Takeaway delivery driver job

Joker2019

Hi all I'm in college and I need a part time job. I see a number of takeaways in my area are looking for drivers to do deliveries. I have a full driving licence but only recently passed my test so I need to use N plates. Could I apply for one of these jobs if I use N plates or will they take on someone without much experience driving. I like driving and find it fairly easy would definitely prefer it to stacking shelves or working on the tills in a shop for example.

Uncle Charlie

Joker2019 wrote: »

Hi all I'm in college and I need a part time job. I see a number of takeaways in my area are looking for drivers to do deliveries. I have a full driving licence but only recently passed my test so I need to use N plates. Could I apply for one of these jobs if I use N plates or will they take on someone without much experience driving. I like driving and find it fairly easy would definitely prefer it to stacking shelves or working on the tills in a shop for example.

Its not worth doing a lot of places pay less than minimum wage and expect you to make your money from tips.

BDI

What are you in college for?

diceyreilly

They won’t give a ****e when you passed your test once you passed it.

diceyreilly

They won’t give a ****e when you passed your test once you passed it.

tuxy

I did this for a while before N plates came in. I was on a standard insurance policy.
Can anyone confirm I would have been screwed if I was in an accident while working with only a social, domestic & pleasure insurance policy?
If true be sure to take it into consideration.

tuxy

sugarman wrote: »

Literally posted the same thing as you posted.

Yes you would have been, you need commercial car insurance.

Yep, figured as much and had a fair idea about it at the time too. Decided it was worth the risk but in hindsight it wasn't.

Joker2019

Uncle Charlie wrote: »

Its not worth doing a lot of places pay less than minimum wage and expect you to make your money from tips.

It's not really about pay so much more about gaining work experience but pay would be an added bonus

Yer Da sells Avon

tuxy wrote: »

I did this for a while before N plates came in. I was on a standard insurance policy.
Can anyone confirm I would have been screwed if I was in an accident while working with only a social, domestic & pleasure insurance policy?
If true be sure to take it into consideration.

Not only that, but if you get pulled in by the Gardai, they could take your car from off of you.

Joker2019

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Not only that, but if you get pulled in by the Gardai, they could take your car from off of you.

Would the chances of that not be slim. Like if you just put the heated bag in the boot instead of the back seat how would they know unless they searched the car

tuxy

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Not only that, but if you get pulled in by the Gardai, they could take your car from off of you.

Actually did get pulled over and asked what I was doing.
Was seen driving around just about every housing estate in the town by the same Garda and he wanted to know what I was doing.
They didn't care once I explained but could have gone very differently. Also it was over 10 years ago and things have changed and I believe it's much more strict.

tuxy

Joker2019 wrote: »

Would the chances of that not be slim. Like if you just put the heated bag in the boot instead of the back seat how would they know unless they searched the car

Depends on if that guard has ambitions of getting promoted. Increased conviction numbers are very important to an ambitious guard out for promotion. And like I said you will be noticed if you are seen constantly driving around different housing estates in the same area.

Joker2019

sugarman wrote: »

If you're working the same area doing multiple deliveries a night, you tend to run into the same lads at the same routine checkpoints.

What exact crime is being committed though? Also since I'm in college would be doing it a few nights a week

tuxy

Joker2019 wrote: »

What exact crime is being committed though? Also since I'm in college would be doing it a few nights a week

Insurance invalid so the crime would be driving while uninsured.

Plumbthedepths

Long story short but if you are driving your car on your own insurance policy delivering anything, basically you are not insured. Why , because have you informed your insurance company you are now using your car in a business capacity. Honest answer you haven't therefore under the small print your insurance is VOID.

K.Flyer

Joker2019 wrote: »

What exact crime is being committed though? Also since I'm in college would be doing it a few nights a week

Driving with inadequate insurance.
Last year they went after the motorbike riders doing deliveries and took a lot of them off the road.

Joker2019

tuxy wrote: »

Insurance invalid so the crime would be driving while uninsured.

