Isis terrorists connected to Galway

biko

https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-bay-fm-news-desk/two-nui-galway-medical-students-died-fighting-for-islamic-state/

Two NUI Galway medical students died fighting for Islamic State
By GBFM News -27 October 2019

Galway Bay fm newsroom – It’s been revealed that two students studying medicine at NUI Galway died fighting for Islamic State in Syria and Iraq.

According to the Sunday Times, the two trainee doctors travelled together on the same bus from Galway to Dublin in September 2013 on the way to join the Jihadist group.

Mustapha al-Hayani, a graduate of NUI Galway’s medical programme, and Tariq Mohainuteen, a visiting Malaysian student, are believed to have become radicalised while in Galway

There is just no escaping these nutters

Fann Linn

At least they're dead.

Beechwoodspark

That is scary

Gatling

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

That is scary

And I doubt if anyone knows how many from here actually went and joined Isis and how many will return

Beechwoodspark

Dirty filthy b*******s

El_Duderino 09

biko wrote: »

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There is just no escaping these nutters

You can’t escape them? Did something happen to you?

Fann Linn

Fann Linn wrote: »

At least they're dead.

And many more like them to follow hopefully. Vermin.

skooterblue2

Really we need to ask questions why are we educating other countries doctors.
Are we getting the correct student doctor calibre in?
What is happening to Irish Doctors and medical students?
These are the real issues.

Donald Trump

You'd fit a fair few explosive vests under an oul' Macnas costume if you were so inclined.

Tot he poster above - why are we educating other country's doctors? We aren't. We're educating doctors that have no obligation to work in Ireland regardless of whether they are born in Bahrain or Ballina.

Why are we accepting foreign medical students? They subsidize the Irish ones' education by paying full whack and more.

Mules

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Really we need to ask questions why are we educating other countries doctors.
Are we getting the correct student doctor calibre in?
What is happening to Irish Doctors and medical students?
These are the real issues.

The colleges get a lot of money from foreign students. The Irish doctors go off abroad to work in less crowded hospitals. Can't blame them for that but imo we shouldn't be paying for their education unless we get some use out of them.

fly_agaric

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Really we need to ask questions why are we educating other countries doctors.

Not certain but I think the medical schools do it because like alot of things in Ireland they are run on the cheap (as regards govt. funding), and need the massive non EU student fees paid by rich arabs and the like. Before they can educate doctors for Ireland (should be their primary purpose IMO), they need money to keep running.

Gatling

And to think the people of outerard ,Achill and borrisokane are being told not to worry about the young economic migrants being dumped on them

Salary Negotiator

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Really we need to ask questions why are we educating other countries doctors.
Are we getting the correct student doctor calibre in?
What is happening to Irish Doctors and medical students?
These are the real issues.

Without those fees we probably couldn’t educate our own doctors.

Non-EU students are a massive cash cow to Irish Universities.

skooterblue2

Donald Trump wrote: »

You'd fit a fair few explosive vests under an oul' Macnas costume if you were so inclined.

Tot he poster above - why are we educating other country's doctors? We aren't. We're educating doctors that have no obligation to work in Ireland regardless of whether they are born in Bahrain or Ballina.

Why are we accepting foreign medical students? They subsidize the Irish ones' education by paying full whack and more.

We are educating at great expense and drain to Irish society Doctors who have no obligation to the Irish State. We have our our students busing themselves to hit 560 points while we are taking in student doctors whose fathers thought it would be a good idea for them to be doctors. My own GP hates his job. I see it everyday in his face. Dont believe me? The Surgery is ALWAYS empty before and after I leave and he always keeps me for a chat. Every other surgery in the town is bustling.

skooterblue2

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

Without those fees we probably couldn’t educate our own doctors.

Non-EU students are a massive cash cow to Irish Universities.

We did before and we can again. Its the same as the Irish Bloodstock industry. We are exporting the best and getting in ...... well the courts and legal settlements speak for themselves.

skooterblue2

Gatling wrote: »

And to think the people of outerard ,Achill and borrisokane are being told not to worry about the young economic migrants being dumped on them

But but but but ...... they are all doctors lawyers, engineers, geologists, scientists, physicists, pharmacists, surgeons, etc etc

4068ac1elhodqr

The Doctors/Int'l Uni fees thing really is a seperate issue. Many Uni's make a fortune from Chinese & Indian folks, who do well and end up even outperforming the natives.

The quote from the OP states: "become radicalised while in Galway"
Thus, they may not have arrived with bad intentions, maybe the future City of Culture put too much (bad) culture upon them?

