Do You Have Eco-Anixety?

MrAbyss

First the lunatic with his fake tears on the street holding his kids photo with the ER upper middle class psychotics in London and now this ffs.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-49836830?fbclid=IwAR2mZ2NQaccHN8GvvCnIiCt0g14VWko1g_o0FCUvWfK05Di-XspOKNuxUtM

Like many new parents, Heather Sarno takes her son Jack along to rattle, rhyme and roll sessions at her local library. However, she broke down at a recent class because of her fears about the future of the planet.
"I was asking one of the staff members if I could speak to some of the other mums about coming to an Extinction Rebellion strike," says Heather, from Beeston in Nottinghamshire. "She said they wouldn't be able to get involved in anything political and I got really, really upset. She said, 'I think you need to go and see someone'. But a doctor isn't going to prescribe me with what I want."

BTW the Ozone Hole that was supposed to kill me growing up is all fixed now.

Stevieluvsye

It'll go full circle and these lunatics will find something else to whinge about

Thelonious Monk

It bothers me that the natural world is being destroyed like never before, and we're polluting our seas and rivers etc. with all kinds of crap at an increasing rate, the climate change thing doesn't bother me probably because I'll be dead before it all gets too bad

Thelonious Monk

I can't understand why you lot get so worked up about these ER guys though? They are having zero effect on your lives.

John Mason

To my shame, yes I do.

I try my best to keep under control but sometimes it does get the better of me.

My rational brain knows there is nothing i can do and what will be will be but the other manic ECO side of my brain wants to run around in circles screaming "we are all going to die".

I no longer watch programmes/listen to podcast or read news articles on climate change
I also watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flF7HPZy3Ys

in order to get my head straight. Ivar Giaever is great

MrAbyss

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I can't understand why you lot get so worked up about these ER guys though? They are having zero effect on your lives.

ER seem to be the darlings of the media.

They get a free pass from the police even when they behave very bad. Most of us know that if the people who held up the plane, or the London tube train were working class people looking for a speck of dignity, the cops and riot police would be in there with the baton and tear gas. In the case of the plane hijacker, if that wasn't some ER toff and he had a working class accent he's have been met with a hail of bullets.

The do have an effect on our lives as they show the class system is still very real.

josip

not for me, but I worry for my kids

ednwireland

nope

The Rape of Lucretia

I think we have a self correcting mechanism - with global warming, we will have no more snowflakes.

Thelonious Monk

MrAbyss wrote: »

ER seem to be the darlings of the media.

They get a free pass from the police even when they behave very bad. Most of us know that if the people who held up the plane, or the London tube train were working class people looking for a speck of dignity, the cops and riot police would be in there with the baton and tear gas. In the case of the plane hijacker, if that wasn't some ER toff and he had a working class accent he's have been met with a hail of bullets.

The do have an effect on our lives as they show the class system is still very real.

The class system in england bothers you? Get a life ffs.

Stark

MrAbyss wrote: »

BTW the Ozone Hole that was supposed to kill me growing up is all fixed now.

It's recovering because we took action with the Montreal Protocol. If we had ignored it, we'd have a serious issue now.

uck51js9zml2yt

Is there such a thing

Cee-Jay-Cee

I am slightly fearful for the planet that my children are going to have to live on but its not ecological anxiety more so the snowflake type society that seems to be steadily growing and the above example is typical of the absolute ****e that is becoming more and more common. A good hard slap would sort most of it.

MrAbyss

Stark wrote: »

It's recovering because we took action with the Montreal Protocol. If we had ignored it, we'd have a serious issue now.

It fixed itself and emission are greater now than then due to the industrial and economic explosion of China since then.

randd1

MrAbyss wrote: »

First the lunatic with his fake tears on the street holding his kids photo with the ER upper middle class psychotics in London and now this ffs.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-49836830?fbclid=IwAR2mZ2NQaccHN8GvvCnIiCt0g14VWko1g_o0FCUvWfK05Di-XspOKNuxUtM



BTW the Ozone Hole that was supposed to kill me growing up is all fixed now.

Honestly? It comes across as people with nothing better to do trying vainly to get noticed for being "compassionate".

It's simply a pathetic attempt at attention seeking by using your children. No different to the freaks who tart their kids up for them little miss pageants, it's all about getting noticed and using your kids as the conduit.

Utterly, utterly pathetic.

Hector Savage

When I was a kid they told me the amazon rain forest would be gone by now.
Also there would be no ozone layer.

I used to worry a lot when I was a kid - ironically no one gave a **** back then.

I don't anymore, I do my bit, I think I am quite green.

