Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

errlloyd

I just remember Conway scoring that try against South Africa, and me not understanding why they'd ground it over their own line like that.

Cookiemunster

errlloyd wrote: »

Does the alternate not have the same problem as the last alternate? IE being almost the same colour as South Africa, the only nation we wear our alternate against?

We won't be playing SA in Dublin the next 12 months, so it doesn't matter. We'll have a different away jersey before we do. This will be worn in one of the Autumn tests.

Captain_Crash

Cookiemunster wrote: »

We won't be playing SA in Dublin the next 12 months, so it doesn't matter. We'll have a different away jersey before we do. This will be worn in one of the Autumn tests.

Or maybe worn as a warm up jersey like the white/shaded green world cup was one was

shootermacg

Clegg wrote: »

When I say consider a new captain I meant just give it to James Ryan now.

CJ would be my pick, although I'd also have no problem with Ryan.

aloooof

Am I right in saying Sexton was given it just for this season initially? Have a vague memory of that at the time. Wonder how that'll work out now.

Squidgy Black

aloooof wrote: »

Am I right in saying Sexton was given it just for this season initially? Have a vague memory of that at the time. Wonder how that'll work out now.

Yeah he mentioned in an interview that it was "a one campaign thing"

awec

It looks worse when you see it without filters. WTF is with the black bits.

Shefwedfan

aloooof wrote: »

Am I right in saying Sexton was given it just for this season initially? Have a vague memory of that at the time. Wonder how that'll work out now.

Yes it was just till the end of the Aus tour, so I think it would be a bit bad to pull off him now. Maybe give for 1 season with X as back up for him.

shootermacg

shootermacg wrote: »

CJ would be my pick, although I'd also have no problem with Ryan.

I'd have no issue with CJ, he's done a huge amount for Irish rugby and has always been incredibly committed. He's earned honorary Irishman status many times over at this stage.

But I think the IRFU would struggle with the choice. It would draw a lot of criticism from idiot commentators and the noise is something Irish rugby will want to avoid. Not right or fair but will be a consideration I suspect, albeit the players are likely to have more of a say than a subsection of the public.

As for Ryan - he's a nailed on starter, but I don't know if he's a leader within the group to the degree that he'd be nominated captain by the players and ultimately - the choice of captain will be strongly influenced by senior players.

awec

awec wrote: »

It looks worse when you see it without filters. WTF is with the black bits.

Like the leinster jersey, I'm just not a fan of the middle texture part

Former Former

awec wrote: »

It looks worse when you see it without filters. WTF is with the black bits.

They represent strength, power and unity.

OBVIOUSLY

connemara man

awec wrote: »

It looks worse when you see it without filters. WTF is with the black bits.

It's like when a roller is running low on paint!

AbusesToilets

Don't know why they insisted on changing it, thought the WC one was grand

PTH2009

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Don't know why they insisted on changing it, thought the WC one was grand

€€€

I'll happily keep my polos in which were new only a year ago

Part and parcel of sports today with near gear out every few months. The prices are horrendous tbh

clsmooth

shootermacg wrote: »

CJ would be my pick, although I'd also have no problem with Ryan.

Turning down those 3 points in Saracens for a LBP must be a mark against him though. We’ve been blessed with some excellent captains over the past 20 years. No clear cut candidate this time around though.

Buer

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd have no issue with CJ, he's done a huge amount for Irish rugby and has always been incredibly committed. He's earned honorary Irishman status many times over at this stage.

But I think the IRFU would struggle with the choice. It would draw a lot of criticism from idiot commentators and the noise is something Irish rugby will want to avoid. Not right or fair but will be a consideration I suspect, albeit the players are likely to have more of a say than a subsection of the public.

As for Ryan - he's a nailed on starter, but I don't know if he's a leader within the group to the degree that he'd be nominated captain by the players and ultimately - the choice of captain will be strongly influenced by senior players.

It's going to be very hard for them to really identify a captain right at this point in time which is why I think they'll be fairly comfortable to leave it with Sexton for another season (as long as he remains the best option at 10).

Ryan is widely believed to be captain in waiting but I just don't see him as being ready right now. He's definitely coming into his own and developed more since he first came on the scene but I think another season would be of benefit to him.

