Tulsi Gabbard

15-10-2019 7:36am #1

Seems the Democratic MSM and the Twitterverse all hate her. Yet she ticks all the diversity boxes: she's ethnic Samoan, a woman, anti war and Liberal on spending. There have been several hit pieces on her being a Russian spy and an Assad lover among others, which are utterly ridiculous.

Then there was Google shutting down her Google Ads account right after the first debate, depriving her of funding.

The only thing I can see is that she's against third term abortions... A pretty reasonable stance assuming she excludes FFA from that (I haven't checked).

The only other thing I can see is that she is a very beautiful and fit woman, and actually comes across as genuine so doesn't fit the feminist penis envy archetype, but is an actual strong woman. Also she doesn't play identity politics like the rest of them. Thoughts?

suicide_circus · 15-10-2019 7:55am

riffmongous · 15-10-2019 8:02am

Why should I care? Never heard of her before, from your description she's fairly unremarkable except people don't like her.

seamus · 15-10-2019 8:02am

You're making the assumption that identity politics is all that matters to "the left", hence your confusion as to why they wouldn't be all over someone based on their race and gender.

As far as I can tell, she's basically seagulling the Democratic party; coming in, making a lot of noise and sh1tting all over everything.

You might say that talk of her being a Russian asset is ridiculous, but then consider that you're here starting a thread about how great she is when you're clearly not on "her side", and across the web it's virtually only nazis and Russian bots who are shouting her name in praise and demanding justice. So it seems reasonable that she's at least a useful idiot in the propaganda war.

Realistically she's either too left for the Democrats (like AOC) and the alt-right are trying to use her to discredit them, or she is actually there to deliberately sow discord in the democratic race.

SexBobomb · 15-10-2019 8:08am

She made Kamala Harris look bad so Gabbard has to be taken down a few pegs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4fjA0K2EeE&t=440s

ohnonotgmail · 15-10-2019 8:12am

seamus wrote: »

You're making the assumption that identity politics is all that matters to "the left", hence your confusion as to why they wouldn't be all over someone based on their race and gender.

As far as I can tell, she's basically seagulling the Democratic party; coming in, making a lot of noise and sh1tting all over everything.

You might say that talk of her being a Russian asset is ridiculous, but then consider that you're here starting a thread about how great she is when you're clearly not on "her side", and across the web it's virtually only nazis and Russian bots who are shouting her name in praise and demanding justice. So it seems reasonable that she's at least a useful idiot in the propaganda war.

Realistically she's either too left for the Democrats (like AOC) and the alt-right are trying to use her to discredit them, or she is actually there to deliberately sow discord in the democratic race.

Reads post. Notices what the next post is. Yep, spot on.

SkepticQuark · 15-10-2019 8:27am

She cozy with Modi who's a Hindu nationalist and has gone further right on healthcare now that she's becoming irrelevant. Has nothing to do with identity politics when your politics are ****ty. Thank you, next.

15-10-2019 9:17am

SkepticQuark wrote: »

She cozy with Modi who's a Hindu nationalist and has gone further right on healthcare now that she's becoming irrelevant. Has nothing to do with identity politics when your politics are ****ty. Thank you, next.

Is she though? See this is more unsubstantiated rubbish.

.. Aannd the Bidens are up to their eyeballs in corruption in Ukraine. You can bet any Democratic candidate that wins will lick Saudi Arabia's ass.

15-10-2019 9:19am

seamus wrote: »

or she is actually there to deliberately sow discord in the democratic race.

They are doing a fine job of that on their own. Pointing out Kamala Harris' hypocrisy was a valuable service to the people of the US.

biko · 15-10-2019 9:21am

The Squad are the best assets the Russians could ever hope for.

Donald Trump · 15-10-2019 9:32am

suicide_circus wrote: »

Pffttt. She's no Melania - She's an 8 on a good day. 6 or 7 normally

sk8erboii · 15-10-2019 9:37am

Actually cringing at the thought of someone from Ireland using all those American buzz words without a hint of irony.

ancapailldorcha · 15-10-2019 9:40am

Deleted User wrote: »

Seems the Democratic MSM....

Anyone else lose interest at this point?

ohnonotgmail · 15-10-2019 9:45am

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Anyone else lose interest at this point?

the username was enough for me.

Tchaikovsky · 15-10-2019 9:52am

That's not a picture of Tulsi Gabbard.

suicide_circus · 15-10-2019 10:08am

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

That's not a picture of Tulsi Gabbard.

oh. woops. google lied to me.

mcmoustache · 15-10-2019 10:08am

She's the main candidate being pushed by Russian State media and bots. It's why she's so popular in alt-right and conservative circles.

