What did people vote for in 2016's EU membership referendum?

Kermit.de.frog

The next parliament will be a Brexit parliament - they know that and they don't want that. That would represent what the people voted for and can't have that.

They don't accept the democratic result of the referendum.

<split from the main Brexit thread and renamed. This appears to be a divisive issue, please don't let it get too salty. But otherwise, have fun you guys!>

Hurrache

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They want to make it look like they want an election.

Then they add a wrecking amendment to ensure it can't happen.

The next parliament will be a Brexit parliament - they know that and they don't want that. That would represent what the people voted for and can't have that.

They don't accept the democratic result of the referendum.

You know better than that.

Enzokk

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They want to make it look like they want an election.

Then they add a wrecking amendment to ensure it can't happen.

The next parliament will be a Brexit parliament - they know that and they don't want that. That would represent what the people voted for and can't have that.

They don't accept the democratic result of the referendum.

No, all parties are trying to have the best conditions for themselves to get the most votes. It is why Johnson wanted an election before he even negotiated a deal, because that is what was most favourable for the Tories.

You cannot now get upset when the opposition is doing the same, especially when they have the numbers to make it happen. It's not their fault Johnson removed the whip from 20 or so MPs, let him pay for his own stupidity now.

listermint

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They want to make it look like they want an election.

Then they add a wrecking amendment to ensure it can't happen.

The next parliament will be a Brexit parliament - they know that and they don't want that. That would represent what the people voted for and can't have that.

They don't accept the democratic result of the referendum.

Its clear at this point in time that you cannot keep making these announcements as fact. Youve been doing it for 2 pages. Its getting tiring.

And your circular argument about what constituted the outcome of the referendum is also boring. Can you change the record and discuss something reasonable rather than this nonsense about democratic results and i daft predictions. nearly every second post of yours has the same thing in it..... why!?

Kermit.de.frog

Hurrache wrote: »

You know better than that.

The people voted to leave the European Union.

I don't need to tell you that in the EU there is form in overturning referendums that go against the project.

This is, yet again, the long process of overturning the will of an electorate in the EU.

Thankfully the UK is not Ireland or the Netherlands or France who are told to vote again when the right answer is not given and meekly oblige.

Election in December, Tory majority, get it done.

Then everyone moves on and remainers can continue the UK's decades long psychodrama with the EU internally.

listermint

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The people voted to leave the European Union.

I don't need to tell you that in the EU there is form in overturning referendums that go against the project.

This is, yet again, the long process of overturning the will of an electorate in the EU.

Thankfully the UK is not Ireland or the Netherlands or France who are told to vote again when the right answer is not given and meekly oblige.

Election in December, Tory majority, get it done.

Then everyone moves on and remainers can continue the UK's decades long psychodrama with the EU internally.

There isnt, you have been taken to task on this several times.

Enough with this already. Yes we know you are anti- EU. Its very GD-esqeue. But will you at least keep your opinions factual.

over turning results give over.

liamtech

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The people voted to leave the European Union.

I don't need to tell you that in the EU there is form in overturning referendums that go against the project.

This is, yet again, the long process of overturning the will of an electorate in the EU.

Thankfully the UK is not Ireland or the Netherlands or France who are told to vote again when the right answer is not given and meekly oblige.

Election in December, Tory majority, get it done.

Then everyone moves on and remainers can continue the UK's decades long psychodrama with the EU internally.

Kermit why dont you admit your true position? Do us all a favor and spell it out

You hate the EU

You dont care about the damage that Brexit will do to Britain, and ireland for that matter

For you, the principle is the EU are bad - anything else is good

You agree with this guy

https://twitter.com/keithbelfast/status/834548717168492544

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DUP's Nelson McCausland in his absolute element - No plans and no cares for the people of NI. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NolanLIVE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw&quot;&gt;#NolanLIVE&lt;/a&gt; <a href="https://t.co/NgppBKIw6l">pic.twitter.com/NgppBKIw6l</a></p>&mdash; Keith "Halloween Name" Anderson (@keithbelfast) <a href="

https://twitter.com/keithbelfast/status/834548717168492544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&quot;&gt;February

22, 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js&quot; charset="utf-8"></script>

Strange bedfellows

Kermit.de.frog

listermint wrote: »

There isnt, you have been taken to task on this several times.