Guess the same could be said for Dundalk, after a similar incident (home grown radicalisation) landed an Irish lady in a pickle, abroad.
It's no good having a bouncer at the door, if already inside the club, very bad hombres are leading people astray, unnoticed.

fly_agaric

skooterblue2 wrote: »

We are educating at great expense and drain to Irish society Doctors who have no obligation to the Irish State. We have our our students busing themselves to hit 560 points while we are taking in student doctors whose fathers thought it would be a good idea for them to be doctors.

Yes, as you said Irish students have to "bust" themselves/be in the top 1 % academically for the rationed places. The country is also quite short of doctors now and has tried desperately to lure them from the 3rd world.

It is a stupid false economy by the government, we are not a poor country any more. We can afford to educate our own doctors and lock foreigners (edit: certainly non EU foreigners) out of medical education here unless there's a few places left over or something after our own needs are filled...<gets down off hobby horse, sorry thread is supposed to be about ISIS Galway Branch or something!>

fly_agaric

Jeremias Round Skin wrote: »

The quote from the OP states: "become radicalised while in Galway"

unfortunately you can now be "radicalised" any where on earth at any time of the day given an open mind and an open internet connection.

4068ac1elhodqr

fly_agaric wrote: »

unfortunately you can now be "radicalised" any where on earth at any time of the day given an open mind and an open internet connection.

In reality, chances are actually as with the case with LisaS, that they attended venues and rmeetings, whereby they were 'persuaded and pressured' into a crazy ideology and belief system in a 'direct person-to-person' method.

If you want to teach a cat how to play lol piano, or how to lay laminate flooring, then yes, sure uTube is handy for that.
Highly Unlikely it alters mindsets of inteligent capable individuals after a bit of browsing.

And thinking such, only highlights the ignorance surrounding the issue.

Sir Oxman

So, they'e dead.
That's not the story IMO.
Is there any focus on how/who radicalised them especially if within the country?

1641

Jeremias Round Skin wrote: »

In reality, chances are actually as with the case with LisaS, that they attended venues and rmeetings, whereby they were 'persuaded and pressured' into a crazy ideology and belief system in a 'direct person-to-person' method.

If you want to teach a cat how to play lol piano, or how to lay laminate flooring, then yes, sure uTube is handy for that.
Highly Unlikely it alters mindsets of inteligent capable individuals after a bit of browsing.

And thinking such, only highlights the ignorance surrounding the issue.

I don't think the full details of Smith's radicalisation are known (or made public anyway) but the main link seems to with a US citizen, John Gorgelas, aka, Yahya al-Bahrumi, who she met online before travelling to see him in Turkey (I think). Plenty of radicalisation takes place online. As, I am sure, plenty happens directly.



https://extra.ie/2019/07/21/news/irish-news/radicalised-isis-bride-lisa-smith


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahya_al-Bahrumi

The "radicals" use Ireland as a handy platform with the Common Travel Area with the UK. Wonder if it's only my town that has a few "Indian" takeaways that do no business but stay open nonetheless.

1641

1641 wrote: »

I don't think the full details of Smith's radicalisation are known (or made public anyway) but the main link seems to with a US citizen, John Gorgelas, aka, Yahya al-Bahrumi, who she met online before travelling to see him in Turkey (I think). Plenty of radicalisation takes place online. As, I am sure, plenty happens directly.



https://extra.ie/2019/07/21/news/irish-news/radicalised-isis-bride-lisa-smith


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahya_al-Bahrumi

Local knowledge would say it started well before that.

1641

Deleted User wrote: »

Local knowledge would say it started well before that.

Not aware of local knowledge. Is this conversion or radicalisation?

Hal3000

Dept of Justice would probably try and bring them back to Ireland if they weren’t dead.

skooterblue2

Hal3000 wrote: »

Dept of Justice would probably try and bring them back to Ireland if they weren’t dead.

Knowing the DoFA that isnt ruled out yet. Is the Government jet available or is the MATS still up on cinder blocks?

expectationlost

Sir Oxman wrote: »

So, they'e dead.
That's not the story IMO.
Is there any focus on how/who radicalised them especially if within the country?

Lisa Smith, a former member of the Irish Defence Forces who converted to Islam, told journalists from a refugee camp in northern Syria that she knew of an Isis member from Galway in Raqqa.


The man, who is reported to have held an important position in the terror group, is believed to have been influential in the radicalisation of the two younger students.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/isis-martyrs-radicalised-as-medical-students-in-galway-qxpk2qw5t

Mules

It's mad that people are now getting radicalised in Ireland. If these two fellas were normal when they left home, then they didn't became Islamic extremists until they moved to a Christian country!

SporadicMan

Crazy, imagine these two lads graduated and were giving medical advice / operating on your Mam.