Would most people doing it have the right insurance maybe but I somehow doubt it. It seems awfully unfair that the Guards would prosecute someone for the crime of trying to earn a living through driving.

tuxy

How many fast food delivery drivers are insured though? I don't know any that have ever had valid insurance and I don't see how you could make a profit with valid business insurance unless your employer paid for it.

tuxy

Joker2019 wrote: »

Would most people doing it have the right insurance maybe but I somehow doubt it. It seems awfully unfair that the Guards would prosecute someone for the crime of trying to earn a living through driving.

True most probably aren't. But if it is illegal to make a living by other illegal activities then so is this. Truth is you will probably find a dodgy employer that will take you on with N plates and no insurance. But know the risks, not just to your self but other people you could **** over if you are involved in an accident.
It takes ages to get paid out if hit by someone who is uninsured so that person is in real trouble if they are supporting a family and need their car for work.

BDI

tuxy wrote: »

How many fast food delivery drivers are insured though? I don't know any that have ever had valid insurance and I don't see how you could make a profit with valid business insurance unless your employer paid for it.

The ones on bicycles

K.Flyer

Joker2019 wrote: »

Would most people doing it have the right insurance maybe but I somehow doubt it. It seems awfully unfair that the Guards would prosecute someone for the crime of trying to earn a living through driving.

No, you're not being prosecuted for trying to earn a living through driving, you would be prosecuted for having inadequate insurance for the purpose that you are using your car for.

tuxy

BDI wrote: »

The ones on bicycles

If only, I wish you could get reasonable bicycle insurance. The cover from cycling Ireland is not adequate.

Joker2019

Seems ridiculous that you need special insurance why can't you just drive with regular insurance seems like a really stupid law if you ask me.

tuxy

Joker2019 wrote: »

Seems ridiculous that you need special insurance why can't you just drive with regular insurance seems like a really stupid law if you ask me.

It's not a law, it's at the discretion of the private insurance companies under what conditions they will insure you and at what cost.
The law just states that you must have valid insurance as agreed in your policy.

Joker2019

tuxy wrote: »

True most probably aren't. But if it is illegal to make a living by other illegal activities then so is this. Truth is you will probably find a dodgy employer that will take you on with N plates and no insurance. But know the risks, not just to your self but other people you could **** over if you are involved in an accident.
It takes ages to get paid out if hit by someone who is uninsured so that person is in real trouble if they are supporting a family and need their car for work.

How could an insurance company prove that you were doing deliveries?

tuxy

Joker2019 wrote: »

How could an insurance company prove that you were doing deliveries?

It's fairly obvious, do you think what a guard has observed would be dismissed in court over your word. All that food with different recipes and bags for keeping it warm was for yourself? Your employer won't lie to the guards about you working either and will just say he was unaware that you did not take out the correct insurance.

andekwarhola

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Not only that, but if you get pulled in by the filth, they could take your car from off of you.

Genuinely embarrassed for you.

Atlantic Dawn

Anyone you hit will be covered, the danger is by saying you are driving your car privately and not commercially your insurer will invalidate you insurance and sue you for any payouts they have to do on your behalf.

tuxy

andekwarhola wrote: »

Genuinely embarrassed for you.

They sound British are you embarrassed because of the latest brexit developments?

AndrewJRenko

Joker2019 wrote: »

Seems ridiculous that you need special insurance why can't you just drive with regular insurance seems like a really stupid law if you ask me.

Think it through. The more you drive, the higher the risk of a claim. Why should people who just use their cars for domestic stuff pay a share of the costs of your business operation?

andekwarhola

tuxy wrote: »

They sound British are you embarrassed because of the latest brexit developments?

No?

tuxy

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Think it through. The more you drive, the higher the risk of a claim. Why should people who just use their cars for domestic stuff pay a share of the costs of your business operation?

That's a bit unfair, you can't be expected to think it through before starting a thread in after hours.