Enough with this already. Yes we know you are anti- EU. Its very GD-esqeue. But will you at least keep your opinions factual.

over turning results give over.

What makes you think I am anti EU?

I respect democracy. They voted to leave.

You are the one with the issue wanting to ignore the result.

The games and schenadigans by remainers in parliament won't prevent the UK leaving despite your best hopes because the UK fundamentally respects the decision of it's voters despite the malcontents in parliament trying to obstruct it and reverse it.

El Weirdo

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What makes you think I am anti EU?

I respect democracy. They voted to leave.

You are the one with the issue wanting to ignore the result.

The games and schenadigans by remainers in parliament won't prevent the UK leaving despite your best hopes because the UK fundamentally respects the decision of it's voters despite the malcontents in parliament trying to obstruct it and reverse it.

Didn't Johnson vote against May's agreement? Is he a remainer?

RobMc59

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The people voted to leave the European Union.

I don't need to tell you that in the EU there is form in overturning referendums that go against the project.

This is, yet again, the long process of overturning the will of an electorate in the EU.

Thankfully the UK is not Ireland or the Netherlands or France who are told to vote again when the right answer is not given and meekly oblige.

Election in December, Tory majority, get it done.

Then everyone moves on and remainers can continue the UK's decades long psychodrama with the EU internally.

The EU looks out for the ordinary people,not a few privileged toffs.The thought of a tory brexit with consequences like the loss of EU health and safety standards etc is truly chilling.
I hope johnson and co are defeated and consigned to oblivion along with May and Cameron.

Hurrache

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The people voted to leave the European Union.

What format of leave did they vote for?

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I don't need to tell you that in the EU there is form in overturning referendums that go against the project.

I think you do, with an example.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is, yet again, the long process of overturning the will of an electorate in the EU.

As above, what is this long process of overturning the will of an electorate?

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Thankfully the UK is not Ireland or the Netherlands or France who are told to vote again when the right answer is not given and meekly oblige.

What were we told to vote again on?

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Election in December, Tory majority, get it done.

Get what done exactly?

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Then everyone moves on and remainers can continue the UK's decades long psychodrama with the EU internally.

LOL, move on? You know not an ounce of those 2 words are true with regards to Brexit. There'll be years upon years, if not decades, of future relations and trade agreements ahead of them.

Christy42

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What makes you think I am anti EU?

I respect democracy. They voted to leave.

You are the one with the issue wanting to ignore the result.

The games and schenadigans by remainers in parliament won't prevent the UK leaving despite your best hopes because the UK fundamentally respects the decision of it's voters despite the malcontents in parliament trying to obstruct it and reverse it.

The UK has been free to leave for several years. The EU has not attempted to reverse the UK decision. They would welcome it as it would be to their benefit but the only thing stopping the UK leaving is the democratically elected parliment who have that right. Maybe they should change their constitution if they don't want parliment to have that right?

I mean why is it up to the EU to help the UK leave? Should Ghana have helped Ireland put through abortion legislation sooner?

Finally do you respect democracy? Those parlimentarians in the UK are the ultimate symbol of democracy in the UK. They were voted in based on their views and you wish to disparage it. They were voted in after Brexit referendum. In the UK they represent the view of the people. That is how their democracy works.

The SNP campaigned on remain. Should they ignore what they promised the people? Similar for Lib Dems etc.

Boris on the other campaigned on no prorogue and we can see how well he fulfilled that promise.

Tell me how

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What makes you think I am anti EU?

I respect democracy. They voted to leave.

You are the one with the issue wanting to ignore the result.

The games and schenadigans by remainers in parliament won't prevent the UK leaving despite your best hopes because the UK fundamentally respects the decision of it's voters despite the malcontents in parliament trying to obstruct it and reverse it.