Wanderer78

The Rape of Lucretia wrote:

I think we have a self correcting mechanism - with global warming, we will have no more snowflakes.

Are snowflakes deniers or acceptors, tis fair confusing now

riffmongous

MrAbyss wrote: »

First the lunatic with his fake tears on the street holding his kids photo with the ER upper middle class psychotics in London and now this ffs.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-49836830?fbclid=IwAR2mZ2NQaccHN8GvvCnIiCt0g14VWko1g_o0FCUvWfK05Di-XspOKNuxUtM



BTW the Ozone Hole that was supposed to kill me growing up is all fixed now.

And why is that? Could it be because there was a concerted effort to do something about it?

(And no it's not all fixed up either btw, the projected pre-80s level date is the 2060s)

jimgoose

John Mason wrote: »

..."we are all going to die"...

We are all going to die, Grasshopper. But not today. Here, turn up your speakers, take a few deep breaths, and watch this:

MrAbyss wrote: »

It fixed itself and emission are greater now than then due to the industrial and economic explosion of China since then.

It most certainly did not fix itself. Ronald Reagan's administration was convinced to take concrete action to ban CFC usage in the 1980s, which resulted in the Montreal Protocol.

uck51js9zml2yt

All the Antarctic glaciers are melting......there are dozens of active volcanoes underneath them. But let's say it's global warming and ignore the facts..

Before anyone says" I never heard of them".....Google it and you'll see some mainstream papers with the reports.

Plumbthedepths

As I said on another thread I was a school child of the late 70's early 80's. We were supposed to have an ice age. I was looking forward to massive snowball fights and sking etc but instead I got sunburnt.
Just another group of alarmists. We need to change but I ain't going to get upset because of a bunch of scaremongering gob****es.

Plumbthedepths

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I can't understand why you lot get so worked up about these ER guys though? They are having zero effect on your lives.

Guess you weren't one of the commuters these clowns held up last week so.
Protesting and stopping public transport has got to be a massive own goal by any stretch.

topper75

Bella Skinny Videodisc wrote: »

All the Antarctic glaciers are melting......there are dozens of active volcanoes underneath them. But let's say it's global warming and ignore the facts..

Before anyone says" I never heard of them".....Google it and you'll see some mainstream papers with the reports.

Active? That glacier ice must be really special so if it has managed so far to freeze the lava trying to burst up underneath it.:eek::D

Molten lava and hot gases under pressure will blast their way up through miles of compacted ice. No problem.

NIMAN

Maybe I have my head firmly in the sand, but no I don't worry about it.

And I think my kids will be ok too. They might be more caring for the world than their predecessors, and end up paying more taxes for things, but they'll not die by climate change in the next 12 or 20 years.

topper75

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It bothers me that the natural world is being destroyed like never before, and we're polluting our seas and rivers etc. with all kinds of crap at an increasing rate, the climate change thing doesn't bother me probably because I'll be dead before it all gets too bad

If you are saying there are a lot more pressing environmental issues to be solved before we look at the atmosphere of 50 years time, I'm 100% with you.

They tend not be so sexy for politicians though so get sidelined. Pesticides, giant fishing ships, effluent is all actually directly changable by laws - directly under politicians' influence, but they are not sexy issues like the apocolyptic hysteria circus of late.

Stark

Are pesticides an issue?

The impression I get is that pesticides have become a lot less toxic over the years but at the same time, the organic food industry has grown massively and is pumping out a lot of misinformation about "organic vs non-organic" pesticides.

Thelonious Monk

topper75 wrote: »

If you are saying there are a lot more pressing environmental issues to be solved before we look at the atmosphere of 50 years time, I'm 100% with you.

They tend not be so sexy for politicians though so get sidelined. Pesticides, giant fishing ships, effluent is all actually directly changable by laws - directly under politicians' influence, but they are not sexy issues like the apocolyptic hysteria circus of late.

They're kinda related though as carbon also pollutes the seas and acidifies them and this destroys eco systems. Also destroying the amazon forests would have an effect on climate too. If we wanted to bring back nature to Ireland we'd probably need to put restrictions on how much land is used for farming etc and people aren't going to like that either. The only reason politicians may do something regarding climate change is because they can simply put a tax on something and say they're trying to make a difference with the least amount of resistance, if they tried to limit the amount of cattle or cars people have there'd be riots.

topper75

They would be correct to riot.
If we make the proposed changes whilst America, Russia, China, India, and Brazil do not, then we are merely throwing our economy down the toilet and achieving nothing. A small island with a few million people trying to lead on this is merely delusions of grandeur. We are just Ireland. It's absolutely OK to take a back seat when it comes to managing the globe (unless you write for the Irish Times or Skibereen Eagle!).

topper75

Stark wrote: »

Are pesticides an issue?

