F1 2019 - Round 17 Japan

Tzardine

you really can see that HAM and Diresta dislike each other.

Top Dog

Missed the end unfortunately.

Can anyone tell me how Perez classified 9th even though he crashed out?

Joeface

Not a bad race again but not great either.
Poor start from Vettel but looking at Mercedes pace second was a good result maybe even great. Unlucky for max would have been nice to see how they matched up(redbulls that is ).
Ferrari have an amazing engine. I don't think I have ever seen a DRS on a Mercedes completely nullified. But that has happened a few times this year when chasing down Ferrari , bit of straight and they are gone .Ferrari need a lot of work on the rest of the car. Good job by Bottas ,half expected Lewis to stay out that would have made it interesting.
Charles probably expects a race penalty of some sort.

Stroll did well in the middle of the race, over takes not show . Riccardo twice coming through the field not a bad race for him.
Sainz is having a decent season good drive again . The McLaren is kinda in a no man's land of its own ends up fifth or 6th and clear of the rest of the midfield. Renault have a lot to sort out. Norris was unlucky with his race.

Albon is still not showing a real step up in the Redbull got his 4th place but still well off the lead.
Gasly is driving really well for the demoted , it's seems true what he said he prefers the way the Toro Rosso drives for him.
Sauber seem to be joining Haas in going backwards .

weisses

And again different rules apply when it involves a Ferrari

christy c

Top Dog wrote: »

Missed the end unfortunately.

Can anyone tell me how Perez classified 9th even though he crashed out?

Chequered flag was shown one lap early (even though they did the full race distance) and therefore the official result was taken at the end of the second last lap.

Same thing happened in Canada last year, but from memory the result did not change. Riccardo lost the fastest lap on that occasion though. .

Cool_CM

weisses wrote: »

And again different rules apply when it involves a Ferrari

LeClerc given 2 penalties post-race:
10 seconds and Ferrari fined 25,000 for driving the car in an unsafe condition.
5 seconds and 2 penalty points for the the incident with Max.

No further action indeed

weisses

Cool_CM wrote: »

LeClerc given 2 penalties post-race:
10 seconds and Ferrari fined 25,000 for driving the car in an unsafe condition.
5 seconds and 2 penalty points for the the incident with Max.

No further action indeed

Al handed out after the race.... if these penalties would have been given during the race ... (and there is no reason they couldn't been given ) he wouldn't even have scored points ... so yes, stewards are a farce

Inviere

weisses wrote: »

And again different rules apply when it involves a Ferrari

I was quite surprised about the Vettel jump start not getting a penalty. That was a slam dunk jump start, and he clearly went beyond his yellow marker in doing so. Disappointed for him overall though, would have loved to see him take the win, but quite a good recovery drive all the same.

Joeface

He did go past the yellow marker but didn't brake the box line. I think that's the grey area that saves him. Paul Di alluded to as much in the commentary .

Inviere

Joeface wrote: »

He did go past the yellow marker but didn't brake the box line. I think that's the grey area that saves him. Paul Di alluded to as much in the commentary .

He was blessed. Normally the sensors pick up the slightest of movement, let alone about a foot of movement from the yellow line to the box line. I know ultimately it cost him anyway, but I just found the movement excessive in terms of what's normally penalised.

AMKC

Inviere wrote: »

I was quite surprised about the Vettel jump start not getting a penalty. That was a slam dunk jump start, and he clearly went beyond his yellow marker in doing so. Disappointed for him overall though, would have loved to see him take the win, but quite a good recovery drive all the same.

He did not benefit from it so there was no point in punishing him for it. In fact he lost the lead because of it and the chance to win the race too.

Ferrari really should have had a 1-2 here but it was not there fault this time it was both drivers at fault.
Well done to Bottas he drove a great race and deserved the win. Vettel did do well to recover from his mistake at the beginning and get 2nd.

I would give my driver of the day to Riccardo. Renault done good here.

Mclaren done quiet good too.