If you respect democracy, what are your thoughts on the Leave campaign breaking the law in order to swing the vote to deliver a leave result?

What are your thoughts on Theresa May attempting to get her deal voted on 3 times (thus ignoring the first and second democratic votes)?

What are your thoughts on Johnson attempting to prorogue parliament thus attempting to stifle democratic practice?

What are your thoughts on the effort that has gone in to the last 3 years without being able to find a clear path forward which will most likely have influenced all observers and thus they are entitled to express their opinions once again on whether or not to leave (as originally posited by Jacob Rees-Mogg)?

Are you, like many Brexiteers, being entirely selective in your heartfelt desire to see democracy upheld?

liamtech

Hurrache wrote: »

What format of leave did they vote for?



I think you do, with an example.



As above, what is this long process of overturning the will of an electorate?



What were we told to vote again on?



Get what done exactly?



LOL, move on? You know not an ounce of those 2 words are true with regards to Brexit. There'll be years upon years, if not decades, of future relations and trade agreements ahead of them.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What makes you think I am anti EU?

I respect democracy. They voted to leave.

You are the one with the issue wanting to ignore the result.

The games and schenadigans by remainers in parliament won't prevent the UK leaving despite your best hopes because the UK fundamentally respects the decision of it's voters despite the malcontents in parliament trying to obstruct it and reverse it.

Kermit Answer the questions - lets have it - spell it out

devnull

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Thankfully the UK is not Ireland or the Netherlands or France who are told to vote again when the right answer is not given and meekly oblige.

So remind me, how many times did Theresa May make people vote again on her agreement because they didn't give the right answer?

How many times did Boris Johnson try and make people vote again for an election because they didn't give the right answer?

How many times did the Tory government force a general election before one was due because they didn't have the right maths?

How many times did Boris try and bring the same vote forward multiple times because people didn't vote on it the way he wanted first ime round?

You're just a hypocrite, in your view it's perfectly acceptable to vote on things over and over again if you lose, but if you win then you say that it should never be subject to another vote. Absloutely laughable.

Going for an election as a proxy fot the question you really want to ask the public about as you are too scared to ask the public directly as you think that you might lose is the actions of a coward who is scared to ask a question directly.

Duane Dibbley

Hurrache wrote: »

What format of leave did they vote for?

The question was clear.

The Question was "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or Leave the European Union.


ITs not as if the didn't know what they were voting for based on the question considering they were the electorate are EU citizens.

17.4 million people voted to no longer be members of the EU whether it was based intelligence or stupidity.

briany

If the UK took ten years to leave the EU, would that mean that the referendum was respected? All it said was about the UK leaving the EU, it didn't say when it had to happen by. If the UK stayed in the CU and SM, would the the referendum be respected? All it said was about leaving the EU, not the SM or CU as well.

I bet those who drafted the original referendum legislation are wishing they'd at least thought of a slightly more in-depth, nuanced question.

liamtech

Duane Dibbley wrote: »

The question was clear.

The Question was "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or Leave the European Union.


ITs not as if the didn't know what they were voting for based on the question considering they were the electorate are EU citizens.

17.4 million people voted to no longer be members of the EU whether it was based intelligence or stupidity.

The question and argument for Leaving was not clear at all

Some suggested they would stay in the CM/CU - some didnt

All suggested a deal would be a piece of P&^% which it certainly isnt

Most suggested that Brexit had nothing to do with the GFA or the Northern Border

And now ALL LEAVERS are adamant that there cannot be a second referendum - because they have been found out as being egotistical out of touch Liars who sold Unicorns to the British people, Without a dogs notion of how to deliver

I’ve been wondering what the special place in hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it safely.

- Donald Tusk

And damn right

Kermit.de.frog

Hurrache wrote: »

What format of leave did they vote for?

To leave the European Union and it's institutions. Simple. Nothing complicated.

As above, what is this long process of overturning the will of an electorate?

Pro EU leaders in collusion with the EU institutions.