Yet for some reason, the alt-right and conservatives who like her can't understand why Dem voters and establishment don't like their favourite candidate.

suicide_circus · 15-10-2019 10:18am

mcmoustache wrote: »

She's the main candidate being pushed by Russian State media and bots. It's why she's so popular in alt-right and conservative circles.

Yet for some reason, the alt-right and conservatives who like her can't understand why Dem voters and establishment don't like their favourite candidate.

Is she in on this alt right kremlin conspiracy or just a pawn?

SJW Lover · 15-10-2019 10:25am

sk8erboii wrote: »

Actually cringing at the thought of someone from Ireland using all those American buzz words without a hint of irony.

Says "skater-boy" without a hint of self awareness

15-10-2019 10:28am

All those talking about Russian bots here will attack right wing conspiracy nuts without a trace of irony. Alex Jones style reporting is the norm now in the US on both sides of the aisle.

SJW Lover · 15-10-2019 10:29am

Tulsi is great. Anti-war which is all that matters given the US history of imperialism. She'd be a fantastic President. But she hasnt a hope and i refer you to McMoustache's comment above which is a parrotting of the mainstream media smear position on her. "Russian talking points" - did you ever hear such guff.

SJW Lover · 15-10-2019 10:30am

mcmoustache wrote: »

She's the main candidate being pushed by Russian State media and bots.

You really havent a hope against Trump. And you still cant see why.

15-10-2019 10:32am

mcmoustache wrote: »

She's the main candidate being pushed by Russian State media and bots. It's why she's so popular in alt-right and conservative circles.

Yet for some reason, the alt-right and conservatives who like her can't understand why Dem voters and establishment don't like their favourite candidate.

15-10-2019 10:34am

She is the only candidate, apart from perhaps Andrew Yang, that is anything approaching a normal sensible person. Trump is going to win a landslide.

Truth is the Democrats love the US war machine every bit as much as the Republicans.

mcmoustache · 15-10-2019 10:36am

suicide_circus wrote: »

Is she in on this alt right kremlin conspiracy or just a pawn?

Just a pawn, I would imagine with some common positions such as the support for Assad thrown in for good measure.

It's completely rational for Russia to support her given her positions on issues such as Syria and it would be negligent of them if they didn't. Why not promote the candidate with the least hostile stance towards Russia?

But while Russia promoting here isn't really that interesting, what is interesting is how much it bleeds over into alt-right social media circles as well. It could be a coincidence. The same thing happens with Sweden as well. Russia Today is full of stories about Sweden, usually immigrant crime of the day type stuff, and I see the same obsession in alt-right circles. Again, it could just be a coincidence.

mcmoustache · 15-10-2019 10:38am

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, I mean, here you are, supporting Trump and wondering why the Dems won't support your favourite candidate. If you don't see anything odd about that, I'm not sure I can help you.

sk8erboii · 15-10-2019 10:54am

SJW Lover wrote: »

Says "skater-boy" without a hint of self awareness

I know youre a rereg troll but my first hundred posts were all ironic.

15-10-2019 10:54am

mcmoustache wrote: »

Well, I mean, here you are, supporting Trump and wondering why the Dems won't support your favourite candidate. If you don't see anything odd about that, I'm not sure I can help you.

Supporting Trump??? I don't support Trump - I detest him. I said he's going to win against the current crop of Dem front runners. Very different things.

mcmoustache · 15-10-2019 11:00am

Deleted User wrote: »

Supporting Trump??? I don't support Trump - I detest him. I said he's going to win against the current crop of Dem front runners. Very different things.

Fair enough. But do you think Dem voters would vote for Gabbard in sufficient numbers to defeat Trump? If she's polling in low single digits, I don't see how she would be popular enough to defeat someone like Trump who will get at least 80% of the republican vote. To beat Trump, she needs to be able to receive more votes than him in the battleground states. If she isn't popular with Dem voters, I don't see how that's even possible.

15-10-2019 11:27am

mcmoustache wrote: »

Fair enough. But do you think Dem voters would vote for Gabbard in sufficient numbers to defeat Trump? If she's polling in low single digits, I don't see how she would be popular enough to defeat someone like Trump who will get at least 80% of the republican vote. To beat Trump, she needs to be able to receive more votes than him in the battleground states. If she isn't popular with Dem voters, I don't see how that's even possible.

Most Dems will vote for any democratic candidate over Trump (except Hillary.. Even some Dems wouldn't vote for her) . Independents, undecideds and even a few Republicans would vote for someone like tulsi. They wouldn't vote for Sanders or Warren, too "socialist" maybe they would for Biden.

mcmoustache · 15-10-2019 11:50am

Deleted User wrote: »

Most Dems will vote for any democratic candidate over Trump (except Hillary.. Even some Dems wouldn't vote for her) . Independents, undecideds and even a few Republicans would vote for someone like tulsi. They wouldn't vote for Sanders or Warren, too "socialist" maybe they would for Biden.

