Should nuts in school be banned for the small % who have "nut allergies"

khalessi

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

If the condition is that life threading then the parents are negligent because there are nuts in many foods which most parents aren’t aware of. If as a parent you child had this condition you would be aware of this face but would continue to send your kids into that scenario every day.

This may surprise you but parents can read, and they read ingredients as they are aware that there are nuts in lots of food therefore they do not give these food to children allergic to nuts. Same way I check ingredients for any gluten/wheat products for my severely coeliac niece and avoid those foods.

Sending children into school is safe as everyone bar you would work together to ensure a child has no reaction by not bringing nuts or peanut butter or chocolate spread or similar products in as these are the main offenders. Simple

khalessi

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

Sorry but I fail to see the analogy. Are we equating people who think that majority of people should not have to accommodate a very small % of the population to anti vaxers? Judging by the stories on this thread you would think every second child was allergic to nuts.

It’s very simple, if your kid has such a life threatening condition the jeep your kids at home.

If a school asks me to “avoid” giving my children nuts, I’ll ask them to confirm they got proof from a hospital or consultant (not a GP) and then I may consider changing dietary requirements but judging by the parents on here I don’t think it would be appreciated.

The fact these children have an epi pen indicates it is already diagnosed by a hospital consultant as those can only be got on prescription.

Is that confirmation enough or would you like to see the child's medical records and interview their consultant to check his credentials

v638sg7k1a92bx

khalessi wrote: »

This may surprise you but parents can read, and they read ingredients as they are aware that there are nuts in lots of food therefore they do not give these food to children allergic to nuts. Same way I check ingredients for any gluten/wheat products for my severely coeliac niece and avoid those foods.

Sending children into school is safe as everyone bar you would work together to ensure a child has no reaction by not bringing nuts or peanut butter or chocolate spread or similar products in as these are the main offenders. Simple

Not that simple I’m afraid. It takes quite the degree of wilful ignorance to expect every other parent in the school to read food labels to make sure they don’t send their kid to school on the off chance that it may come into contact with your child. So you expect hundreds of parents to check food labels to make sure the food they are giving their children is not harmful to your kids? Wow, that is one of the most self entitled expectations I have come across.

Leaving that aside and ignoring the allergies for a minute. Most adults don’t check the labels of the food they put in their own mouth, how can you seriously expect they are going to do this for someone in their child’s class? That’s why all this talk of nut free schools is nonsense because it’s impossible to enforce. Even the parents who avoid giving their kids nuts and go out of their way to facilitate your child are inadvertently sending their kids to school with nuts meaning that the majority of these so called nuts allergies are bs.

khalessi

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

Not that simple I’m afraid. It takes quite the degree of wilful ignorance to expect every other parent in the school to read food labels to make sure they don’t send their kid to school on the off chance that it may come into contact with your child. So you expect hundreds of parents to check food labels to make sure the food they are giving their children is not harmful to your kids? Wow, that is one of the most self entitled expectations I have come across.

Leaving that aside and ignoring the allergies for a minute. Most adults don’t check the labels of the food they put in their own mouth, how can you seriously expect they are going to do this for someone in their child’s class? That’s why all this talk of nut free schools is nonsense because it’s impossible to enforce. Even the parents who avoid giving their kids nuts and go out of their way to facilitate your child are inadvertently sending their kids to school with nuts meaning that the majority of these so called nuts allergies are bs.

This is how easy it is to enforce now pay attention please tell me if you need in in bigger print.


You really are daft and **** stirring but I will go with it for the moment and explain this simply, now pay attention.

No one expects every parent in the school to read labels of all food.

They are expected not to put nut spreads such as peanut butter or choc spread on sandwiches or send nuts into school as they are the main offender.

That is all they have to do.


The parents of the child with allergy send in an epi pen.

Sorted

That really is all that is required not the crap you are going on with

iamwhoiam

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

As I said, there are nuts in many foods but you can go ahead and keep calling me ignorant.

You are on a windup because no adult could actually seriously be this ignorant and stupid . Its glaringly obvious

khalessi

iamwhoiam wrote: »

You are on a windup because no adult could actually seriously be this ignorant and stupid . Its glaringly obvious

Completely obvious but sure if repeating this helps educate a few people and help publicize how easy it is to do, sure what harm. He is acutallyy helping out lol

CJhaughey

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

There are nuts in many foods not just peanuts. You probably ate some today and didn’t realise which is why the idea of a ban on nuts is ridiculous because it’s impossible to implement which calls into question the allergy in the first place.