The faces change, the tactics stay the same from the EU.

What were we told to vote again on?

Nice and Lisbon both overturned.

The "guarantees" (the nonsense you are presumably going to bring up) given meant NOTHING. Defence and tax are up for grabs now.

We are screwed.

Get what done exactly?

Leaving the EU. The trade talks occur AFTER the UK has left which will be an inspirational day for the rest of Europe that finally a country has not had a vote overturned.

LOL, move on? You know not an ounce of those 2 words are true with regards to Brexit. There'll be years upon years, if not decades, of future relations and trade agreements ahead of them.

Trade talks occur after UK has left. Invalid point from you because you choose to misinterpret points made.

Hurrache

Duane Dibbley wrote: »

The question was clear.

The Question was "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or Leave the European Union.


ITs not as if the didn't know what they were voting for based on the question considering they were the electorate are EU citizens.

17.4 million people voted to no longer be members of the EU whether it was based intelligence or stupidity.

Wasn't clear at all as to what they were voting for, which is the issue. You had people from the leave campaign, when the single market or customs union came up, saying that Brexit either doesn't mean leaving them, or after Brexit they'll still have access to the single market, with Hannan at one point even saying

To repeat, absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market

quokula

Duane Dibbley wrote: »

The question was clear.

The Question was "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or Leave the European Union.


ITs not as if the didn't know what they were voting for based on the question considering they were the electorate are EU citizens.

17.4 million people voted to no longer be members of the EU whether it was based intelligence or stupidity.

So they voted to leave the EU but didn't vote on how, on whether to stay in the single market or customs union etc, though many brexit campaigners regularly cited Norway as an example of what post-Brexit Britain would look like.

The Prime Minister then decided to interpret the narrow 52-48 result as a vote to abandon all related institutions rather than a vote for a Norway-style deal, so she went to the electorate in 2017 asking for a mandate to pursue this extreme form of Brexit and they didn't give it to her.

The government has ignored that and persisted in trying to pursue that extremist route ever since, and parliament has done what the people elected them to do in opposing it.

They're now going to ask for that mandate again having not gotten it in 2017, time will tell if they get it.

skallywag

My take at least was that they had to decide whether or not they wanted to remain in the EU.

Have I the wrong end of the stick?

Are you saying that the question behind the referendum was confusing, etc?

Christy42

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

To leave the European Union and it's institutions. Simple. Nothing complicated.






Pro EU leaders in collusion with the EU institutions.

The faces change, the tactics stay the same from the EU.



Nice and Lisbon both overturned.

The "guarantees" (the nonsense you are presumably going to bring up) given meant NOTHING. Defence and tax are up for grabs now.

We are screwed.





Leaving the EU. The trade talks occur AFTER the UK has left which will be an inspirational day for the rest of Europe that finally a country has not had a vote overturned.




Trade talks occur after UK has left. Invalid point from you because you choose to misinterpret points made.

Neither Lisbon or Nice were overturned.

What leave? Should they remain as part of the customs union as promised by Boris Johnson? Should they never talk to a European country? Norway deal? Canada deal? Korea deal? Switzerland deal? These questions matter and the lack of clarity from the question on this is what has caused all the issues since. It is not simple because the message was unclear. Should they remain if they can't deliver all the promised money to the nhs?

Note we still have a veto on EU decisions for things like tax and defense so it will be the choice of the democratically elected Irish government if these change. How long has it been since Nice/Lisbon. Have any of the guarantees been broken (unlike Brexit guarantees which didn't last 5 minutes after the vote).

liamtech

skallywag wrote: »

My take at least was that they had to decide whether or not they wanted to remain in the EU.

Have I the wrong end of the stick?

The discussion is on going in the Brexit thread, and i have respectfull requested that perhaps the appropriate posts be transferred over here so as not to dilute the chat on Brexit, as it stands

In my opinion they didnt know what they were voting for

• Never clear whether leaving the CM/CU was on the agenda
• Continued denials that the GFA and the Northern border would be an issue
• Lies with regard to how much the EU costs britain, with no mention of rebates or reinvestment
• Blatent careerist policies of Johnson, Patel, Gove, to name just a few

settopbox

Would you be asking this question if remain had won the referendum ?

lawred2

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Nice and Lisbon both overturned.

