teacher/student affairs

Galwayguy35

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I find it disgusting and creepy and wrong, no matter what the circumstances.

There is a wider double standard, true, but it seems fuelled as much by men as women “I’d have loved that as a teenager” kind of commentary.

Because it's true, some of those teachers in America were total rides and I remember what it was like to be a horny teenager.

Paddy Cow

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Because it's true, some of those teachers in America were total rides and I remember what it was like to be a horny teenager.

This is the problem though. So many men look back and think "I wish I was lucky enough to ride the sexy teacher". They see it as all fun and games. A fantasy. Some of the young teenagers have spoken out as adults and said that it actually affected them but they didn't feel like they could talk about the abuse because everyone thought they should feel lucky to have gotton the ride. If they say they feel taken advantage of they get laughed at, which is appalling.

It's not a "nicccceeeee" joke. Initially a teenage male might feel flattered that an older women takes an interest in him and they do the deed but that doesn't mean it can't mess him up emotionally, just like a teenage female who thinks she's all grown up because an older man takes an interest in her.

I'm sick of men making the "nice" joke and to a lesser extent, women down playing adult women taking advantage of impressionable teenage boys as being flirtatious fun and not something that can be harmful to their development.

I bet if it was male teachers in their 20's and 30's taking advantage of teenage boys people would be less forgiving of the "boys will be boys" mentality and take it more seriously.

Salthillprom

One happened in my secondary school in the late 90s. Girl in my class and a teacher in his late 20s or early 30s. They were snogging the face off each other at our debs, which took place in the middle of our Leaving Cert. year. Not sure how long they were seeing each other before or after that event. It raised a few eyebrows but wasn't treated with utter shock at the time. No idea why. She was 17.

nkl12xtw5goz70

Paddy Cow wrote: »

This is the problem though. So many men look back and think "I wish I was lucky enough to ride the sexy teacher". They see it as all fun and games. A fantasy.

It's been represented that way for a very long time. Van Halen's iconic '80s video "Hot for Teacher," for instance.

The cultural double standard is glaring. When Kate Winslet in The Reader played a 36-year-old woman who seduces a 15-year-old boy, she took home an Oscar. When Jeremy Irons starred in a remake of Lolita alongside the then 15-year-old Dominique Swain, the film was widely condemned, had trouble finding a distributor, and was banned in Australia for two years. Needless to say, Irons was not feted by the Academy for portraying a child abuser, while Winslet received numerous accolades for a far more sexually explicit performance.

nkl12xtw5goz70

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Not anymore it isn't. Kids start at 5 instead of 4 and with transition year and/or repeating the leaving, they can easily be 19/20 before they leave!

That's a fair point. But if a 20-year-old woman is still in secondary school, she probably has more in common with an early-20s teacher than with most of the other students, and so it's not surprising to see a romantic attraction develop.

I certainly understand the need for rules to protect children, but 20-year-olds aren't children.

14dMoney

Paddy Cow wrote: »

This is the problem though. So many men look back and think "I wish I was lucky enough to ride the sexy teacher". They see it as all fun and games. A fantasy. Some of the young teenagers have spoken out as adults and said that it actually affected them but they didn't feel like they could talk about the abuse because everyone thought they should feel lucky to have gotton the ride. If they say they feel taken advantage of they get laughed at, which is appalling.

It's not a "nicccceeeee" joke. Initially a teenage male might feel flattered that an older women takes an interest in him and they do the deed but that doesn't mean it can't mess him up emotionally, just like a teenage female who thinks she's all grown up because an older man takes an interest in her.

I'm sick of men making the "nice" joke and to a lesser extent, women down playing adult women taking advantage of impressionable teenage boys as being flirtatious fun and not something that can be harmful to their development.

I bet if it was male teachers in their 20's and 30's taking advantage of teenage boys people would be less forgiving of the "boys will be boys" mentality and take it more seriously.

The issue here is toxic masculinity. Treating this as something to be attained. The students are as bad, if not worse than the teachers. It's worth noting also, that all of this toxic masculinity pressurises the female teacher to perform lewd acts. They are the victim more so than anything!

rob316

What self respecting teenage lad didn't dream of riding his hot teacher?

J Mysterio

14dMoney wrote: »

The issue here is toxic masculinity. Treating this as something to be attained. The students are as bad, if not worse than the teachers. It's worth noting also, that all of this toxic masculinity pressurises the female teacher to perform lewd acts. They are the victim more so than anything!

Wtf?

14dMoney

J Mysterio wrote: »

Wtf?

Read again... Slowly

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Matteo Icy Nail wrote: »

The cultural double standard is glaring. When Kate Winslet in The Reader played a 36-year-old woman who seduces a 15-year-old boy, she took home an Oscar. When Jeremy Irons starred in a remake of Lolita alongside the then 15-year-old Dominique Swain, the film was widely condemned, had trouble finding a distributor, and was banned in Australia for two years. Needless to say, Irons was not feted by the Academy for portraying a child abuser, while Winslet received numerous accolades for a far more sexually explicit performance.

A 15 year old boy played by a 19 year old actor. As opposed to a 12 year old played by an actual child. Kind of an important detail when you're comparing how the two films were received.

