IFA presidential election

Siamsa Sessions

Hi all,

Is there any interest in a thread on the IFA presidential election?

I'm a true democrat and am not affiliated with any candidate so there's no ulterior motive here.

My only thinking is that someone from high up in IFA might see something on such a thread that might hit home. I was a hustings event (think that's what they're called) last night and the three candidates spoke and answered questions. The two fellas going for deputy did the same.

It was all very much same-old-story stuff. One guy from the floor said he should have recorded what was said at the first presidential election debate he attended 25 years ago, and just played that for everyone every four years coz they all said the same thing.

If you've been at any such hustings, did any of the candidates stand out?

Or does it matter at all who is president of the IFA in 2020?

_Brian

IFA should be funded via subscriptions only.

The current funding model removes them from the will and interest of most farmers and as a result they represent a select few “genuine farmers” I think is what they call them.

Maybe if the salaries represented the subscriptions of members there would be less interest in jumping onto the gravy train.

My father was a member up to his passing and when my mother rang shortly after looking for advice she was insulted by an IFA rep.

They have been corrupted by the easy money stream they secured in the levis.

wrangler

_Brian wrote: »

IFA should be funded via subscriptions only.

The current funding model removes them from the will and interest of most farmers and as a result they represent a select few “genuine farmers” I think is what they call them.

Maybe if the salaries represented the subscriptions of members there would be less interest in jumping onto the gravy train.

My father was a member up to his passing and when my mother rang shortly after looking for advice she was insulted by an IFA rep.

They have been corrupted by the easy money stream they secured in the levis.

You should work for IFA and you'd see where the gravy train is. Rubbish expenses for twenty years and you then have a one in three chance of getting on the so called gravy train if you want to be President........sell your soul for four years for a rubbish salary.
Most officers are same as me , never got further than rubbish expenses
Is it any wonder I've adopted a ****'em attitude.
If it is as you say then we're only in the halfpenny place to the public service

wrangler

_Brian wrote: »

IFA should be funded via subscriptions only.

The current funding model removes them from the will and interest of most farmers and as a result they represent a select few “genuine farmers” I think is what they call them.

Maybe if the salaries represented the subscriptions of members there would be less interest in jumping onto the gravy train.

My father was a member up to his passing and when my mother rang shortly after looking for advice she was insulted by an IFA rep.

They have been corrupted by the easy money stream they secured in the levis.

Sure I'm insulted by your comments here...... does that not count ,
you're implying I'm corrupt without any proof......... sad too

wrangler

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Hi all,

Is there any interest in a thread on the IFA presidential election?

I'm a true democrat and am not affiliated with any candidate so there's no ulterior motive here.

My only thinking is that someone from high up in IFA might see something on such a thread that might hit home. I was a hustings event (think that's what they're called) last night and the three candidates spoke and answered questions. The two fellas going for deputy did the same.

It was all very much same-old-story stuff. One guy from the floor said he should have recorded what was said at the first presidential election debate he attended 25 years ago, and just played that for everyone every four years coz they all said the same thing.

If you've been at any such hustings, did any of the candidates stand out?

Or does it matter at all who is president of the IFA in 2020?

President makes no difference, the way forward will be decided by the various commitees,
To be able to think on their feet and be articulate in front of the media would be what would swing my vote

Siamsa Sessions

wrangler wrote: »

President makes no difference, the way forward will be decided by the various commitees

I was kinda thinking this myself too. President doesn't need to be a technical specialist in any farm area as that's what the committees are for, albeit they seem to be overly influenced by permanent staffers who sit in on meetings "to advise"

wrangler wrote: »

To be able to think on their feet and be articulate in front of the media would be what would swing my vote

Couldn't say any of the lads last night stood out then. I mean no disrespect to any of them, but anyone with experience or a flare for public speaking would wipe the floor with them.

Bass Reeves

Well we have one presidential candidate suggesting flying calves out of the country via Shannon Airport. is the plan for the American troops could shoot them before dumping the bodies at sea. Practice for getting rid if ISIS and al-Qaeda leaders.