The "guarantees" (the nonsense you are presumably going to bring up) given meant NOTHING. Defence and tax are up for grabs now.

We are screwed.

What do you think Ireland would look like without membership of the EU?

Seriously!?

We are screwed

give over

Duane Dibbley

liamtech wrote: »

The question and argument for Leaving was not clear at all

Some suggested they would stay in the CM/CU - some didnt

All suggested a deal would be a piece of P&^% which it certainly isnt

Most suggested that Brexit had nothing to do with the GFA or the Northern Border

And now ALL LEAVERS are adamant that there cannot be a second referendum - because they have been found out as being egotistical out of touch Liars who sold Unicorns to the British people, Without a dogs notion of how to deliver

- Donald Tusk

And damn right

Do you think the reasons to remain in the EU was clear?

These voters were in the EU since 1993. They were voting on the status quo or to leave.

If the status quo doesn't suit the people of the UK then i'm not surprised the voted to leave.

liamtech

settopbox wrote: »

Would you be asking this question if remain had won the referendum ?

If remain had lied to the people, in order to push a remain vote, the Eurosceptics would be just as vocal - the difference would be that the UK wouldnt be skating on ice as thin as a piece of paper - and being told its all to the good by BoJo

IN all honesty look at the referendum and ask yourself did leave behave amicably? did they actually explain with clarity what they were proposing?

Johnson - Sided with Leave for career reasons, to make a name and end up where he is now - no 10

DUP - a chance to harden the divide between the north and the south

Patel, Gove, Mogg, et al - similar to Johnson but with the lame caveat that they were eurosceptic and were obviously gonna take there chance

All of the above are some what insulated from the Brexit related damage thats to come - unlike there voters

neris

I dont think alot of the leavers understood what they were getting into and what leave actually meant and the economic damage after.

LeinsterDub

I heard on James O'Brien in a survey of opinions people just wanted to get brexit done. Which they thought meant passing a vote in the HoC. Some where shocked into silence when they learnt it was only the start of the process.

So in answer to the question. A large number of people had, have and will continue to have no idea

Duane Dibbley

Hurrache wrote: »

Wasn't clear at all as to what they were voting for, which is the issue. You had people from the leave campaign, when the single market or customs union came up, saying that Brexit either doesn't mean leaving them, or after Brexit they'll still have access to the single market, with Hannan at one point even saying

You have people in Remain explaining what leaving the EU ment.

Its not just the Brexiteers to blame for the result.

quokula

settopbox wrote: »

Would you be asking this question if remain had won the referendum ?

If remain won the referendum narrowly and the government took that as a mandate to join the Euro then it probably would be questioned quite rightly.

So a vote to leave the EU being taken as a vote to leave the Single Market, the Customs Union, the ECHR, Euratom etc, all of which have non-EU members, should certainly be open to question.

liamtech

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Nice and Lisbon both overturned.

The "guarantees" (the nonsense you are presumably going to bring up) given meant NOTHING. Defence and tax are up for grabs now.

We are screwed.

SO in other words - you voted against Nice and Lisbon, and are sore that you had to vote again? Thats how you ended up here>? Seriously?

A slim majority in ireland had concerns, and might i say those concerns were amplified by Declan Ganley (failed pro-life Politician), along with Sinn Fein who often railed against the EU, to distinguish themselves from their cousins in FF and FG

The UNDEMOCRATIC EU EMPIRE - sat down - addressed the concerns - and we voted again - satisfied with the guarantee - we voted OVERWHELMINGLY for both

NICE
Results Votes %
Yes 906,317 62.89%
No 534,887 37.11%
Valid votes 1,441,204 99.63%
Invalid or blank votes 5,384 0.37%
Total votes 1,446,588 100.00%

Lisbon
Results Votes %
Yes 1,214,268 67.13%
No 594,606 32.87%
Valid votes 1,808,874 99.60%
Invalid or blank votes 7,224 0.40%
Total votes 1,816,098 100.00%

Tell me how

settopbox wrote: »

Would you be asking this question if remain had won the referendum ?

