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Six TD's and senators forced to refund illegitimate expense claims

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    #362
    Scoundrel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Scoundrel


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Personally doubt that, but might well be proven wrong in it, even as a senator she'll be in the public eye.

    Maybe a nice anono role as a high paying 'special adviser' or senior civil servants job, she's been a millstone around the party's neck now for over five months, shunting her into a role of senator surely wouldn't be doing themselves any favours?

    No one cares about the Seanad most people couldn't even name a senator sure isn't that where they dumped the fornication woman?


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    #363
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    This is so sad. Neither Bailey nor Fine Gael are thinking what's best for the constituents. It's all about self entitlement and connections. I know it's fantasy, but a genuine decent public representative in Bailey's position might say, "It shouldn't be about me. I'm a distraction to the job." and step aside. Yeah I know that's not reality, but it would be nice.


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    #364
    Plumbthedepths
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    See Leo bottled it and won't call an election before Christmas. Bailey safe for another while.
    Report is in the Indo.


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    #365
    Pintman Paddy Losty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Pintman Paddy Losty


    This is good news for the party. Good to move on from this non-issue/distraction.


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    #366
    Plumbthedepths
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    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    This is good news for the party. Good to move on from this non-issue/distraction.

    Ah yes moving on, I see Hildegarde Naughten FG had to recuse herself on legal advice from the ethics committee looking into the voting controversy as she admitted to doing the same thing.


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    #367
    Pintman Paddy Losty
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Ah yes moving on, I see Hildegarde Naughten FG had to recuse herself on legal advice from the ethics committee looking into the voting controversy as she admitted to doing the same thing.

    You're in the wrong thread PTD. This is (apparently) about TD expenses. But as usual it's become a dumping ground for whatever half-thought out rant people want to spew.


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    #368
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    You're in the wrong thread PTD. This is (apparently) about TD expenses. But as usual it's become a dumping ground for whatever half-thought out rant people want to spew.

    My bad couldn't find the other one, just thought I'd share another example of why the party of law and order have no right to try and occupy the high moral ground. However neither half thought out or a rant all factual Paddy unlike some of your own nonsensical ramblings. ;-)


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    #369
    Snow Garden
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Ah yes moving on, I see Hildegarde Naughten FG had to recuse herself on legal advice from the ethics committee looking into the voting controversy as she admitted to doing the same thing.

    That's mad. The voting controversy has really backfired for FG.

    Didn't Naughton get some chair position from Bailey?


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    #370
    Plumbthedepths
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    Snow Garden wrote: »
    That's mad. The voting controversy has really backfired for FG.

    Didn't Naughton get some chair position from Bailey?

    Chair of the ethics committee. She still is chair, just not allowed to take part in the investigation. He without sin and all that.


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    Snow Garden
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Chair of the ethics committee. She still is chair, just not allowed to take part in the investigation. He without sin and all that.

    Priceless!


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    #372
    malinheader
    Registered Users Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Rte news reporting this morning on the claiming of expenses when not there. Or maybe not there.


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    #373
    McMurphy
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    malinheader wrote: »
    Rte news reporting this morning on the claiming of expenses when not there. Or maybe not there.

    We know Enda was in two places simultaneously, so there's that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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    #374
    malinheader
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    Some carry on. The whole list of payments and votes missed are on the rte news page.


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    #375
    Odyssey 2005
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    malinheader wrote: »
    Some carry on. The whole list of payments and votes missed are on the rte news page.

    That chart is pretty damming. Crooks,the whole lot of them..


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    #376
    Plumbthedepths
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    malinheader wrote: »
    Some carry on. The whole list of payments and votes missed are on the rte news page.

    I had a look, it would make your blood boil the behaviour of these . Enriching themselves seems to be their only goal because addressing the problems faced by the general public is clearly of no interest to them.


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    #377
    Snow Garden
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    It is pretty disgusting.

    Our political system is dysfunctional.

    Enda preaching 'new politics' for years and subsequently turns up the Dail just to register travel expenses.


