I bought it (which proves my use for the car is really city only).

Done my first motorway trip in the i3 today since buying in February and also my longest trip at 125km!

So door to door was 125km.
North Dublin to the Sheraton Hotel in Athlone.
Left house at 98.5% and cruise control set to 100kmh and arrived with 25% remaining.

Roads were empty except for the M50, which meant 90-100 due to traffic.

On the way home I toyed with a few different speeds set.

18.2km @ 100kmh used 10%
14.6km @ 110kmh used 10%
14.5km @ 120kmh used 10%

All done using cruise control.
Normal operation, so lights, radio and climate control on.
Mix of rain and dry speeds and all at about 10 degrees external temp.

2016 i3 94Ah BEV.

McGiver

kceire wrote: »

Here's my post from April with regards to motorway range.
its the only Motorway trip of any significance I've done in the I3 since I bought it (which proves my use for the car is really city only).

Was that GPS or dash speed? Driving mode (Comfort etc)?

That would give it a theoretical range of about 180km, which is very good given the circumstances.

Assuming 27.2 kW usable (apparently BMW released some of the buffer via SW/FW update and it should be around 29 kW usable, but let's ignore that)

That translates to the following:
0.149 Wh/100 km
0.186 Wh/100 km
0.188 Wh/100 km

I'd say either the 2nd or 3rd one is a measurement error or the conditions were quite different (dry/wet, wind direction, heating, cell temperature). The efficiency can't be almost the same with higher speed.

pdpmur

McGiver wrote: »

I sometimes hate the looks and sometimes love it, but the more close up I see it the more I love it. It's weird and I can't explain it.

"There is no exquisite beauty without some strangeness in the proportion" - Edgar Allen Pope.

If a car continues to draw my gaze after a number of years then it's usually because of some unusual or quirky detail and to me its a sign of a car's enduring aesthetics.

(Ssangyong stuff is the exception to the above rule).

McGiver

McGiver wrote: »

Good point. But I guess for some people the "lack of steering" can be a positive. Saying that, I'd say that would apply to long distance driving people, especially motorway. Which is not me. Mostly city driving with some country driving too both relatively short where I'd say the sharp steering could be a benefit....

Oh but I read the suspension is quite hard, especially with 20 wheels, on rural roads.

I have the 19 inch wheels and don't find the suspension harsh at all except for badly broken surfaces.

The steering is fine , believe me, you'd love it and I do mostly motorway driving and find nipping in and out of gaps a pleasure with the sharp steering and handling.

You'd actually be surprised on country roads how good a balance there is between handling and ride quality, it's a pleasure to drive on back roads you do feel like you're driving.

If you can get the rex then do , the benefits are no charging queues or suffering cold battery charging at fast chargers and you don't have to reduce your speed, you can turn the rex on on the motorway and drive 120/130 and turn it back to battery for slower roads and town.

The i3 heats the battery but only when plugged in and charged to 100%, this is fine when setting off on a long trip even in the coldest of weather, by the time you need to charge it will provide max charge power but if staying away from home and have no where to plug in in winter the battery can be cold and charging take much longer.

Rex is still a lot faster than Ioniq

In fact I didn't notice the difference between the BEV 44 Kwh and 33 Kwh Rex.

Take the i3 on a long test drive and take it to to the back roads.

BTW, 11 Kw 3 phase is dead handy but you'll need to buy a 3 phase 32 amp lead.

Rear Wheel Drive also makes a big difference to grip when you need to pull out fast out of a roundabout or junction. Try that in a 40 Kwh Leaf or Kona, especially in the wet !

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

Rex is still a lot faster than Ioniq

Yeah? What's your 0-160km/h acceleration? Oh wait. It can't go that fast :pac:

For anyone interested in the real figures (not the manufacturer published figures), zeroto60times has the following stats:

i3 22kWh 6.4s
i3 22kWh REx 7.6s
i3 33kWh 6.6s
i3 33kWh REx 7.1s

Ioniq hybrid 9.1s
Ioniq PHEV 8.9s
Ioniq electric 8.4s

Linky

McGiver

McGiver wrote: »

Correct, the BEV. Rex not worth the hassle imho, defies the purpose of low-maintenance EV car. Even though mad_lad has had quite a few issues with the i3...it's still a car and can break.