Also, if kids are allergic to “peanuts” then in theory they are allergic to pulses like lentils and chick peas but that fact probably goes over most people’s heads.

There are two types of “nut allergies”

1. Sever life threatening allergy and therefore you keep your kids at home

2. An intolerance to nuts and therefore you suck it up and either send your kids to school or keep them at home but don’t expect the school, parents and children to change their dietary requirements because little Saoirse got a rash on his lips and you decided to self diagnose.

I am afraid that you are showing your ignorance in this post.
Just because a person has a peanut allergy does not mean that they cannot eat other legumes such as Chickpeas and Lentils.
My son can eat both of those but not peanuts.
You need to educate yourself a lot more before you try and spout such rubbish to people that are living with these issues.

Regardless of what you imagine and believe the issue of nut allergy is real and life threatening to many people who have it, as you can see from the responses to this thread some people develop this condition in later life despite eating nuts all their life.

I hope you never have to deal with this but if you do you will quickly understand why its not a simple case of just keeping your kid at home.
School is much more than just a case of education, kids need to be socialised and likewise other kids learn to accommodate other people who have different needs and abilities.

A ban on nuts for the few hours that kids spend together is not going to make any difference to the diet for the kids that are going without, but it makes a huge difference to the lives of kids that have the condition.

iamwhoiam

khalessi wrote: »

Completely obvious but sure if repeating this helps educate a few people and help publicize how easy it is to do, sure what harm. He is acutallyy helping out lol

Very true actually . The ignorance can sometimes be educational

martingriff

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

So everybody in the school has to accommodate one child. Ever hear of home schooling?

Its just nuts my god you think its giving your right leg.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

Sorry but I fail to see the analogy. Are we equating people who think that majority of people should not have to accommodate a very small % of the population to anti vaxers? Judging by the stories on this thread you would think every second child was allergic to nuts.

It’s very simple, if your kid has such a life threatening condition the jeep your kids at home.

If a school asks me to “avoid” giving my children nuts, I’ll ask them to confirm they got proof from a hospital or consultant (not a GP) and then I may consider changing dietary requirements but judging by the parents on here I don’t think it would be appreciated.

All you’ll get from the school/parents are the words “Yes, it’s a diagnosed health problem”. And that’s all you’d be entitled to. You sound very wet behind the ears.

Sparkey84

risk is calculated as "chance × severity"
take it for example the %population with allergies is low. but when you view it in the context of the the severity being DEATH the low population does not matter.

Sparkey84

the risk remains too high and no worth taking that chance. keep the nuts out.

Stark

Not really sure the exact context here.

Are we talking a blanket ban on nuts in schools, or ban in cases where there's a known case of nut allergy within a class?

If it's the former, then it's probably a bit OTT. If it's the latter, then you'd want to be some kind of psychopath to want to bring nuts into the classroom knowing you could easily kill one of the children in the class.

khalessi

Stark wrote: »

Not really sure the exact context here.

Are we talking a blanket ban on nuts in schools, or ban in cases where there's a known case of nut allergy within a class?

If it's the former, then it's probably a bit OTT. If it's the latter, then you'd want to be some kind of psychopath to want to bring nuts into the classroom knowing you could easily kill one of the children in the class.

Generally it is a blanket ban on not putting nut spreads such as peanut butter or choc spread on sandwiches or sending nuts into school as they are the main offender.

That is all they have to do.

Easy to implement as part of healthy eating policy.

The reason it is school wide is that a child with a nut allergy could come in contact with another child from another class in the yard or on the corridor who sat beside a child eating a peanut butter sandwich and then have a reaction and need hospitalization following injection of epi pen

So prevention is better then cure

scamalert

how about parents teach kid that they will die from nut or anything that has em in the first place, then go on to maybe inform school and train couple teachers how to stick a kid in case it happens.


its rare condition and imagine one realizes early how deadly it could be so invest fckn time in training kid to notice it and get help, but dont ask society to carry him entire life, as common sense escapes some people, thus we need labels on everything because oh well look, another compo claim.

khalessi

scamalert wrote: »

how about parents teach kid that they will die from nut or anything that has em in the first place, then go on to maybe inform school and train couple teachers how to stick a kid in case it happens.


its rare condition and imagine one realizes early how deadly it could be so invest fckn time in training kid to notice it and get help, but dont ask society to carry him entire life, as common sense escapes some people, thus we need labels on everything because oh well look, another compo claim.