B.A._Baracus

Look, being a takeaway driver is a nixer. Sure some takeaways go official and through the books. Vast vast majority don't and I mean nearly them all.
You don't pay tax. It's off the books. Whatever expression you wanna use.
Takeaways only care if you got a car and are reliable (reliable meaning if you say you'll work Tuesday then you work Tuesday, not taking an hour to go down the road, cutting them short, common sense stuff)

So man if you wanna work as a takeaway driver then go for it. Would some takeaways care if you got an L plate? Some would. Some wouldn't.
Better question is should you even tell them? Take off the L sticker. Yeah yeah, if the guards stop you. This and that. You won't be the only L driver going around with his or her sticker off. Sorry about that guard. I'll get one tomorrow.

You don't put down nixers on your CV and most guards aren't gonna come down on some kid trying to make some extra money.

Yer Da sells Avon

andekwarhola wrote: »

Genuinely embarrassed for you.

Why?

Edgware

tuxy wrote: »

It's fairly obvious, do you think what a guard has observed would be dismissed in court over your word. All that food with different recipes and bags for keeping it warm was for yourself? Your employer won't lie to the guards about you working either and will just say he was unaware that you did not take out the correct insurance.

If he is an employer he is responsible for ensuring that his employee has correct insurance.
If the driver is reliant on tips only then he does not have an employer, he is self employed

arybvtcw0eolkf

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Look, being a takeaway driver is a nixer. Sure some takeaways go official and through the books. Vast vast majority don't and I mean nearly them all.
You don't pay tax. It's off the books. Whatever expression you wanna use.
Takeaways only care if you got a car and are reliable (reliable meaning if you say you'll work Tuesday then you work Tuesday, not taking an hour to go down the road, cutting them short, common sense stuff)

So man if you wanna work as a takeaway driver then go for it. Would some takeaways care if you got an L plate? Some would. Some wouldn't.
Better question is should you even tell them? Take off the L sticker. Yeah yeah, if the guards stop you. This and that. You won't be the only L driver going around with his or her sticker off. Sorry about that guard. I'll get one tomorrow.

You don't put down nixers on your CV and most guards aren't gonna come down on some kid trying to make some extra money.

This.

Done deliveries myself for a few years and my son done them right through college.

No one give's a crap if you're on an N plate doing deliveries (including An Garda). A Garda will never ask if you've got commercial insurance, neither will the shop and if you're in an accident and you tell your insurance company you were nixxering then you're an idiot because there's no other way they'll find out.

If the shop wants to put you on the books (it happens, but rarely) go to another shop.

If you're stuck for a few bob it can be really good money on the weekends but expect quiet mid week nights. You'll get paid per delivery plus your tips, keep away from the likes of Four Star Pizza, McDonalds etc and stick with your local Chinese or chippers.

AndrewJRenko

Abby Ambitious Zinger wrote: »

No one give's a crap if you're on an N plate doing deliveries (including An Garda). A Garda will never ask if you've got commercial insurance

That's fairly dangerous advice to be giving.


https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/348140/limerick-driver-who-was-not-insured-for-pizza-delivery-avoids-ban.html

Abby Ambitious Zinger wrote: »

if you're in an accident and you tell your insurance company you were nixxering then you're an idiot because there's no other way they'll find out.

I guess they just might find out if they see a pile of pizza boxes on the front seat. Or they might notice the branded jacket that you're wearing. Or they might notice that you've been parking illegally outside the takeaway frequently. If you think Gardai won't find out what you're up to, you're definitely the idiot.


If you're going to drive for a living, you need commercial insurance. Don't be sponging off the rest of us.

Omackeral

BDI wrote: »

What are you in college for?

Probably to learn stuff.

arybvtcw0eolkf

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

That's fairly dangerous advice to be giving.

From your posts in the cycling forum, youtube and on cycling threads here in AH if there's one person in the world I can't devote my life to debating anything with is you.

But I'll just answer this, it wasn't advice I was passing on my experience.

Answer me if you wish but I don't have the time you have to endlessly discuss the smallest most pedantic things which you have the time to do.

OP, if you're stuck for a few bob its not the worst way in the world to make money, thats the short answer.

Yer Da sells Avon

Abby Ambitious Zinger wrote: »

No one give's a crap if you're on an N plate doing deliveries (including An Garda). A Garda will never ask if you've got commercial insurance, neither will the shop and if you're in an accident and you tell your insurance company you were nixxering then you're an idiot because there's no other way they'll find out.