Another one complaining about timing of beef protest's being wrong when did he think was a right time

wrangler

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

I was kinda thinking this myself too. President doesn't need to be a technical specialist in any farm area as that's what the committees are for, albeit they seem to be overly influenced by permanent staffers who sit in on meetings "to advise"



Couldn't say any of the lads last night stood out then. I mean no disrespect to any of them, but anyone with experience or a flare for public speaking would wipe the floor with them.

I'd agree there, angus doesn't have much experience and the other two don't impress me either,
Working for farmers now is a poisoned chalice, there won't be too many competing for it

wrangler

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Well we have one presidential candidate suggesting flying calves out of the country via Shannon Airport. is the plan for the American troops could shoot them before dumping the bodies at sea. Practice for getting rid if ISIS and al-Qaeda leaders.

Another one complaining about timing of beef protest's being wrong when did he think was a right time

He said there was no point to the protest, which proved to be right.
Farmers will have to get their head around the fact that only about 20% of our beef stays in the country and getting the supermarkets here to agree to share out the margin isn't worth a damn

Siamsa Sessions

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Well we have one presidential candidate suggesting flying calves out of the country via Shannon Airport. is the plan for the American troops could shoot them before dumping the bodies at sea. Practice for getting rid if ISIS and al-Qaeda leaders.

Another one complaining about timing of beef protest's being wrong when did he think was a right time

That guy mentioned flying them out of the country again last night! He wasn't really pushing it but said we needed to consider such lateral thinking (or something like that)

Re the protests: the three were asked specifically about it and none of them backed it fully. It was the very end of the Q&A (around 11.30pm) so I was drifting off to sleep but I think two said the timing was wrong and the 3rd guy made some similar noises.

Bass Reeves

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

That guy mentioned flying them out of the country again last night! He wasn't really pushing it but said we needed to consider such lateral thinking (or something like that)

Re the protests: the three were asked specifically about it and none of them backed it fully. It was the very end of the Q&A (around 11.30pm) so I was drifting off to sleep but I think two said the timing was wrong and the 3rd guy made some similar noises.

They are speaking to the larger farmers.

wrangler

Bass Reeves wrote: »

They are speaking to the larger farmers.

That's a bit sad too, I see farmers around here getting €7000+/yr in schemes.......a nice top up on their salary from the buildings and they're small farms.
Those schemes are all instigated by IFA

Bullocks

wrangler wrote: »

That's a bit sad too, I see farmers around here getting €7000+/yr in schemes.......a nice top up on their salary from the buildings and they're small farms.
Those schemes are all instigated by IFA

Are they really instigated by the IFA? What about the dept of ag, other farm groups, MEPS and Europe?
If its all down to the IFA do you know what scheme they intend to bring in next cos I'm out of AEOS this year and my salary could do with topping up again

wrangler

Bullocks wrote: »

Are they really instigated by the IFA? What about the dept of ag, other farm groups, MEPS and Europe?
If its all down to the IFA do you know what scheme they intend to bring in next cos I'm out of AEOS this year and my salary could do with topping up again

Do you not get GLAS, that'll be enough for ya or the increase in ANC or the increase it the Income tax allowance, 'tis too well off y'are.
Think of this poor pensioner here.....:rolleyes:

alps

_Brian wrote: »

Maybe if the salaries represented the subscriptions of members there would be less interest in jumping onto the gravy train.

They have been corrupted by the easy money stream they secured in the levis.

Can you tease this out a little? What salaries? Outside of staff, how many people are paid?

Who running for any election gets paid?

I can only find 2 members after successful election become full time paid officers. I have an idea of salaries but not sure, at a level to cover the level of input hours and replacement at home...

Anyone else gets travelling expenses.....is there "gravy" in having your travel expenses reimbursed?

_Brian

alps wrote: »

Can you tease this out a little? What salaries? Outside of staff, how many people are paid?

Who running for any election gets paid?

I can only find 2 members after successful election become full time paid officers. I have an idea of salaries but not sure, at a level to cover the level of input hours and replacement at home...