The impression I get is that pesticides have become a lot less toxic over the years but at the same time, the organic food industry has grown massively and is pumping out a lot of misinformation about "organic vs non-organic" pesticides.

I guess they are as a distortion of eco-systems. Even if organic.

Possibly more accurate to say mass cultivation is the distortion.

If you have a mass crop, that is an eco-imbalance to begin with. But then you add a pesticide. Yes it protects the health of the crop for human consumption. But it takes out a 'layer' of insect life. That yields two immediate issues up AND down the food chain. The would-be predators starve. The would-be prey breed riotously. These two changes can have consequent ripples up and down the rest of the food chain for microorganisms, birds, and even mammals.

Cuddlesworth

MrAbyss wrote: »

BTW the Ozone Hole that was supposed to kill me growing up is all fixed now.

Because the world took action. Also the hole in the ozone because of CFC's is not climate change.

We know that CO2 in the atmosphere is currently rising at a rapid rate, this causing higher temperatures globally as its trapping the Sun's heat within the atmosphere. We know this is causing a feedback loop where its melting polar ice, causing rapid release of currently trapped methane, which is far better at trapping heat. Which causes more heat, releasing more methane and CO2, etc etc.

It's a depressing thought and a fair number of people are willfully ignoring it. What is even more depressing is that all of the above has been known for a good 50 years and was put aside for the short term profits of the wealthy.

Right now, as a society, we need to start looking at industrial ways to get rid of those greenhouse gases. And this has to come from government policies and economic incentives, it will not come from profit driven companies.

Graces7

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Because the world took action. Also the hole in the ozone because of CFC's is not climate change.

We know that CO2 in the atmosphere is currently rising at a rapid rate, this causing higher temperatures globally as its trapping the Sun's heat within the atmosphere. We know this is causing a feedback loop where its melting polar ice, causing rapid release of currently trapped methane, which is far better at trapping heat. Which causes more heat, releasing more methane and CO2, etc etc.

It's a depressing thought and a fair number of people are willfully ignoring it. What is even more depressing is that all of the above has been known for a good 50 years and was put aside for the short term profits of the wealthy.

Right now, as a society, we need to start looking at industrial ways to get rid of those greenhouse gases. And this has to come from government policies and economic incentives, it will not come from profit driven companies.

for wisdom, thank you.

Also we can all make a small difference in some ways. I decided not to replace my car and live very simply.

OldGoat

Lack of scientific understanding from all sides give me the hebeejeebies.

suicide_circus

I have Eco- Anxiety anxiety

_Kaiser_

I feel like I'm the only one lately who's not obsessed about the climate stuff.

Could we be doing more as a global population - absolutely! But as long as there's money to be made in consumerist practices, and non-Western countries are still burning huge amounts of coal and so on, it won't happen until a REAL crisis emerges that prompts investment and change (think of all those disaster movies where only then can we cooperate to build Arks or core-drilling super-ships/trains or even putting Bruce Willis on an asteroid )

In the meantime back home there's no point in taxing people even more for going to work. Public transport is piss-poor outside Dublin (or even in it unless you live along a DART/LUAS line, but even then it's at capacity during peak times), most tech and finance jobs (which make up a significant part of our employment pool) are in/around Dublin, and while you may get a personal dose of the warm and cuddlies by buying an electric car or cycling more, in reality it's worth almost nothing considering the "environmental cost" of that new car or iPhone/Galaxy you're holding.

So.. meh! I generate a black bag of mixed rubbish once every 2 weeks (eating in work, living alone helps there) and drive a 9 year old car that I'll replace within the next 2 (mostly because of higher insurance and NCT costs after it hits 10) with another used car that I'll similarly keep for 4/5 years. That'll do me.

_Kaiser_

topper75 wrote: »

They would be correct to riot.
If we make the proposed changes whilst America, Russia, China, India, and Brazil do not, then we are merely throwing our economy down the toilet and achieving nothing. A small island with a few million people trying to lead on this is merely delusions of grandeur. We are just Ireland. It's absolutely OK to take a back seat when it comes to managing the globe (unless you write for the Irish Times or Skibereen Eagle!).

Ah but for whatever reason, here in Ireland we have a NEED to be liked or validated on the international stage - "everyone loves the Irish", plastic bag levies, smoking bans, first gay/mixed heritage Taoiseach indicating how far we've come, etc etc...

