What's The Difference Between Atheism And Agnosticism ..

A_Lost_Man

Bannasidhe wrote: »

As opposed to religious people who commit atrocities because other people don't agree with their interpretation of god?

I give you - just within Europe -
The Albigensian Crusade.
The Witchcraft 'Trials'
The Inquisition.
St Bartholomew's Day Massacre.

How do you convince them they have lost track?

Better ask them or post your question to christian forum. I am not here to justify their murder or convince them they have lost track. How to convince Communist who under the banner of atheistic government killed 60 m in the 20 through genocide. The Reign of Terror of the French Revolution made a goverment which was anti churchs during the Enlightenment it killed many christian believers.

A_Lost_Man

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Atheists don't share a morality the same way as they don't share anything except non-belief in any gods - but most would subscribe to a greater or lesser extent to a humanistic view which basically amounts to don't be a dick.

Are you trying to cover up Communism which is one of the most wellknown cases of atheism's ties to mass murder and French Revolution a inspired by the works of Diderot, Voltaire, Sade, and Rousseau.

Bannasidhe

A_Lost_Man wrote: »

What is way of morality among atheist and agnostic. I mean if an atheist's mind start miss firing neurons what is a way to convince him that you lost track. Like there are atheists who in the hate of religion go to much wild they forget what they are doing is actually wrong. They are infact hurting people but think they are doing good like hitler.

A_Lost_Man wrote: »

Better ask them or post your question to christian forum. I am not here to justify their murder or convince them they have lost track. How to you convince Communist who killed 60 m in the 20 through genocide. The Reign of Terror of the French Revolution made a goverment which was anti churchs during the Enlightenment it killed many christian believers.

I see you managed to completely miss the point I was making.

Some people will find justification to kill. Some people will find justification to kill many many people.
Those people may be atheists or religious - either way an 'excuse' for genocide can always be found. In it's simplest form that 'excuse' could be categorized as the victims of genocide are, in the minds of the killers, guilty of being 'wrong' in some way - that can be the 'wrong' race, 'wrong' colour, 'wrong' political ideology. 'wrong' religious belief. Or just in the 'wrong' place at the 'wrong' time - as Native Americans, Native Australians etc found out.

...and please read a decent history book on the French Revolution, and The Enlightenment. I put in a comma as they are two different things.

Hotblack Desiato

A_Lost_Man wrote: »

Are you trying to cover up Communism which is one of the most wellknown cases of atheism's ties to mass murder and French Revolution a inspired by the works of Diderot, Voltaire, Sade, and Rousseau.

Totally irrelevant to both the thread, and my post.

Bannasidhe

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Totally irrelevant to both the thread, and my post.

Not only irrelevant but incorrect.
Voltaire, for example, believed monarchy was the best form of government - John Locke, whose name is conspicuously missing from this irrelevant list, on the other hand. Now he was a huge influence on the French (and American) Revolution. A topic, it would appear, this poster has only a superficial acquaintance with but seems determined to blame for everything.

branie2

Atheists don't believe in God; agnostics believe that we cannot know either way if there is a god or not.

robindch

branie2 wrote: »

Atheists don't believe in God; agnostics believe that we cannot know either way if there is a god or not.

Nope - neither of your definitions is fully accurate.

Atheist assert that one or more deities do not exist; it's unclear whether an atheist asserts that no deities of any kind exist, since not all have been defined. An agnostic asserts that it is not possible to know whether one or more deities exist; it's unclear whether an agnostic asserts that is not possible to know whether one or more deities, defined or undefined, do not exist.

The two terms don't really include or exclude each other to any significant degree, nor, by any stretch of the imagination, do they combine to cover all possibilities concerning the existence of one or more deities, defined or undefined, nor knowledge concerning same.

Both terms cause endless confusion, neither is very clear, both are regularly misused by just about everybody, and should really be universally clarified or lobbed into the great dustbin of history and replaced with something more accurate. Same goes for the term "god", btw.

A_Lost_Man

There are some afters affect of religion left in almost every atheist. They pretend to atheist on foram but in reality there is a religious guy inside them. How they ignore / and cheat their inner self. Like there are atheist who marry in churches using christian customs but on forums they becomes atheist. Is it some kind hypocrisy. In school as customs their children read story of Jesus and believe in them.

The high horse brigade

A_Lost_Man wrote: »

There are some afters affect of religion left in almost every atheist. They pretent to atheist on foram but in reality there is a religious guy inside them. How they ignore / and cheat they inner self. Like there are atheist who marry in churches using christian customs but on forums they becomes atheist. Is it some kind hypocrisy. In school as customs their children read story of Jesus and believe in them.

You mean these Christian traditions copied from ancient pagan traditions?

A_Lost_Man

The high horse brigade wrote: »

You mean these Christian traditions copied from ancient pagan traditions?

yes.

smacl

A_Lost_Man wrote: »

There are some afters affect of religion left in almost every atheist. They pretend to atheist on foram but in reality there is a religious guy inside them. How they ignore / and cheat their inner self. Like there are atheist who marry in churches using christian customs but on forums they becomes atheist. Is it some kind hypocrisy. In school as customs their children read story of Jesus and believe in them.

Depends very much on their upbrining. My maternal grandmother for example was an Austrian jew who fled to England to escape the Nazis and my mother was raised atheist. My father left Ireland in his late teens, joined the merchant navy and was also a life long atheist. Myself and my wife are both atheist and our kids are second or third generation atheists depending which side of the family tree you follow. There's no little hidden Christian inside them. While many atheists of my generation would have been considered lapsed Catholics in days of yore, many of my kids peers are also second generation atheists. Yes, the churches are still (ab)using the school system to force feed them religion, but the message at home is it is rubbish and we're starting to see a generation raised atheist.

Hotblack Desiato

A_Lost_Man wrote: »

They pretend to atheist on foram

Yes, but how is babby formed?

but in reality there is a religious guy inside them.

Ah.


It's like a less grammatically correct realdanbreen.

Going into a church or even having a religious marriage does not make one a theist.

The latter isn't something I'd do myself, and the former is something I avoid as far as possible, but there are plenty of cultural / familial reasons to do these things.

We are still living in a religion-soaked society even if it's unlikely that a majority of people actually believe in god. Just switch on RTE1 at 5:59 and get back to me...