Service once every 2 years regardless of mileage, that's low maintenance.

To be honest, waiting at queues at chargers is much more hassle , having the Rex = convenience not hassle + it allows you to drive much faster on the longer trips than you would normally in BEV and you won't have to suffer cold battery charging either.

Kramer

unkel wrote: »

For anyone interested in the real figures

..............................
Linky

Ioniq hybrid 9.1s 10.1s
Ioniq PHEV 8.9s 9.55s
Ioniq electric 8.4s 9.91s




Linky:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmusscyuIzM

Down under though so probably less grip - cars are upside there aren't they?

:D:D:D

ELM327

McGiver wrote: »

How is that possible? :cool:

1. P = V * I
2. 11 kW > 7 kW

1 hour AC gives roughly 38% SOC on i3 but only 25% on Ioniq.
Correct me if i'm wrong.

In one hour you get 11 kWh (lets say 10.5 after losses) in the i3
In one hour you get 7.4kWh (lets say 7 after losses) in the Ioniq


I'm saying that the 7kWh in the Ioniq will get you a similar distance that the 10.5kWh would in the i3 as the Ioniq is exponentially more efficient

Kramer

Deleted User wrote: »

waiting at queues at chargers is much more hassle , having the Rex = convenience not hassle + it allows you to drive much faster on the longer trips than you would normally in BEV and you won't have to suffer cold battery charging either.

All things of the past now Mad_Lad with multiple rapid charger hubs appearing all over the place. I'd suggest the 44kWh i3 is all anyone would need, going forward.

Rex is dead.
:P

Kramer

ELM327 wrote: »

I'm saying that the 7kWh in the Ioniq will get you a similar distance that the 10.5kWh would in the i3 as the Ioniq is exponentially more efficient

Probably on longer runs but I found the i3 very, very efficient on N roads, in traffic & around towns/urban areas. Right up there with the Ioniq in those circumstances but the Ioniq is certainly a better choice for mainly long runs with the faster CCS charging speed (Ionity for now) & efficiency.

The right tool for the job & all that.....

McGiver

ELM327 wrote:

I'm saying that the 7kWh in the Ioniq will get you a similar distance that the 10.5kWh would in the i3 as the Ioniq is exponentially more efficient

I get you now. But that's not the point.

If Ioniq had 11 kW AC it would get even Møre distance. 11 kW (and 22 kW) AC is superior to 7 kW AC. Ioniq is lacking it. You can say that it's not needed but it's better to have it than not have it. That's all.

And based on your figures Ioniq would have to be 33% more efficient than i3 which doesn't sound right - we would talking 100 Wh/km figures. 20% yes, but 33%? At what speed? At all speeds? Unlikely.

Kramer

Kramer wrote: »

All things of the past now Mad_Lad with multiple rapid charger hubs appearing all over the place. I'd suggest the 44kWh i3 is all anyone would need, going forward.

Rex is dead.
:P

Rex is dead in Europe "only" because BMW would not pay for re-certification for the 44 Kwh.

There's less of an incentive for anyone who has the Rex to use the DC chargers now with the charges coming in.

+ Rex eliminates cold battery charging + waiting charging itself.

+ op Is looking for 33 Kwh not 44 Kwh.

Gumbo

McGiver wrote: »

Was that GPS or dash speed? Driving mode (Comfort etc)?

That would give it a theoretical range of about 180km, which is very good given the circumstances.

Assuming 27.2 kW usable (apparently BMW released some of the buffer via SW/FW update and it should be around 29 kW usable, but let's ignore that)

That translates to the following:
0.149 Wh/100 km
0.186 Wh/100 km
0.188 Wh/100 km

I'd say either the 2nd or 3rd one is a measurement error or the conditions were quite different (dry/wet, wind direction, heating, cell temperature). The efficiency can't be almost the same with higher speed.

Dash speed.
I drive in comfort 100% of the time.

No error on the numbers. They were done all in succession to each other on the same
Trip in the same direction.