Inviere

AMKC wrote: »

He did not benefit from it so there was no point in punishing him for it. In fact he lost the lead because of it and the chance to win the race too.

That reasoning didn't stop Kimi's recent penalty for a jump start, he got absolutely smoked by everyone on the grid because of it, and was then given a further penalty...despite his error costing him big time. No consistency at all. Kimi clearly cleared his box line in this case, but the error cost him anyway - https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2019/9/Russian_GP__Raikkonen_jumps_the_start_in_Sochi.html

AMKC

Inviere wrote: »

That reasoning didn't stop Kimi's recent penalty for a jump start, he got absolutely smoked by everyone on the grid because of it, and was then given a further penalty...despite his error costing him big time. No consistency at all. Kimi clearly cleared his box line in this case, but the error cost him anyway - https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2019/9/Russian_GP__Raikkonen_jumps_the_start_in_Sochi.html

Good point. In that case I think Kimi did not deserve either of them penalty's and that the stewards were wrong.

Inquitus

I thought Albon really delivered this weekend, he qualified with the same time as Max, despite never having raced the circuit before, and finished as best of the rest after Merc and Ferrari which was all the Red Bull was capable of. Much better performance than anything Gasly managed in the same vehicle.

nf2k

Inviere wrote: »

That reasoning didn't stop Kimi's recent penalty for a jump start, he got absolutely smoked by everyone on the grid because of it, and was then given a further penalty...despite his error costing him big time. No consistency at all. Kimi clearly cleared his box line in this case, but the error cost him anyway - https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2019/9/Russian_GP__Raikkonen_jumps_the_start_in_Sochi.html

Consistency definitely a problem. I do think no penalty was the right decision. He didn't benefit and corrected himself and lost out. It wasn't a jump start in the sense that he didn't get a headstart.

I agree though, not consistent. There needs to be less leeway in all these rules but perhaps that is not possible.

recyclebin

They should review the stewards decisions just like they are reviewing the rugby referees in the world cup. Tell them they got it wrong and the next time this happens it should be penalty X, Y or Z.

Way too many inconsistencies in giving penalties for the exact same offences.

There was no reason not to penalise Le Clerc during the race. This thing of leaving it until after the race is a farce.

Albon was also lucky not to get a penalty too on Norris.

BDI

I’m watching a recording



I was just about to post up how Perez had such an amazing race. Started 17. Real smart pit when in 11th place and nothing to play for. Managed to catch up to 7th. It wasn’t getting mentioned by commentators but I was so proud. There was no rain and only one retirement so him and the team really deserved it. Then he crashed on the last lap and nobody will notice the great race he had on the other 50 odd laps.

Just seen he got 9th? Weird but it’s better than a kick up the hole as they say.

Top Dog

Interesting, and to me surprising, to see Magnussen ended up with the 3rd fastest lap time towards the end of the race.

Also somewhat embarrassing to see that his team-mate's fastest lap was over 3 seconds slower! :eek:

Inviere

nf2k wrote: »

Consistency definitely a problem. I do think no penalty was the right decision. He didn't benefit and corrected himself and lost out. It wasn't a jump start in the sense that he didn't get a headstart.

I agree though, not consistent. There needs to be less leeway in all these rules but perhaps that is not possible.

Agreed, I think if a driver makes a mistake that costs him (or her!), then the penalty is already there...they've penalised themselves, there's no need to tick a box by adding another penalty. I think in this case it was the right call by the stewarts, but in Kimi's case, it was all kinds of wrong. As above, Le Clerc being penalised after the race, seriously, what's up with that? He was let drive around with bits falling off his car too...crazy stuff.

Agent Smith

Inquitus wrote: »

I thought Albon really delivered this weekend, he qualified with the same time as Max, despite never having raced the circuit before, and finished as best of the rest after Merc and Ferrari which was all the Red Bull was capable of. Much better performance than anything Gasly managed in the same vehicle.

Really goes to show, it's not *just* about having the fastest car, Albon Really has solidified his place with Redbull (hopefully!) Gasly was overwhelmed with the pressure me feels