Who knows, on a bad day when they were particularly angry at the non-believers, we could've had some Irish victims quietly being done in by poor medical assistance.

fly_agaric

Jeremias Round Skin wrote: »

In reality, chances are actually as with the case with LisaS, that they attended venues and rmeetings, whereby they were 'persuaded and pressured' into a crazy ideology and belief system in a 'direct person-to-person' method.

If you want to teach a cat how to play lol piano, or how to lay laminate flooring, then yes, sure uTube is handy for that.
Highly Unlikely it alters mindsets of inteligent capable individuals after a bit of browsing.

And thinking such, only highlights the ignorance surrounding the issue.

I'm sure you are right it is more likely if there's a face to face element (real life contacts involved), but there have (I think) been instances of people being drawn into this via online channels.

The web has been "2.0" for quite a while.
No expert but I imagine the process would not be just passive consuming, rather 2 way communications with likeminded individuals, seeking out the darker bits of the internet that you won't ever touch while just "browsing".

4068ac1elhodqr

fly_agaric wrote: »

I'm sure you are right it is more likely if there's a face to face element (real life contacts involved), but there have (I think) been instances of people being drawn into this via online channels - turning sympathisers into people who will actually take action of some sort.

In this case, they came from different parts of the world at different times, but both travelled (together) on a bus from Galway, on their way out, to the airport.

Both studied at National University of Ireland Galway and are believed to have become radicalised 'while in the city'

I.e. Not while (individually) 'browsing utube' or somesuch.

The Times also reports:

...both were members of NUIG Muslim Youth Society

Perhaps folks over in the very safe, and 1st world state of Malaysia, are now asking themselves is Galway really a safe place, to pay to send their clever student(s) who should really have had bright careers and futures ahead of them.

NewbridgeIR

Any comment from Joe Loughnane?

Red_Wake

Mad stuff altogether.

s7ryf3925pivug

Romania used to have an abundance of doctors on a salary of something like 200 euro a week. Our red tape meant we brought in about zero of them. Romania no longer has an abundance of underpaid doctors to bring here as they all moved to the UK to become very well paid doctors.

Slight tangent but the point is we could alleviate a lot of pressure on our medical services by bringing in more foreign doctors. Xenophobia is expensive to apply there.

I guess they were a but sheltered and rich and not being treated with the sort of respect they might have felt was their due. I'm sure doctors are targeted for recruitment by ISIS. Not defending them just imagining how it might have happened.

jmayo

Harleigh Fluffy Acorn wrote: »

Romania used to have an abundance of doctors on a salary of something like 200 euro a week. Our red tape meant we brought in about zero of them. Romania no longer has an abundance of underpaid doctors to bring here as they all moved to the UK to become very well paid doctors.

Slight tangent but the point is we could alleviate a lot of pressure on our medical services by bringing in more foreign doctors. Xenophobia is expensive to apply there.

I guess they were a but sheltered and rich and not being treated with the sort of respect they might have felt was their due. I'm sure doctors are targeted for recruitment by ISIS. Not defending them just imagining how it might have happened.

Sure why get European doctors when you can get Sudanese

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/doctor-guilty-of-professional-misconduct-over-registration-1.2744891

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/judge-concerned-at-how-struck-off-doctor-got-work-1.2834459

The president of the High Court has expressed concern about how a doctor who mistook an ankle for an elbow in an X-ray could have been employed in three Irish hospitals.

Mr Justice Peter Kelly made the remark when dismissing an appeal by Dr Omar Hassan Khalafalla Mohamed (30) against being struck off the medical register for professional misconduct and poor professional performance.

Describing Dr Hassan as having “sub-standard medical knowledge”, the judge said he could not understand how the doctor found himself on the medical register in the first place, apart from the fact he obtained appointments in three different hospitals.

skooterblue2

Harleigh Fluffy Acorn wrote: »

Xenophobia is expensive to apply there.

I guess they were a but sheltered and rich and not being treated with the sort of respect they might have felt was their due. I'm sure doctors are targeted for recruitment by ISIS. Not defending them just imagining how it might have happened.

If you cant deal with a little "wacism" then you shouldnt be practicing medicine. Imagine how you would deal with a gunshot wound, junkies, meth heads, telling a mother and father their child has just died or someone that they have HIV. Medicine is no place for the meek of heart.

skooterblue2

jmayo wrote: »

Sure why get European doctors when you can get Sudanese

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/doctor-guilty-of-professional-misconduct-over-registration-1.2744891

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/judge-concerned-at-how-struck-off-doctor-got-work-1.2834459

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jul/27/eu-doctors-work-in-uk-failed-english-skills-gmc-licence

Come back Dr. Nick Riviera, all is forgiven. "Well if if isn't my old friend Mr. McGreg. With a leg for an arm and an arm for a leg! "

Another gem we hired:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/consultant-gynaecologist-struck-off-medical-register-1.3036751