Depressed over new job

mark2912

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GalwayGrrrrrl

You are entitled by law to a 30 minute break. Do other staff get their break?
I don’t have much sympathy for the 6am getting up, that’s life I’m afraid.

donvito99

Stay with it for the time being, don't let those pricks get to you and don't descent to their bitter level is my advice.

You will have something come up and more than likely your experience at this will stand to you.

mark2912

GalwayGrrrrrl wrote: »

You are entitled by law to a 30 minute break. Do other staff get their break?
I don’t have much sympathy for the 6am getting up, that’s life I’m afraid.

I'm only given a 15 minute break, and I'm lucky if I get a break some days.

donvito99 wrote: »

Stay with it for the time being, don't let those pricks get to you and don't descent to their bitter level is my advice.

You will have something come up and more than likely your experience at this will stand to you.

I hope to be out of the kip by the end of the year, they seem to take advantage of me due to my age and the fact that it's my first job.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Unfortunately, that's just the stage of your working life that you're at right now. Many of us have had to work in that sort of environment. My first job, when I was about your age, was in retail and the managers treated us like children. It won't be forever, but my advice would be to suck it up and get on with it.

No one likes early starts or being spoken to rudely but the world owes nobody a living. We've all worked in jobs we hate, but it won't be forever and you'll appreciate working wherever your next gig is that bit more. Chin up!

Big Nasty

7 - 3? Dream hours for a lot of us

mvl

Been hearing it can be tough working in that domain.

Are they rude to you in front of the customers ? In my domain (totally different) - I've also met ppl being rude. Being nice to others that don't expect but appreciate it sometimes helps me forget about rudeness - not sure if that would work for you though.

Another point: is this what you want to do long term, or just that it happened to get this job ? cause depending on how you plan your future, you'd need to mentally find something to cling on (to harden you): for example thinking "one day I might get your job", or "one day I'll get out of here" ...

BorneTobyWilde

You must get tips Shirley ?

Mongfinder General

mark2912 wrote: »

I recently started a new job as a waiter in a hotel, and absolutely hate it. I am only ever rostered to just do weekends, a 7am-3pm shift. Supervisors and managers are rude and too demanding.

I am expected, at 17 years of age, to get out of bed at 6am every weekend and work 8 hours non stop. Both my supervisors and one manager in particular are putting me under pressure. I have been shouted at, have had fingers clicked at me, given orders in a rude manner and they are also refusing to change my rostered shifts for future.

I have applied for many jobs in the past and was never successful, so this job is my first ever job. I want to leave ASAP, I continue to apply to other places but haven't heard back from any.

I don't want to leave until I find something new, as money is tight at the moment and I depend on my wages of €165 a week, even though that's not much.

Any advice???

I’d change your attitude before you change your job. You sound like you’re bone idle to be honest

boombang

Don't sweat it. You'll find a better job soon. Don't stick around in those conditions too long as it sounds horrible. Life's too short to stick abuse. I'd be depressed too if that's how I was being treated.

Onwards and upwards!

2Mad2BeMad

you are 17, just leave if you don't like it.

You are practically an adult and while the law states you should get at least 30minutes working those hours, in the real world it doesn't always work this way.

Wait until you are 18 and they can really do what ever they want with you.
Leave and find a new job.

Them shift hours by the way are probably the best hours you will ever get in your life. Up and out before traffic, home before traffic and still plenty left in the day to do what you want.
Learn to love them, it only gets worse for hours after that.

edit: not to mention working in a hotel is probably the worst job in the world.(exaggerating abit but its fairly depressing so im not surprised you dont like it) the wages are awful, the pressure is always on which makes people narky and rude, plus you have to put up with arsehole customers.

Strumms

The biggest problem I’d be having would be the break. 15 minutes is ridiculous and indeed illegal.

To be honest for your own wellbeing and sense of self worth I’d be getting out of there, I wouldn’t bother with notice, feedback etc just ring and say as the job isn’t as advertised and the conditions not fair, safe or acceptable that you need to to quit.. don’t encourage conversation just inform them of these facts and say goodbye. If they attempt to discuss... hang up..

AndyBoBandy

mark2912 wrote: »

they seem to take advantage of me due to my age and the fact that it's my first job.

How have you come to this conclusion given its your first taste of working?

mark2912

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

How have you come to this conclusion given its your first taste of working?