The thing is though, is that she is only about a 10th as popular as Hillary was among Dem voters. If she was as popular as Hillary, who wasn't that popular, she would be polling at least in the 20's at this point.

I get that she is popular with some Trump voters but she would need to gain a crazy amount of Trump voters to make up for her lack of interest if not outright hostility among Dems.

15-10-2019 12:47pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

The thing is though, is that she is only about a 10th as popular as Hillary was among Dem voters. If she was as popular as Hillary, who wasn't that popular, she would be polling at least in the 20's at this point.

I get that she is popular with some Trump voters but she would need to gain a crazy amount of Trump voters to make up for her lack of interest if not outright hostility among Dems.

Yeah but that's popularity among Democratic candidates. The Dem candidate will be running against Trump ultimately, not another Democrat. I really question if the crazy attitudes that the mainstream Dems talk about really appeals to the Democratic base... Working class people in Iowa for example?

begsbyOnaTrain · 15-10-2019 12:58pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I really question if the crazy attitudes that the mainstream Dems talk about really appeals to the Democratic base... Working class people in Iowa for example?

If I were the Reps, I'd just re-run the recent Dems LGBT debate night over and over in the swing states. The bs mad nutter grabbing the mike at the end was hilarious.

notobtuse · 15-10-2019 12:59pm

I understand Gabbard’s no longer boycotting the commercialized reality television event (aka debate) tonight. She might be the most interesting thing about CNN’s DNC lovefest. She pretty much took Kamala Harris out of the race in July with the attacks on her record. I wonder who she’ll put in her crosshairs tonight.

My question for tonight’s debate… Will the mainstream media again give Biden another win, merely for surviving, or will they concede Biden is toast and hook their wagons up to Warren? The softball questions pitched to the candidates will be telling.

mcmoustache · 15-10-2019 1:07pm

notobtuse wrote: »

I understand Gabbard’s no longer boycotting the commercialized reality television event (aka debate) tonight. She might be the most interesting thing about CNN’s DNC lovefest. She pretty much took Kamala Harris out of the race in July with the attacks on her record. I wonder who she’ll put in her crosshairs tonight.

My question for tonight’s debate… Will the mainstream media again give Biden another win, merely for surviving, or will they concede Biden is toast and hook their wagons up to Warren? The softball questions pitched to the candidates will be telling.

The "winner" of these debates is very subjective and can be safely disregarded. What matters ultimately is how it changes polling. Right now, Warren and Biden are neck and neck with Bernie a distant third. In fact, Biden's polling has barely changed and it looks like Warren is absorbing Sanders supporters.

With regard to Gabbard, she's barely registering. She'll probably provide some soundbytes for Russia Today and Trumpy twitter but I don't see her having much of a productive impact.

rossie1977 · 15-10-2019 1:12pm

She hasn't been able to poll above 1% since entering race. Clearly voters simply aren't interested in her message

Boom_Bap · 15-10-2019 1:12pm

For the layman, who is this now, and where can I see more of her...erm.... policies?

mcmoustache · 15-10-2019 1:15pm

Boom_Bap wrote: »

For the layman, who is this now, and where can I see more of her...erm.... policies?

Here you go. This website has loads of articles about her.

https://www.rt.com/trends/tulsi-gabbard-hawaii-us/

notobtuse · 15-10-2019 1:24pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

The "winner" of these debates is very subjective and can be safely disregarded. What matters ultimately is how it changes polling. Right now, Warren and Biden are neck and neck with Bernie a distant third. In fact, Biden's polling has barely changed and it looks like Warren is absorbing Sanders supporters.

With regard to Gabbard, she's barely registering. She'll probably provide some soundbytes for Russia Today and Trumpy twitter but I don't see her having much of a productive impact.

If Gabbard goes after some of the candidates on tough issues (which should be CNN’s job), she will be doing something productive. She has no chance of winning but would do the country great service if she illustrates the fact that with media entities like CNN and The New York Times… democracy dies in bias.

Sonny noggs · 15-10-2019 1:27pm

sk8erboii wrote: »

Actually cringing at the thought of someone from Ireland using all those American buzz words without a hint of irony.

Says the antifa cheerleader. Pot, meet kettle.

Overheal · 15-10-2019 1:32pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Seems the Democratic MSM and the Twitterverse all hate her. Yet she ticks all the diversity boxes: she's ethnic Samoan, a woman, anti war and Liberal on spending. There have been several hit pieces on her being a Russian spy and an Assad lover among others, which are utterly ridiculous.