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    #378
    McMurphy
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    Odyssey 2005 wrote: »
    That chart is pretty damming. Crooks,the whole lot of them..

    Leo doesn't want an election because why???????


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    Odyssey 2005
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    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Leo doesn't want an election because why???????

    Believe it or not, in a conversation with with Mrs. O on Monday, this wery topic came up and I said the very same thing to her. The wheels will come off the FG gravy train when theres a election, hes giving the squirrels a chance to gather more nuts ;).
    Speaking of nuts,I'm taking cover now. :):)


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    #380
    Plumbthedepths
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    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Leo doesn't want an election because why???????

    MM doesn't want one till April , although I'd imagine he's hoping for collective amnesia regarding the voting irregularities rather than attendance expenses.


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    #381
    weldoninhio
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    No, there's no suggestion he hasn't been there but he hasn't voted very much at all. Most of them are off elsewhere a lot of the time anyway, typically in their offices. He's logged in enough times to claim expenses he would be entitled to.

    Ah yes, but can we be sure that Enda himself had logged in?? After Votegate I don't think so.


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    #382
    BarryD2
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    The two Healy Raes are surely taking the piss altogether. Near enough €100K in travel expenses each and they don't bother to vote most of the time. They might as well join the other party that doesn't bother to represent it's electorate much.

    Presumably also means any TDs doing this don't have to bother reading up on legislation they're not voting on. Except maybe a cursory glance.


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    #383
    Odyssey 2005
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    BarryD2 wrote: »
    The two Healy Raes are surely taking the piss altogether. Near enough €100K in travel expenses each and they don't bother to vote most of the time. They might as well join the other party that doesn't bother to represent it's electorate much.

    Presumably also means any TDs doing this don't have to bother reading up on legislation they're not voting on. Except maybe a cursory glance.

    The HR's claiming the exact same amount.!
    I not a great believer in coincidence. ;)


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    #384
    Plumbthedepths
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Ah yes, but can we be sure that Enda himself had logged in?? After Votegate I don't think so.

    They use a fob to log in, wonder has it ever crossed any of their minds to have a friend Tao their fob aswell as their own. Like they were willing to cast votes for each other making a mockery of the democratic system not a stretch to think they would help each other claim expenses.


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    #385
    Kenny B
    Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭Kenny B


    Do the Healy R boys log in, do a 180 and hit for the motorway or do they hang around for the day.

    Get their toll tags and see how soon after they get tagged at Portlaoise Toll.


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    #386
    Plumbthedepths
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    Kenny B wrote: »
    Do the Healy R boys log in, do a 180 and hit for the motorway or do they hang around for the day.

    Get their toll tags and see how soon after they get tagged at Portlaoise Toll.

    I like how you assume they... ;-)


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    #387
    is_that_so
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    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    We know Enda was in two places simultaneously, so there's that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    Rules allow them to log in until the Dail closes so not hard to figure out.


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    #388
    Kenny B
    Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭Kenny B


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I like how you assume they... ;-)

    I believe in Santa,


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    #389
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Kenny B wrote: »
    Do the Healy R boys log in, do a 180 and hit for the motorway or do they hang around for the day.

    Get their toll tags and see how soon after they get tagged at Portlaoise Toll.
    Well as the rules work they could be there on a Wednesday, stay over, tag in for 10.30 on the Thursday and be gone from then for the weekend.


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    #390
    is_that_so
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    They use a fob to log in, wonder has it ever crossed any of their minds to have a friend Tao their fob aswell as their own. Like they were willing to cast votes for each other making a mockery of the democratic system not a stretch to think they would help each other claim expenses.
    There are two things at work here, logging into the building and being present in the Chamber. The former is what pays the expenses.


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    #391
    is_that_so
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Ah yes, but can we be sure that Enda himself had logged in?? After Votegate I don't think so.
    Into the building I'd say so as they would go after that. The voting is just slapdash carry on and unacceptable. As I've said huge systems failure.


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