Because out of all the people I work with, they have all had jobs in the past and don't seem to be treated like I am.

I feel like I am being victimised at work.

Strumms

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

How have you come to this conclusion given its your first taste of working?

If his manager is shouting and clicking fingers it’s the correct conclusion. If the manager is incapable of treating their employee with respect then all agreements are null and void.

dontpanic

mark2912 wrote: »

I recently started a new job as a waiter in a hotel, and absolutely hate it. I am only ever rostered to just do weekends, a 7am-3pm shift. Supervisors and managers are rude and too demanding.

I am expected, at 17 years of age, to get out of bed at 6am every weekend and work 8 hours non stop. Both my supervisors and one manager in particular are putting me under pressure. I have been shouted at, have had fingers clicked at me, given orders in a rude manner and they are also refusing to change my rostered shifts for future.

I have applied for many jobs in the past and was never successful, so this job is my first ever job. I want to leave ASAP, I continue to apply to other places but haven't heard back from any.

I don't want to leave until I find something new, as money is tight at the moment and I depend on my wages of €165 a week, even though that's not much.

Any advice???

I think this is very much the standard in the industry you're in - I would never do it based on all your points above as the hours, management style etc. would make me miserable.

If you really need the money then I would stick around until something better comes up. It is valuable experience on your cv. You could also talk to HR about moving to a different role?

Mrs OBumble

mark2912 wrote: »

Because out of all the people I work with, they have all had jobs in the past and don't seem to be treated like I am.

I feel like I am being victimised at work.

They know how to work and how to do various tasks. You know how to do very little and are whining about your shifts despite being hired for those hours.

Learn how to do some stuff, and you'll get the respect you earn.

Ursus Horribilis

Are you still in school? Sometimes having a sht job like this will motivate you to study harder.

mark2912

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

Are you still in school? Sometimes having a sht job like this will motivate you to study harder.

I study a full-time PLC course

LawBoy2018

I have been in your exact situation. I worked as a waiter in a hotel from the age of 16-19 while in school/college and I can honestly say that it was the worst time of my life. The people who work in hotels full time a different breed. While money may be tight, your mental health is worth much more than €165/week.

My advice would be to stand up for yourself, and call out the staff who are being rude to you. Do it in a polite manner, but let them know that they're acting out of order. In my experience, 95% of the people I worked with were kind, but it only takes 1-2 rude, uneducated twats to make your life miserable. If they persist in treating you badly, escalate the matter to a hr manager. They owe you a duty to ensure that you're not being mistreated. Best of luck! Shoot me a message if you need any more advice.

the_syco

mark2912 wrote: »

I study a full-time PLC course

mark2912 wrote: »

I am only ever rostered to just do weekends, a 7am-3pm shift.

If it's full time, how do you expect to do anything but the weekends?

mark2912 wrote: »

they are also refusing to change my rostered shifts for future.

Change them to what? During the week when you're mean to be at your PLC course?

mark2912 wrote: »

I don't want to leave until I find something new, as money is tight at the moment and I depend on my wages of €165 a week, even though that's not much.

Are they paying you minimum wage? Because as it's your first job, and you're 17, they don't have to....

=-=

I worked 8pm-4am Friday & Saturday night whilst in college. I'd have loved your hours, as mine would mess up my sleep routine every weekend!

Squall Leonhart

I might well be wrong, but I thought it was a 15 minute paid break every 4.5hrs worked, OR a 30 minute unpaid break evrt 4.5hrs worked. OPs break could be legal as they would only accrue one period of 4.5hrs worked.

But OP, I fail to see an issue with the "I'm expected to.. At 17!". Yes? And? You want money, you work. Speaking as somebody who started working in hotels at 16 and worked 5 years there, I know the environment.

You can do a good job and help yourself, or you can do a bang average job and get treated as a nuisance employee not worth the 9.65 they are legally obliged to pay you per hour.

Getting up early at the weekends to make money, where's the problem? What do you want? A higher hourly rate, for better hours, in a softer environment? Who doesn't......!

mvl

the_syco wrote: »

Change them to what? During the week when you're mean to be at your PLC course?

guess there is an afternoon shift ?
- can that be the shift with better tips, and that's why he's not getting it ?

mark2912

the_syco wrote: »

If it's full time, how do you expect to do anything but the weekends?