That's a very fair point.

But, Farage, for one, said that a 52%/48% in favour of remaining would not have been game over by a long way.

Here are some of the main reasons why I think a 2nd referendum at this point could be considered in support of democracy rather than undermining it.

• Very significant attempts have gone in to finding a deal which is agreeable and have thus far failed.
• 3 Years of the most involved political discussion of many of ours lifetimes have undoubtedly made people more informed.
• If Brexit happens in 2020, no one born in the 21st century will have voted for it to come about.
• Vote Leave advocate groups were found to have broken the law.
• Micro targeting of voters based on illegally sourced data (cambridge analytica) was used to target a number of voters greater than the margin of victory
• Very evocative advertising such as £250M per week for the NHS was found to be completely false.
• Th biggest stumbling block to delivering Brexit, the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland was completely ignored ahead of the vote in 2016 and it is impossible to believe that if the arguments of the last 12 months or so (since the backstop was suggested in a real way) that it would not have influenced many to vovte differently.
• The narrative before the vote about 'easiest deal in history', 'first call will not be to Brussels but to Berlin', 'the German car makers and French wine producers will be crying out to deal with us' was debunked in a manner so comprehensively that it is not even a matter of debate for the last 3 years

Kermit.de.frog

This thread (which I didn't start btw) should be titled "The UK voted to leave the EU"

Just to clear it up for the confused in advance :rolleyes:

Tell me how

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This thread (which I didn't start btw) should be titled "The UK voted to leave the EU"

Just to clear it up for the confused in advance :rolleyes:

Ok, First question, what version of leave did they vote for?

I could leave my house in the morning to do one of the following.

• Go to work.
• To never come back.
• To escape a fire by jumping from the top floor window.

All would honour the statement of 'leaving the house' but under entirely different circumstance and outcomes. It is entirely relevant to ask what manner and purpose I had in leaving.

Kermit.de.frog

They voted to leave all the institutions of the European Union.

It's really not complicated.

Mr.Nice Guy

liamtech wrote: »

SO in other words - you voted against Nice and Lisbon, and are sore that you had to vote again? Thats how you ended up here>? Seriously?

A slim majority in ireland had concerns, and might i say those concerns were amplified by Declan Ganley (failed pro-life Politician), along with Sinn Fein who often railed against the EU, to distinguish themselves from their cousins in FF and FG

The UNDEMOCRATIC EU EMPIRE - sat down - addressed the concerns - and we voted again - satisfied with the guarantee - we voted OVERWHELMINGLY for both

This is a revisionist narrative. In reality the public voted No and then our government decided out of convenience and self-interest that everyone who voted No was concerned merely about neutrality and abortion. There were very valid concerns about sovereignty that were never addressed because it didn't fit the agenda. What followed then was 'Project Fear' before the term became fashionable, and a bunch of scare stories about a two-speed EU that would emerge if the original vote of the Irish people were respected.

And as can be said about supporters of another referendum on Brexit, the people who supported a second referendum on Nice, Lisbon would NOT have supported one had the votes gone the other way, and we all know it. Justify that in whatever mental gymnastics suffice, but it boils down to 'we respect democracy provided the vote goes the way we like'.

I agree with Kermit that the best thing now is to get this Brexit issue sorted. They voted the way they did so let them get on with it. The French attitude has been correct in wanting to help Johnson get it over the line because it is better for the EU 27 that the UK goes on its own way and sorts out its identity issues on its own time.

Tell me how

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They voted to leave all the institutions of the European Union.

It's really not complicated.

Oh so they wanted to leave the single market?
They wanted to leave the customs union?
They understood the implication for Northern Ireland businesses and the exact solution which would be implemented after Leaving?