Andrea Arnold's Fishtank is widely regarded as one of the best films of this century, despite dealing with an explicit sexual relationship between a man in his 30s and his girlfriend's teenage daughter.

There is a double standard but it's not as simplistic and explicit as you're portraying there.

Be like me comparing the critical reception of Cougartown and Lost In Translation to illustrate the gendered double standard between age gap relationships between adults.

nkl12xtw5goz70

Louis Purring Cornmeal wrote: »

A 15 year old boy played by a 19 year old actor. As opposed to a 12 year old played by an actual child. Kind of an important detail when you're comparing how the two films were received.

Ironically, you got these "important details" wrong. Kross was 16 when he auditioned for the part and 17 during most of filming.

Swain was 15, playing a 14-year-old—the character's age was changed for the film—and unlike Kross, she filmed no explicit scenes.

Regardless, you seem to be suggesting that simulating sex with a 14- or 15-year-old child would be acceptable if the actor were older, and many people may disagree with that.

Feisar

Da fuq? Who thought this was a good idea?

Galwayguy35

Paddy Cow wrote: »

This is the problem though. So many men look back and think "I wish I was lucky enough to ride the sexy teacher". They see it as all fun and games. A fantasy. Some of the young teenagers have spoken out as adults and said that it actually affected them but they didn't feel like they could talk about the abuse because everyone thought they should feel lucky to have gotton the ride. If they say they feel taken advantage of they get laughed at, which is appalling.

It's not a "nicccceeeee" joke. Initially a teenage male might feel flattered that an older women takes an interest in him and they do the deed but that doesn't mean it can't mess him up emotionally, just like a teenage female who thinks she's all grown up because an older man takes an interest in her.

I'm sick of men making the "nice" joke and to a lesser extent, women down playing adult women taking advantage of impressionable teenage boys as being flirtatious fun and not something that can be harmful to their development.

I bet if it was male teachers in their 20's and 30's taking advantage of teenage boys people would be less forgiving of the "boys will be boys" mentality and take it more seriously.

Never said it was appropriate behaviour but it's a fact that the vast majority of 15 to 17 year old lads would be only delighted to get a shag off a good looking teacher if it was offered on a plate.

zanador

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Never said it was appropriate behaviour but it's a fact that the vast majority of 15 to 17 year old lads would be only delighted to get a shag off a good looking teacher if it was offered on a plate.

They may think they would.

Same as teenage girls could think they'd love a bitta romance from an older man.

gwalk

mr_fegelien wrote: »

I repeat my LC this year and I was 21 lads.... Did it in 2017 got 20 points, redid it and got 114 points.

should spend more time studying and less time on boards so with those kinda points

banie01

gwalk wrote: »

should spend more time studying and less time on boards so with those kinda points

And 1 of his favourite questions when his being an idiot is raised???


Why! :pac:

randd1

Not necessarily a teacher, but there was 3 girls in my leaving cert year who were 16/17 who all had boyfriends in their mid/late 20's and had been seeing them a while.

I don't know how it happened, but we ended us discussing inappropriate relationships in a class one day, and the three girls (who had a bit of a mean girls vibe going on) were on about how they preferred to have older lads as their fella's because they were more mature compared to lads their own age.

I ended up causing absolute war in the classroom when I just happened to point out that if they were that mature they'd be with girls their own age instead of girls that were newborns as they were in the early stages of puberty, and wouldn't have committed statutory rape by sleeping with underage girls, and that any lad that that's heading towards 30 that see's a mid teen girl as someone to have a genuine sexual relationship with definitely had paedophile tendencies.

The girls lost their **** screaming at me calling me all the names under the sun, I kept telling them over and over again that all I said was the truth and that they were too young a naïve to see it, the rest of the lads in the class started slagging off the girls (with phrases like jailbait, paedo lover), the rest of the girls in the class were a mixture of either laughing at the three girls or expressing horror at them being laughed at. The teacher had a look of absolute horror and disgust on her face and not with me either, and ended up with the principal calling the parents of the girls to let them know what happened with the older fella's.

It was a bizarre few weeks after that, and if looks could kill I'd be dead a hundred times over, but I stood by what I said. What's more is that most of my classmates, and a few others who were friends of the girls, said I was dead right to call it for what it was.

The teacher tended to keep the conversations light after that too.

Up Donegal

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

This happens all the time

https://forum.ybig.ie/belfast-teacher-suspended-over-sex-tape_topic46627.html

It says in the article that 'It’s understood the footage, believed to have been recorded by the pair in April...

Why oh why was it recorded in the first place? Surely the teacher/classroom assistant knew the trouble she could get in if it ever went public??

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randd1 wrote: »

Not necessarily a teacher, but there was 3 girls in my leaving cert year who were 16/17 who all had boyfriends in their mid/late 20's and had been seeing them a while.

This reminds me of a girl I used to sit beside for one of my classes in secondary school. She was maybe 17/18 and told us she was having a full on affair with a married man.

I was intrigued and baffled at the time, she would tell us all about it and I'm thinking the stories were just too real to be Walter Mitty stuff. I wonder how that panned out for her in the end.