Change them to what? During the week when you're mean to be at your PLC course?


Are they paying you minimum wage? Because as it's your first job, and you're 17, they don't have to....

=-=

I worked 8pm-4am Friday & Saturday night whilst in college. I'd have loved your hours, as mine would mess up my sleep routine every weekend!

Firstly, I only live around the corner, so evening shifts wouldn't be a problem. Even later shifts at the weekend would be alright. I should be able to have a lie on at the weekend.

I get paid €11 an hour with no tax due to credits and USC exemption. I also get a dividend of tips left by customers.

Although pay seems to be reasonable enough, I would have no problem moving to a less-paid job if it meant better shifts and nicer people.

Squall Leonhart

mark2912 wrote: »

Firstly, I only live around the corner, so evening shifts wouldn't be a problem. Even later shifts at the weekend would be alright. I should be able to have a lie on at the weekend.

I get paid €11 an hour with no tax due to credits and USC exemption. I also get a dividend of tips left by customers.

Although pay seems to be reasonable enough, I would have no problem moving to a less-paid job if it meant better shifts and nicer people.

Sorry OP... But... You're losing the room here I'd suspect.

"I should be able to have a lie in at the weekend" hahaha, says who??

MD1990

I was in a job at 18 & received similar problems.

I just started treating the person the same way they treated me. Made jokes about him,smart comments etc. He couldn't take it & let me go.

I did feel better so worked out in the long run. No point letting people walk all over you.

Mrs OBumble

mark2912 wrote: »

Although pay seems to be reasonable enough, I would have no problem moving to a less-paid job if it meant better shifts and nicer people.

Well pull your finger out of your *** and apply for one!

Seriously OP, you're being a whiney snowflake. Most of your peers would be delighted with an hourly rate like you've got.

Stheno

mark2912 wrote: »

Firstly, I only live around the corner, so evening shifts wouldn't be a problem. Even later shifts at the weekend would be alright. I should be able to have a lie on at the weekend.

I get paid €11 an hour with no tax due to credits and USC exemption. I also get a dividend of tips left by customers.

Although pay seems to be reasonable enough, I would have no problem moving to a less-paid job if it meant better shifts and nicer people.

You should be able to have a lie in? Seriously, that's one of the funniest things I've ever read in this forum.

It's your first job you are probably doing the easy breakfast duty compared to evening work.

You need to get a grip

Bicyclette

My daughter is in her twenties, with an honours degree, currently doing her Masters and she is working similar hours to you, for less pay.

She studies and lives Monday to Friday two hours from where we live. She gets a bus home on a Friday morning, goes straight onto a reception shift in a hotel and works until midnight. She usually then is up at 7am on a Saturday to do another shift. And on Sundays she either gets an early bus back to where she goes to college or else does another early shift and then goes back to where she goes to college straight after.

She doesn't feel any form of entitlement. She is delighted to be able to pay her own way when doing her Masters. The only time she gets fed up is when other reception staff phone her during the week to ask what to do, rather than asking the duty manager who is on at the time.

At 17, I think you have an unentitled sense of entitlement. You need to grow up and realise this is the REAL world. It doesn't matter where you go, you will need to get up early and deal with people you may not always like. Work is about selling your services for a price. If you don't like the buyer, then perhaps consider selling your services in another industry. Shop work might suit you better.

heroics

Seriously OP you need to grow up a bit. Getting paid 14% over min wage + tips for your first job and your whinging and feeling victimised because you should be entitled to a lie in at the weekend.

Stheno

Wh ast c ourse are you studying op?

mark2912

I understand that I may be overreacting a little but words can't describe how horrible and nasty these managers are.

I feel like I am being bullied, I feel intimidated when they are present.

I have retail and admin experience through school work experience placements, but am unlikely to get a job in any of these areas due to not having relevant qualifications (as of yet) and also my age.

I am 18 in December so hopefully that will open up my job opportunities. But with a bit of luck I'll be out of my current job by then.

mark2912

the_syco wrote: »

If it's full time, how do you expect to do anything but the weekends?


Change them to what? During the week when you're mean to be at your PLC course?


Are they paying you minimum wage? Because as it's your first job, and you're 17, they don't have to....

=-=

I worked 8pm-4am Friday & Saturday night whilst in college. I'd have loved your hours, as mine would mess up my sleep routine every weekend!