Anyone else gets travelling expenses.....is there "gravy" in having your travel expenses reimbursed?

The income should be limited to subscriptions, salaries and expenses paid from whatever is collected. Increase the subscription if needed.
Farmers can vote with their feed and the IFA would listen as the money would go with the farmers if the IFA aren’t representing them.

_Brian

wrangler wrote: »

Sure I'm insulted by your comments here...... does that not count ,
you're implying I'm corrupt without any proof......... sad too

Classic post, comparing yourself to a 68 yo woman recently widowed.

“What would you expect from a dog only a bite”

alps

_Brian wrote: »

The income should be limited to subscriptions, salaries and expenses paid from whatever is collected. Increase the subscription if needed.
Farmers can vote with their feed and the IFA would listen as the money would go with the farmers if the IFA aren’t representing them.

Gravy trains ? That was the suggestion...where are the gravy trains?

Trouble is that you can tout that often enough that it becomes this undisputed fact.....its tactless...rubbish..

Your point of confining income to subscription holds merit to the point that there will ever and always be an issue about collecting levies at a factory...they need to be brave and reconsider this route of funding..

wrangler

_Brian wrote: »

Classic post, comparing yourself to a 68 yo woman recently widowed.

“What would you expect from a dog only a bite”

I'm 67 yo that's fed up of unsupported allegations, yours is an unsupported criticism about an IFA rep.
I had complaint about an IFA rep concerning a BSE case I was involved with, it was claimed he wasn't helpful when the true story was he contacted them saying they were there for them for advice, support etc and the farmer never came back to them. In a case like that they never intrude but make sure the farmer knows they are available, some people are very proud and don't want help from strangers. so don't tell me about IFA officers being criticised unfairly........ and untruthfully
It's sad and pathetic the accusations leveled at IFA officer,

Sheep breeder

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Well we have one presidential candidate suggesting flying calves out of the country via Shannon Airport. is the plan for the American troops could shoot them before dumping the bodies at sea. Practice for getting rid if ISIS and al-Qaeda leaders.

Another one complaining about timing of beef protest's being wrong when did he think was a right time

Which one was talking about flying calves out of Shannon.

Siamsa Sessions

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Which one was talking about flying calves out of Shannon.

Tim Cullinan. But he didn’t mention Shannon. Think Bass is just making a point. Or maybe he’s being serious???

Bullocks

wrangler wrote: »

Do you not get GLAS, that'll be enough for ya or the increase in ANC or the increase it the Income tax allowance, 'tis too well off y'are.
Think of this poor pensioner here.....:rolleyes:

I'll never be too well off haha . Poor pensioner like yourself is probably better off than me slaving away in the buildings and then slaving away at home in the evenings and weekends .

Dunedin

wrangler wrote: »

have a one in three chance of getting on the so called gravy train if you want to be President........sell your soul for four years for a rubbish salary.
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1 in 3 isn’t a bad auld chance. Rubbish salary and IFA president is like saying ketchup should never be had with chips.

Dinzee Conlee

Dunedin wrote: »

1 in 3 isn’t a bad auld chance. Rubbish salary and IFA president is like saying ketchup should never be had with chips.

What is the salary out of interest?

Tisnt a job I’d like, but I prefer the quiet life...

Just to be devils advocate, what if I said you could have a job that pays you every year, and you don’t have to do anything. You don’t even have to turn up...
Well - that’s how a lot of people view the SFP / BPM...

Coonagh

President salary 120K/pa and has to return FBD board fee to the association.
Deputy 30k/pa.

Gross salary of course.

Bass Reeves

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Tim Cullinan. But he didn’t mention Shannon. Think Bass is just making a point. Or maybe he’s being serious???

According to the FI yesterday he did mention Shannon

Maybe he is hoping the US will start a war with Iran early next year. All US troops will get a calf to shoot and dump out of a plane on the way to Iran. 150-200k troops going to war might solve the issue for next year

However we could have Mick Wallace and Claire Daly protesting to save the Fr bull calf.nIf there an general election and the greens get into power Eamon Ryan will not know which side to go with, the US army solving a greenhouse gas issue or protesting against the US army using Shannon.