Outside Sexton and Ryan, Henderson is the most likely option. The leadership group during the 6N was Sexton, POM, Henderson, Ringrose, Furlong and Ryan. I don't see Furlong or Ringrose as being captain material/options. CJ Stander was actually removed from the leadership group, oddly enough. I don't see that as a great indication for any captaincy claims and the fact that he is not a bona fide Irish person won't be in his favour either. POM was long thought to be captain in waiting but having lost his starting spot and also been overlooked for the job during the RWC in favour of Sexton, I think that ship may have sailed.

Henderson is probably in with a strong shout. Good age profile, pretty assured of his spot in the team (although that could change if he's out of the team for October/November) and captains his province. It will probably be a straight call between him and Ryan for the job. If they were to make the call this season, I'd say Henderson. If Sexton remains in place until 2021/22, then I expect Ryan to get the gig.

AbusesToilets

Buer wrote: »

It's going to be very hard for them to really identify a captain right at this point in time which is why I think they'll be fairly comfortable to leave it with Sexton for another season (as long as he remains the best option at 10).

Ryan is widely believed to be captain in waiting but I just don't see him as being ready right now. He's definitely coming into his own and developed more since he first came on the scene but I think another season would be of benefit to him.

Outside Sexton and Ryan, Henderson is the most likely option. The leadership group during the 6N was Sexton, POM, Henderson, Ringrose, Furlong and Ryan. I don't see Furlong or Ringrose as being captain material/options. CJ Stander was actually removed from the leadership group, oddly enough. I don't see that as a great indication for any captaincy claims and the fact that he is not a bona fide Irish person won't be in his favour either. POM was long thought to be captain in waiting but having lost his starting spot and also been overlooked for the job during the RWC in favour of Sexton, I think that ship may have sailed.

Henderson is probably in with a strong shout. Good age profile, pretty assured of his spot in the team (although that could change if he's out of the team for October/November) and captains his province. It will probably be a straight call between him and Ryan for the job. If they were to make the call this season, I'd say Henderson. If Sexton remains in place until 2021/22, then I expect Ryan to get the gig.

I'd be surprised if Henderson was chosen. He's too inconsistent in his performances for me, and doesn't impose himself physically enough for me.

OneLungDavy

Buer wrote: »

It's going to be very hard for them to really identify a captain right at this point in time which is why I think they'll be fairly comfortable to leave it with Sexton for another season (as long as he remains the best option at 10).

Ryan is widely believed to be captain in waiting but I just don't see him as being ready right now. He's definitely coming into his own and developed more since he first came on the scene but I think another season would be of benefit to him.

Outside Sexton and Ryan, Henderson is the most likely option. The leadership group during the 6N was Sexton, POM, Henderson, Ringrose, Furlong and Ryan. I don't see Furlong or Ringrose as being captain material/options. CJ Stander was actually removed from the leadership group, oddly enough. I don't see that as a great indication for any captaincy claims and the fact that he is not a bona fide Irish person won't be in his favour either. POM was long thought to be captain in waiting but having lost his starting spot and also been overlooked for the job during the RWC in favour of Sexton, I think that ship may have sailed.

Henderson is probably in with a strong shout. Good age profile, pretty assured of his spot in the team (although that could change if he's out of the team for October/November) and captains his province. It will probably be a straight call between him and Ryan for the job. If they were to make the call this season, I'd say Henderson. If Sexton remains in place until 2021/22, then I expect Ryan to get the gig.

No way could it be Henderson. Inconsistency aside, he's not a natural leader. You want someone to lead from the front with a somewhat confrontational personality. POM would be perfect, but obviously not a guaranteed starter.

Paul Smeenus

At the end of the day, isn't it voted for by the team? That's certainly how Rory got (and retained) the gig.

nerd69

Sexton for another year and then Ryan seems the obvious way to go

bilston

Henderson wouldn't be my choice for Ireland captain but talk of a lack of physicality and not being a natural leader is very wrong IMO.

Also an in your face physical captain was great in the good old days, but nowadays you need someone who can inspire his teammates by his actions on the pitch, handle the pressure off the pitch, deal with referees and see things methodically on the pitch and be able to make good decisions in the heat of battle.

I suspect Ryan ticks all those boxes.

Buer

OneLungDavy wrote: »

No way could it be Henderson. Inconsistency aside, he's not a natural leader. You want someone to lead from the front with a somewhat confrontational personality. POM would be perfect, but obviously not a guaranteed starter.