Stheno wrote: »

Wh ast c ourse are you studying op?

A level 5 PLC in Business

Stheno

mark2912 wrote: »

I understand that I may be overreacting a little but words can't describe how horrible and nasty these managers are.

I feel like I am being bullied, I feel intimidated when they are present.

I have retail and admin experience through school work experience placements, but am unlikely to get a job in any of these areas due to not having relevant qualifications (as of yet) and also my age.

I am 18 in December so hopefully that will open up my job opportunities. But with a bit of luck I'll be out of my current job by then.

So can you give one example even of their being horrible and nasty?

Strumms

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Learn how to do some stuff, and you'll get the respect you earn.

Respect isn’t ever something that should be needed to be ‘earned’, people should respect each other from the get go, a two way street.. if an employer has a ‘genuine’ issue with an employee, something that they are doing or not.. this needs to be communicated in a respectful, clear, concise and constructive manner.. if needs be remedial training..

Example: years ago I was working in a supermarket part time at the age of 17, one that a lad called ‘Ben’ owned. I was 90 minutes stacking and sorting out the freezer cabinets after the weekend when my hands were so cold that I was dropping product, I decided to take a quick on the job break, hands in pockets until they were warmed up... almost immediately a young manager whose name I’ll never forget came around the corner and had a freak attack.. “Strumms, we are not paying you to stand there with your hands in your pockets, get stacking !” I immediately tried to explain what I was doing and why but he cut me off, stepped forward, put his hand on my jumper and reefed the hands out of my pockets aggressively .. I was shocked, stunned. I just remember me being 17, him about 6’4 and 30ish but red mist descended... “ CG, if you ever put your hands on me again, you’ll spend your shift picking your fûcking teeth off the shop floor... he winced, bolted for security, I calmly walked out the door...

So respect goes a long way, if he had have paused... “hmmm what is Strumms doing, hey I’ll ask him !” Instead of being a prîck he learns something and doesn’t loose a decent employee... respect, two way, take zero shît off managers.

juneg

You'll have mid term and Christmas holidays from school and you can have a lie in then. In fairness teens do like an occasional lie in so I understand. Try to go to bed earlier and be well rested.

You're doing the breakfast and lunch shift and the setting up in between. I would say the dinner shift is messier as people are drinking and forget to go home. Your nights could be very late by the time the last diners are gone especially with Christmas parties around the corner.
Try to look on the bright side. Its only your first job and theres a lot to get used to. Do you have any banter with the customers? Are there any other employees you could get along better with? The money is good. The hours are long but I'm sure they fly by when you are busy.

If you really don't t like it then I'm sure theres lots of retail jobs now coming up to Christmas. They might not last after Christmas though as January Feb are quiet again.
Look we all started somewhere and moved along. Treat it as part of the experience you are gaining in your plc year. Save up your money for whatever you'll be doing next year.
And well done for going g our and getting yourself a part time.e job at 17. Youre going in the right direction. Chin up.

mark2912

Stheno wrote: »

So can you give one example even of their being horrible and nasty?

I'd be minding my business at the bar at non-busy periods, this bastard of a manager will come over and ask me "what are you up to" in a rude and intimidating tone, then order me to spend the next hour or half hour to set tables or polish cutlery. If I'm not doing it at a pace they expect they'll start clapping heir hands or clicking their fingers at me and telling me to hurry up, again in a rude and intimidating manner.

My colleagues sometimes witness this and agree with me when I open up to them about how I feel about it.

mark2912

juneg wrote: »

You'll have mid term and Christmas holidays from school and you can have a lie in then. In fairness teens do like an occasional lie in so I understand. Try to go to bed earlier and be well rested.

You're doing the breakfast and lunch shift and the setting up in between. I would say the dinner shift is messier as people are drinking and forget to go home. Your nights could be very late by the time the last diners are gone especially with Christmas parties around the corner.
Try to look on the bright side. Its only your first job and theres a lot to get used to. Do you have any banter with the customers? Are there any other employees you could get along better with? The money is good. The hours are long but I'm sure they fly by when you are busy.

If you really don't t like it then I'm sure theres lots of retail jobs now coming up to Christmas. They might not last after Christmas though as January Feb are quiet again.
Look we all started somewhere and moved along. Treat it as part of the experience you are gaining in your plc year. Save up your money for whatever you'll be doing next year.
And well done for going g our and getting yourself a part time.e job at 17. Youre going in the right direction. Chin up.