On more than one occasion, the Garda Traffic Twitter account has posted photos of cars confiscated from food delivery drivers who didn't have commercial insurance. I'm sure it's very rare, but you could be unlucky and meet the Garda who does give a crap.

Edgware

BDI wrote: »

What are you in college for?

The toilets dont clean themselves

AndrewJRenko

Abby Ambitious Zinger wrote: »

From your posts in the cycling forum, youtube and on cycling threads here in AH if there's one person in the world I can't devote my life to debating anything with is you.

Well boo hoo hoo, how will I manage to sleep tonight?

Abby Ambitious Zinger wrote: »

OP, if you're stuck for a few bob its not the worst way in the world to make money, thats the short answer.

The slightly longer answer is that, if you do deliveries without commercial insurance, you are driving without insurance.

Commercial insurance may be unavailable or very, very expensive for a novice driver.

If you're caught driving without insurance, as well as the consequences in Court, you may find it very difficult to get insurance cover for anything in the future.

Mike3549

Well if you drive for dominos, you will be insured by their insurance while delivering. But your car has to be up to date with your own insurance, tax and nct. You will get something like payslip at the end of the shift and it will be your responsibility to declare it to revenue, but nobody does that

Ubbquittious

If you crash your car quickly scoff the pizza and throw the bag in the bin. You don't want to be hungry while the guards are questioning you and going through the post accident rigmarole. It will be stressful enough without having to worry about when you're going to eat.

I suppose there is some goody two shoes here going to say he'll get a criminal conviction for stealing a pizza as well as driving uninsured if he does that.

AndrewJRenko

Ubbquittious wrote: »

If you crash your car quickly scoff the pizza and throw the bag in the bin. You don't want to be hungry while the guards are questioning you and going through the post accident rigmarole. It will be stressful enough without having to worry about when you're going to eat.

I suppose there is some goody two shoes here going to say he'll get a criminal conviction for stealing a pizza as well as driving uninsured if he does that.

Should he also eat the warming bag and branded jacket?

Ubbquittious

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Should he also eat the warming bag and branded jacket?

bag goes in the nearest bin. the jacket wouldn't cause too much bother anyone could have one of those lying in the car

AndrewJRenko

Ubbquittious wrote: »

bag goes in the nearest bin. the jacket wouldn't cause too much bother anyone could have one of those lying in the car

Yes, it's always good to know that there will be a bin handy when you crash your car. The Gardai will undoubtedly never see through a story as clever as 'Ah I just had that jacket lying in the car'. It's just so absolutely foolproof.


Rock on so.

Ubbquittious

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Yes, it's always good to know that there will be a bin handy when you crash your car. The Gardai will undoubtedly never see through a story as clever as 'Ah I just had that jacket lying in the car'. It's just so absolutely foolproof.


Rock on so.

I have a branded jacket belonging to some crowd in my car. Doesnt mean i work for them or am a delivery driver.

AndrewJRenko

Ubbquittious wrote: »

I have a branded jacket belonging to some crowd in my car. Doesnt mean i work for them or am a delivery driver.

You are clearly way, way smarter than the entire Garda force. There's no way they could possible get anything on you.

Sleeper12

Joker2019 wrote:

Seems ridiculous that you need special insurance why can't you just drive with regular insurance seems like a really stupid law if you ask me.

Why would delivery drivers be treated differently to anyone else that drives for a living? If you drive commercially then you require commercial insurance. Believe it or not even people minding one or two children for extra cash need "nanny" vehicle insurance

tuxy

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Why would delivery drivers be treated differently to anyone else that drives for a living? If you drive commercially then you require commercial insurance. Believe it or not even people minding one or two children for extra cash need "nanny" vehicle insurance

Because they work for very low pay sometimes less than minimum wage since it's off the book. So some Garda may take pity on them but I wouldn't want to be reliant on only encountering that type of Garda. And of course that's only if you are stopped, things would have to be done by the book in the case of an accident.