It's unlikely to be him but the options are genuinely very thin on the ground. Park your personal opinions about him and consider that he is captain of his province already and in the Irish leadership group (one of only six players). That automatically puts him as one of the most likely options.

Not sure how you think he doesn't lead from the front and I'd consider having a confrontational personality to be as much a hindrance as a help for a captain. Best certainly wasn't that sort of captain.

The most likely scenario is Sexton for one more year and then Ryan. I've long been of the opinion that Doris is going to captain the side at some point though.

Burkie1203

The Italy game is 6 or 7 weeks away and Andy Farrell surely has a lot to consider selection wise.

Front row - Healy Kelleher Furlong/Porter
None of the hookers have really stood out but I'd like to see Kelleher get the nod with an eye to the future.




2nd row - Toner Ryan
Henderson would appear to be out until November. Ryan is due back and goes back into the team


Back row - Doris Stander Conan
It's Italy, so experiment a little. Get three ball carriers on the pitch who all offer something different


Half back - Marmion Byrne
Cooney has gone off the boil, Murray and McGrath have been poor, Maybe JGP?

Centre - Aki, Ringrose

Back 3 - Larmour, Earls and Conway


Bench
Kilcoyne*, Herring, Furlong/Porter**, Baird, Connors/VDF, Murray, Sexton***, Henshaw

* Ed Byrne might get a shot if Kilcoyne is out
** John Ryan next in line
*** off the back of European rounds Sexton might get a week off so Madigan might find himself back in green


Furlong Injury is a bit of an unknown and Leavy probably needs a few months at Leinster before stepping up to International rugby.

Bazzo

Carty and Burns I would say are both ahead of Madigan and I'm not sure Byrne is clearly ahead of either. All 3 did well in the interpro series.

Bealham had another very solid showing and is possibly in the mix with Ryan.

Dillane was very impressive and I think deserves to be close to the 23, but his penalty count might go against him.

Burkie1203

Bazzo wrote: »

Carty and Burns I would say are both ahead of Madigan and I'm not sure Byrne is clearly ahead of either. All 3 did well in the interpro series.

Bealham had another very solid showing and is possibly in the mix with Ryan.

Dillane was very impressive and I think deserves to be close to the 23, but his penalty count might go against him.

Bealham is a good shout actually.

As its Italy i would like us to throw a few newcomers in hence Kelleher, Baird.


Carty Burns Madigan involvement all depends on how much Sexton plays in October. If Sexton plays in the weeks before i can see him sitting this one out. When does the 20/21 European season get underway?


I expect Carty heffernan Dillane will get gametime in the Autumn internationals.

shootermacg

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Bealham is a good shout actually.

As its Italy i would like us to throw a few newcomers in hence Kelleher, Baird.

Did Baird do the calling for Leinster? Also Kelleher throwing to Baird...sounds a bit suspect to me. Maybe with another caller like Beirne at 6, there might be a place for him.

Wegians89

Watching the north vs South Island match yesterday I’d love to see something similar in Ireland. Leinster/Ulster vs Munster/Connacht would be exciting.

Leinster/Ulster could look like:

Healy
Kelleher
Furlong
Henderson
Ryan
Doris
Vdf
Conan
Cooney
Sexton
Lowe
Henshaw
Ringrose
Larmour
Stockdale

Herring
O Sullivan
Porter
Baird
Jordi murphy
Mcgrath
Burns
Addison

Munster/Connacht
Kilcoyne
Scannell
Bealham
Thornbury
Kleyn
Beirne
Butler
Stander
Marmion
Carty
Earls
Bundee
Chris Farrell
Conway
Carbery

Heffernan
Buckley
Ryan
Dillane
Boyle
Murray
Tom Farrell
Shane Daly

nerd69

What a bizzare way to seperate the teams the two largest populations against the two smallest

Wegians89

nerd69 wrote: »

What a bizzare way to seperate the teams the two largest populations against the two smallest

The first rugby match in the Aviva was an under 20 match of the provinces combined in that manner, it’s also how the conferences are separated

Squidgy Black

Wegians89 wrote: »

The first rugby match in the Aviva was an under 20 match of the provinces combined in that manner, it’s also how the conferences are separated

The result of that was also 68-0...