I haven't really served customers as such, apart from dropping their food/drinks over to them. I'm not even allowed make coffees using the machine or use the tills, whole everybody else is. They say that this is because "I'm not there enough to get used to how things work", what absolute d***heads :mad:

Stheno

mark2912 wrote: »

I'd be minding my business at the bar at non-busy periods, this bastard of a manager will come over and ask me "what are you up to" in a rude and intimidating tone, then order me to spend the next hour or half hour to set tables or polish cutlery. If I'm not doing it at a pace they expect they'll start clapping heir hands or clicking their fingers at me and telling me to hurry up, again in a rude and intimidating manner.

My colleagues sometimes witness this and agree with me when I open up to them about how I feel about it.

So the manager is finding you doing nothing and asking you to do some work?

the_syco

mark2912 wrote: »

I have retail and admin experience through school work experience placements

Were either placements 6 months full time, or a years part time? Because a few weeks doesn't count.

mark2912 wrote: »

Firstly, I only live around the corner, so evening shifts wouldn't be a problem. Even later shifts at the weekend would be alright. I should be able to have a lie on at the weekend.

Having worked in the kitchens of a restaurant, and a pub for a while, I know that the nicer shifts goto the people who worked the crap shifts during the week when they have to be there to keep the place open, but not get much, if any tips during said shifts.

mark2912 wrote: »

I get paid €11 an hour with no tax due to credits and USC exemption. I also get a dividend of tips left by customers.

More money than min wage, and tips, and you still complain? Sheesh, you just can't please some people.

mark2912 wrote: »

Although pay seems to be reasonable enough, I would have no problem moving to a less-paid job if it meant better shifts and nicer people.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You're funny. Any other job will have less pay, and crapper shifts.

mark2912 wrote: »

I feel like I am being bullied, I feel intimidated when they are present.

Yup, managers will intimidate people. Hell, I'd say it's part of their job; weed out the useless newbies.

My advice; do a good great job, and your colleagues will appreciate you more, and your managers will keep an eye on someone else.

mark2912

Stheno wrote: »

So the manager is finding you doing nothing and asking you to do some work?

It's not just that, it's how they say it. You'd swear it's a primary school the way I'm treated

the_syco

mark2912 wrote: »

I'd be minding my business at the bar at non-busy periods, this bastard of a manager will come over and ask me "what are you up to" in a rude and intimidating tone

You're paid to work. Or at least look busy.

Stheno

mark2912 wrote: »

It's not just that, it's how they say it. You'd swear it's a primary school the way I'm treated

Well you are 17 its your first job and you dont seem to understand that minding your business at the bar is not part of the job.

Have they had to ask you more than once to do stuff?

mark2912

the_syco wrote: »

Were either placements 6 months full time, or a years part time? Because a few weeks doesn't count.

They were every Wednesday throughout the school year.

I did retail for 5th year, and admin for 6th. And enjoyed both.

the_syco

mark2912 wrote: »

It's not just that, it's how they say it. You'd swear it's a primary school the way I'm treated

But it is. You get rid of the useless people by treating them like crap.

Next weekend, find out what jobs need to be done on your off time.

So when you're not busy, you do these jobs. You don't need to do them at the speed of light, but doing them shows the manager two things;
You're not being lazy
You've shown initiative looking for work to do on the quite periods

the_syco

mark2912 wrote: »

They were every Wednesday throughout the school year.

I did retail for 5th year, and admin for 6th. And enjoyed both.

Wednesday... when? 9am-5pm? 6pm-9pm?

mark2912

the_syco wrote: »

Wednesday... when? 9am-5pm? 6pm-9pm?

Retail was usually 1pm to 5pm, and admin was 10am-3pm

These shifts were handy for me

Stheno

mark2912 wrote: »

Retail was usually 1pm to 5pm, and admin was 10am-3pm

These shifts were handy for me

Sounds to me like you are struggling to adapt to a more proper shift tbh

neddynasty

OP, you say you recently started this job, how long ago is recently?

mark2912

neddynasty wrote: »

OP, you say you recently started this job, how long ago is recently?

Start of September

Stheno

mark2912 wrote: »

Start of September

So you've done six Saturdays?