Would this be considered rendition and be taken to the human (sorry bovine) rights court of Justice

This IFA election is as good as the Muppets show

aphextwit

A Modest Proposal.

kevthegaff

Lad near my homepage going to run, he seems pretty good. My first IFA meeting a month ago and he seems very able with tons of experience. From North Tipperary

toleratethis

Bass Reeves wrote: »

This IFA election is as good as the Muppets show

An awful slur


Against the muppet show.

wrangler

toleratethis wrote: »

An awful slur


Against the muppet show.

another pathetic comment...... sad again

Farming is the joke now

toleratethis

wrangler wrote: »

another pathetic comment...... sad again

Farming is the joke now

I would expect nothing less from you.

wrangler

toleratethis wrote: »

I would expect nothing less from you.

Says you after your childish schoolyard comment.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Mod note: Move it along, folks, if you want the thread to remain open.

And wind you're necks back in a bit, all of you.

Keep it civil and above the belt or find somewhere else to post. We WILL remain civil, the choice of whether you're allowed remain in the conversation or not is totally yours to make.

Buford T. Justice

Base price

I've only got a chance to read this thread as I was flat out trying to get dung spread in the last two days.

I agree with Brian and Alps about IFA's future funding. As some posters will know I've always been against the EIF levy particularly the underhanded way that it was implemented at the time of it's inception - the vast majority of farmers either didn't know what it was for and didn't understand/realise that it was a voluntary deduction/contribution.
Love them or hate them but I will continue to pay our IFA subs.

whelan2

Base price wrote: »

I've only got a chance to read this thread as I was flat out trying to get dung spread in the last two days.

I agree with Brian and Alps about IFA's future funding. As some posters will know I've always been against the EIF levy particularly the underhanded way that it was implemented at the time of it's inception - the vast majority of farmers either didn't know what it was for and didn't understand/realise that it was a voluntary deduction/contribution.
Love them or hate them but I will continue to pay our IFA subs.

I paid my membership fee. I think it was 145 for a couple. We got 160 off our fbd premium during to our IFA membership so fee reimbursed

Base price

whelan2 wrote: »

I paid my membership fee. I think it was 145 for a couple. We got 160 off our fbd premium during to our IFA membership so fee reimbursed

Don't start me about FBD Insurance :mad:. I think it's prudent to leave comments about FBD farm insurance to the various F&F farm insurance threads.

wrangler

Base price wrote: »

I've only got a chance to read this thread as I was flat out trying to get dung spread in the last two days.

I agree with Brian and Alps about IFA's future funding. As some posters will know I've always been against the EIF levy particularly the underhanded way that it was implemented at the time of it's inception - the vast majority of farmers either didn't know what it was for and didn't understand/realise that it was a voluntary deduction/contribution.
Love them or hate them but I will continue to pay our IFA subs.

People should be allowed support organisations without the constant heckling, the same heckling does no good for farming and the politicians are only delighted with it.
The present subs probably won't sustain the present level of representation but they have a good bit of money and will probably last as long as I want them.
Judging IFA on the european price of beef is a handy out for the knockers because they know nothing can be achieved, the market will determine price, like it or lump it

Base price

wrangler wrote: »

People should be allowed support organisations without the constant heckling, the same heckling does no good for farming and the politicians are only delighted with it.
The present subs probably won't sustain the present level of representation but they have a good bit of money and will probably last as long as I want them.
Judging IFA on the european price of beef is a handy out for the knockers because they know nothing can be achieved, the market will determine price, like it or lump it

Agree with you on beef prices. In fairness in our day there wasn't any heckling but times have changed and people should have the right of choice.

whelan2

Our vote is on Monday . Will vote , dont know who for yet.

blue5000

Mod note Threads merged.