Would you say yes to the above or agree it actually is a lot more complicated?

Kermit.de.frog

Tell me how wrote: »

Oh so they wanted to leave the single market?
They wanted to leave the customs union?
They understood the implication for Northern Ireland businesses and the exact solution which would be implemented after Leaving?

Would you say yes to the above or agree it actually is a lot more complicated?

They voted to leave the European Union that also means, by definition, leaving the CU and SM.

A solution has been agreed for the north so not sure what the point is.

Hurrache

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They voted to leave all the institutions of the European Union.

It's really not complicated.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They voted to leave the European Union that also means, by definition, leaving the CU and SM.
.

The thread is pretty short so it wasn't hard to miss, but I posted a quote from a member of the government party who said, amongst others,

Hannan -

To repeat, absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market

Owen Patterson -

Only a madman would actually leave the market

So what is it, they said the'll be leaving all institutions, or staying in some of them?

Kermit.de.frog

Hurrache wrote: »

So what is it, they said the'll be leaving all institutions, or staying in some of them?

The question was whether or not to leave the European Union.

They voted to leave thus that means the SM and CU.

Ignorance can not be legislated for any minority of voters who did not bother educating themselves.

The majority voted to leave.

Just accept it and move on.

Tell me how

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They voted to leave the European Union that also means, by definition, leaving the CU and SM.

A solution has been agreed for the north so not sure what the point is.

Why did a solution have to be agreed?

I thought everything was simple and straightforward after the referendum delivered a Leave vote.

Are you accepting it wasn't that simple?

Robert McGrath

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The question was whether or not to leave the European Union.

They voted to leave thus that means the SM and CU.

Ignorance can not be legislated for any minority of voters who did not bother educating themselves.

The majority voted to leave.

Just accept it and move on.

But if non-EU members can be in the SM or CU, then surely leaving the EU does not automatically mean leaving the SM and CU? Your characterisation that leaving the EU means “by definition” leaving the CU and SM is therefore incorrect?

Hurrache

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The question was whether or not to leave the European Union.

They voted to leave thus that means the SM and CU.

Ignorance can not be legislated for any minority of voters who did not bother educating themselves.

The majority voted to leave.

Just accept it and move on.

People were told in the campaign that their place in the single market or customs union wasn't under threat. You're a contradiction.

skallywag

Hurrache wrote: »

People were told in the campaign that their place in the single market or customs union wasn't under threat.

Are you really sure about that? i.e. the leave campaign told their supporters that they would be staying in the SM/CU? That's not how I remember it anyway ...

Hurrache

skallywag wrote: »

Are you really sure about that? i.e. the leave campaign told their supporters that they would be staying in the SM/CU? That's not how I remember it anyway ...

I even gave you the names of the people and their exact quotes.

Kermit.de.frog

Hurrache wrote: »

People were told in the campaign that their place in the single market or customs union wasn't under threat. You're a contradiction.

Not at all.

They voted to leave the EU and so they leave the economic zone of the bloc. Again very simple.

I suspect you are a europhile and I understand you are absolutely terrified of the democratic vote in the UK being respected because when the UK is successfully and doing perfectly fine outside the EU pressure will come first and foremost on us here as to how we see our future.

A lot of things were said during the referendum.

The most important thing said was "we will carry out your wishes" afterward.

Get on with it. Respect the democratic vote.

Remainers can make their own arguments to rejoin afterward.

quokula

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They voted to leave all the institutions of the European Union.

It's really not complicated.

Pretty sure that was not on the ballot paper.

skallywag

Hurrache wrote: »

I even gave you the names of the people and their exact quotes.

A couple of quotes is just what it is, a couple of quotes.

There were many others who made no secret of their desire to leave such institutions completely, and renegotiate from the off.

Kermit.de.frog

quokula wrote: »

Pretty sure that was not on the ballot paper.

You are all in denial. It's humorous how hard you all try to ignore the democratic vote in 2016.

They were asked whether the UK should leave the EU.



No if's or but's there. Quite straight forward.

(they picked the latter option)