It's a bit cringe-worthy to be honest. By all means should we try and improve the situation at home but this attention-seeking stuff adds nothing.

Stark

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Ah but for whatever reason, here in Ireland we have a NEED to be liked or validated on the international stage - "everyone loves the Irish", plastic bag levies, smoking bans, first gay/mixed heritage Taoiseach indicating how far we've come, etc etc...

It's a bit cringe-worthy to be honest. By all means should we try and improve the situation at home but this attention-seeking stuff adds nothing.

Both of which were very welcome and made a noticeable improvement to quality of life here imo.

topper75

Graces7 wrote: »

for wisdom, thank you.

Also we can all make a small difference in some ways. I decided not to replace my car and live very simply.

If these actions intended at making a difference are negated by the large populations of the developing world acquiring cars for themselves and consuming more in their lives, are you not merely serving to 'hurt' yourself (denying yourself quality of life) at no gain to anybody?

Should individuals like yourself in Ireland not hold off instead until the big actors come on board with this?

Thelonious Monk

topper75 wrote: »

If these actions intended at making a difference are negated by the large populations of the developing world acquiring cars for themselves and consuming more in their lives, are you not merely serving to 'hurt' yourself (denying yourself quality of life) at no gain to anybody?

Should individuals like yourself in Ireland not hold off instead until the big actors come on board with this?

What have India and China got to do with Ireland cleaning up its own act? Also China are world leaders in renewable energy, some of their cities have 10s of 1000s of electric buses running too.

gozunda

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

As I said on another thread I was a school child of the late 70's early 80's. We were supposed to have an ice age. I was looking forward to massive snowball fights and sking etc but instead I got sunburnt.
Just another group of alarmists. We need to change but I ain't going to get upset because of a bunch of scaremongering gob****es.

What we are dealing with is plain extreme alarmism. I would love to have seen the same cohort having to deal with the actuality of the cold war and the then imminent threat that the planet was going to be nuked into oblivion .

And now we have snowflakes who according to that BBC article "feel guilty "brining children into a "uncertain world" . And think crap like "a doctor wouldn't be able to control the companies responsible for 70% of the world's carbon emissions or put a stop to recreational flights," ... "Only this morning, I was crying about it. It's like a grief process."

Guess what ife is uncertain. Welcome to the real world love :rolleyes:

gozunda

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I can't understand why you lot get so worked up about these ER guys though? They are having zero effect on your lives.

Tbh cant understand why you are asking such daft rhetorical questions. Afaik people are allowed to have opinions on lots of things. But for sure some crowd screaming that world is going to end and demanding that everyone do what they want is certainly a topic for discussion. Dont like that no? Why is that?

SEPT 23 1989

I wonder what these young eco-anxiety sufferers would have made of the cold war where their world could have ended in 4 minutes?

Thelonious Monk

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I wonder what these young eco-anxiety sufferers would have made of the cold war where their world could have ended in 4 minutes?

I wonder how the head-in-the-sanders would cope if they were told they had to eat a little less meat or buy less stuff or use their cars less to save the planet? Because they seem to be the real snowflakes.

Still waters

The government using climate to rape me financially is what really gives me anxiety

is_that_so

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I wonder what these young eco-anxiety sufferers would have made of the cold war where their world could have ended in 4 minutes?

It's a 21st century variant of it. As the solutions to it are not instant and there are daily infusions of the gloom to be had everywhere you look it's not surprising some people are in a state of chassis. That said I do think it is incumbent on parents not to add their own agitation to a child's own doubts about the world.

is_that_so

Still waters wrote: »

The government using climate to rape me financially is what really gives me anxiety

How much have they actually taken you for?

Still waters

is_that_so wrote: »

How much have they actually taken you for?

Hard to put a figure on it, everytime i buy heating oil, coal, Diesel, agri diesel, carbon tax is a scam

gozunda

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I wonder how the head-in-the-sanders would cope if they were told they had to eat a little less meat or buy less stuff or use their cars less to save the planet? Because they seem to be the real snowflakes.

I think this may be relevant to your ideas ...

biko

I have zero climate anxiety.

If it gets so bad all humans die, the planet will still survive and thrive, just without us on it.
And it's better off without us.

jimgoose

Mate of mine on FB just referred to Greta Thunberg as "Scoldilocks"... :pac::pac::pac:

frosty123

Its dem new age hippies

is_that_so

Still waters wrote: »

Hard to put a figure on it, everytime i buy heating oil, coal, Diesel, agri diesel, carbon tax is a scam

You've been scammed far more by their status as one of the old reliables in Budgets! Carbon tax is a newcomer.