Dakota Dan

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

That guy mentioned flying them out of the country again last night! He wasn't really pushing it but said we needed to consider such lateral thinking (or something like that)

Re the protests: the three were asked specifically about it and none of them backed it fully. It was the very end of the Q&A (around 11.30pm) so I was drifting off to sleep but I think two said the timing was wrong and the 3rd guy made some similar noises.

Which guy was that?

Dakota Dan

whelan2 wrote: »

I paid my membership fee. I think it was 145 for a couple. We got 160 off our fbd premium during to our IFA membership so fee reimbursed

Hmm, I have my wife and myself paid up and FBD refused to give a full refund on house and farm insurance, they'd only allow €75 off :mad: I moved from them and have the insurance for half of FBD's price.

wrangler

Jjameson wrote: »

Ours is on Thursday. I’ll be voting for Tim Cullinan and Brian Rushe. Both are at least making the right noises for rebuilding a united front.

I'm voting for Rushe and Woods, Woods is the favourite with the bookies.
It was a rebel vote that put in Healy, If that happens again Cullinan should get it for going against IFA in the protests.
As I say presidents have no influence so won't be too worried who gets in

Siamsa Sessions

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Which guy was that?

Tim Cullinan was the one talking about flying them out of the country.

I’ll vote Tues night but not sure who I’ll vote for yet.

Hard to tell the difference between most of them and none inspire confidence.

Whether it’s possible or not, none of the 5 president or deputy president candidates will make much change to the organisation. They all talk about the trimmings

cute geoge

wrangler wrote: »

I'm voting for Rushe and Woods, Woods is the favourite with the bookies.
It was a rebel vote that put in Healy, If that happens again Cullinan should get it for going against IFA in the protests.
As I say presidents have no influence so won't be too worried who gets in

Imo who we need is someone that is a good debater and is media savvy .In fairness Joe Healy came across good at expressing his opinions ,is woods something similar at debating .I have not heard the other 2 ever at all on the tv.
IFA have given us a fair share of buffoons so hopefully that wont happen

Dakota Dan

cute geoge wrote: »

Imo who we need is someone that is a good debater and is media savvy .In fairness Joe Healy came across good at expressing his opinions ,is woods something similar at debating .I have not heard the other 2 ever at all on the tv.
IFA have given us a fair share of buffoons so hopefully that wont happen

Coughlan is in my area, I've know of him with years seems a good candidate plus he's the only candidate I know, never heard of the rest or the sky over them.

ruwithme

Would other i.f.a members on here who intend to vote have trust in the voting system in place for presidential election ?

Siamsa Sessions

cute geoge wrote: »

Imo who we need is someone that is a good debater and is media savvy .In fairness Joe Healy came across good at expressing his opinions ,is woods something similar at debating .I have not heard the other 2 ever at all on the tv.
IFA have given us a fair share of buffoons so hopefully that wont happen

Agree 100% on the media savvy bit. Farmers need a lover not a fighter. I’ll probably go for Woods too the more I think about it. With all due respect, beef and sheep farmers need more representation than dairy (John Coughlan) at the moment and you’d have to wonder why an IFA staffer (Tim Cullinan) has waited til now to open his mouth on how sh*te things are

Dakota Dan

ruwithme wrote: »

Would other i.f.a members on here who intend to vote have trust in the voting system in place for presidential election ?

As in it's rigged?
All I know is that if you attend the presidential election you could very easily get bulldozed into a prime position, :mad: It's a bit like this .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylgV8OyTIFg

Birdnuts

I believe none of them performed particularly well up in Leitrim last week - didn't seem to grasp or appreciate any of the issues facing farmers on marginal lands like the vulture funds putting vast areas of land under industrial spruce plantations, a fairer CAP for environmental services etc.

wrangler

Birdnuts wrote: »

I believe none of them performed particularly well up in Leitrim last week - didn't seem to grasp or appreciate any of the issues facing farmers on marginal lands like the vulture funds putting vast areas of land under industrial spruce plantations, a fairer CAP for environmental services etc.

That's why it's important to have proper driven farmers on the commitees, Presidents have enough to do, they can't be on every issue.