Then there was Google shutting down her Google Ads account right after the first debate, depriving her of funding.

The only thing I can see is that she's against third term abortions... A pretty reasonable stance assuming she excludes FFA from that (I haven't checked).

The only other thing I can see is that she is a very beautiful and fit woman, and actually comes across as genuine so doesn't fit the feminist penis envy archetype, but is an actual strong woman. Also she doesn't play identity politics like the rest of them. Thoughts?

hatrickpatrick · 15-10-2019 1:35pm

She doesn't believe in intervening in foreign wars, specifically Syria. And apparently the Democrats are all for that now.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 15-10-2019 1:40pm

SkepticQuark wrote: »

She cozy with Modi who's a Hindu nationalist and has gone further right on healthcare now that she's becoming irrelevant. Has nothing to do with identity politics when your politics are ****ty. Thank you, next.

She is a bit too cosy with modi. It’s not like the US has broken relationship with India.

By and large though the problem with her as far as the US establishment is concerned is that she is genuinely anti war.

As we can see here that’s enough to get accusations of alt-right, nationalist, Putin, Russian etc.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 15-10-2019 1:42pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

Just a pawn, I would imagine with some common positions such as the support for Assad thrown in for good measure.

It's completely rational for Russia to support her given her positions on issues such as Syria and it would be negligent of them if they didn't. Why not promote the candidate with the least hostile stance towards Russia?

But while Russia promoting here isn't really that interesting, what is interesting is how much it bleeds over into alt-right social media circles as well. It could be a coincidence. The same thing happens with Sweden as well. Russia Today is full of stories about Sweden, usually immigrant crime of the day type stuff, and I see the same obsession in alt-right circles. Again, it could just be a coincidence.

What’s more interesting is how a democratic anti war candidate gets smeared. You guys are literally the modern incarceration of the US imperialist right during the Cold War who saw Russians and internal enemies anywhere. Anybody who opposed war then, as now, was a Russian stoodge.

notobtuse · 15-10-2019 1:45pm

Boom_Bap wrote: »

For the layman, who is this now, and where can I see more of her...erm.... policies?

She warrants my respect...

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SJW Lover · 15-10-2019 1:45pm

sk8erboii wrote: »

I know youre a rereg troll but my first hundred posts were all ironic.

I am not a re-reg and, as i said previously, i am happy for anyone to check that out. Nothing to hide here. You must be in a state of constant euphoria given how incredibly smart you are :rolleyes:

hatrickpatrick · 15-10-2019 1:46pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

What’s more interesting is how a democratic anti war candidate gets smeared. You guys are literally the modern incarceration of the US imperialist right during the Cold War who saw Russians and internal enemies anywhere. Anybody who opposed war then, as now, was a Russian stoodge.

This. It's completely insane. The Republicans are supposed to be the party of war hawks. The Dems by and large positioned themselves as the opposition to that during the Bush years, as well as the infringement upon privacy brought in by the NSA and others, and yet as soon as Obama took charge, the status quo carried on and suddenly the Dems made every excuse in the book to justify this sh!te. That's actually one of the main reasons I opposed Hillary Clinton long before she was even a 2016 candidate, her attacks on whistleblowers and defence of warrantless universal surveillance of electronic communications as revealed by Edward Snowden are, as far as I'm concerned, designators of someone who doesn't belong in any party other than an openly far-right authoritarian one. It's absolutely bizarre to see a supposedly centre-left party embrace this kind of crap.

SJW Lover · 15-10-2019 1:46pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Supporting Trump??? I don't support Trump - I detest him. I said he's going to win against the current crop of Dem front runners. Very different things.

That won't compute for this poster. Nuance is an alien thing. I find Trump utterly detestable in so many ways. But he aint working with Russia and, if you believe that, you're a dangerous fool.

hatrickpatrick · 15-10-2019 1:47pm

notobtuse wrote: »

She warrants my respect...

I'd certainly be happy to serve under her :pac:

notobtuse · 15-10-2019 1:49pm

SJW Lover wrote: »

I am not a re-reg and, as i said previously, i am happy for anyone to check that out. Nothing to hide here. You must be in a state of constant euphoria given how incredibly smart you are :rolleyes:

Have you ever noticed the many attacks on you always seem to follow Alinsky’s Rules For Radicals?

SJW Lover · 15-10-2019 1:49pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

She hasn't been able to poll above 1% since entering race. Clearly voters simply aren't interested in her message

Yet she is the most searched for candidate by a country mile after the debates and even in the debates where the DNC conspire to not have her on stage. Which is where the bot rubbish comes from. People like Tulsi and the establishment heads will just have to get over it and beat her fair and square. I'd trust people clicks rather than polls produced by the establishment.

Tulsi Gabbard

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