Naturally a parent will teach a child with an allergy that nuts are dangerous and they learn quickly as do other children who are their friends.

This is a brief outline of what is done in a school. The parents meet with the principal, explain the situation and the school team come together to ensure that the childs needs are accomodated.

Information is shared among the staff about children with medical conditions so they know who to watch out for. this is regardless if it is an allergy or medical condition such as CF, nut allergy, egg allergy, another allergy, asthma, diabetes, epilepsy or any other condition that could affect the child in school. the parents can speak to the staff if they wish and medical experts have come into the school to speak to all staff about the relevant condition.

The children are also told of the importance of not bringing in certain foods to prevent a reaction. They are repeatedly told from Junior infants onward not to bring in the prohibited food and will either tell you themselves they have it or another child will. They are also encouraged not to swap lunches and a teacher is in the room as they eat watching and ensuring none of this happens.

An epi pen is kept in the office and in the class and the teacher brings with them on each school outing.

v638sg7k1a92bx

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

All you’ll get from the school/parents are the words “Yes, it’s a diagnosed health problem”. And that’s all you’d be entitled to. You sound very wet behind the ears.

Likewise, all you will be entitled to is "I'm sorry my child requires nuts as part of their vegan diet".

khalessi

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

Likewise, all you will be entitled to is "I'm sorry my child requires nuts as part of their vegan diet".

And they will be told by the school it is banned. The parent will know this prior to enrolling their child as it is part of the healthy eating policy so they have an option of not sending child to that school or following the school policy along with the other parents; Also vegan parents dont have a problem with the policy that I have come across

v638sg7k1a92bx

khalessi wrote: »

And they will be told by the school it is banned. The paprent will know this prior to enrolling their child as it is part of the healthy eating policy so they have an option of not sending child to that school or following the school policy along with the other parents; Also vegan parents dont have a problem with the policy that I have come across

The school can't ban nuts. They can only ask you to avoid giving your kids nuts.

What about the parents who signed their kids up to schools knowing there was no policy on nuts but chose to send them their anyway and wanted the rules changed after the fact. You can't have it both ways.

iamwhoiam

scamalert wrote: »

how about parents teach kid that they will die from nut or anything that has em in the first place, then go on to maybe inform school and train couple teachers how to stick a kid in case it happens.


its rare condition and imagine one realizes early how deadly it could be so invest fckn time in training kid to notice it and get help, but dont ask society to carry him entire life, as common sense escapes some people, thus we need labels on everything because oh well look, another compo claim.

Do you honestly think that a parent is not well aware that they have to teach a child how to keep safe ? Of course they teach the child to avoid the allergen . Of course they will learn to look after themselves if they can

And as for administering an epi pen an anaphylaxis come upon you sometimes so fast that even an adult is often not capable of giving it alone . Within a very short space you are gasping for air , your tongue swells blocking the airway , your throat restricts and you legs buckle . You feel a dreadful sense of terror and imminent death
. So imagine this in a 5 year old child all because some adult cannot be arsed making sure this child is not put in danger from some kid bringing in nuts to school ?

v638sg7k1a92bx

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Do you honestly think that a parent is not well aware that they have to teach a child how to keep safe ? Of course they teach the child to avoid the allergen . Of course they will learn to look after themselves if they can

And as for administering an epi pen an anaphylaxis come upon you sometimes so fast that even an adult is often not capable of giving it alone . Within a very short space you are gasping for air , your tongue swells blocking the airway , your throat restricts and you legs buckle . You feel a dreadful sense of terror and imminent death
. So imagine this in a 5 year old child all because some adult cannot be arsed making sure this child is not put in danger from some kid bringing in nuts to school ?

Or some adult putting their child in danger by sending them to school.

khalessi

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

The school can't ban nuts. They can only ask you to avoid giving your kids nuts.

What about the parents who signed their kids up to schools knowing there was no policy on nuts but chose to send them their anyway and wanted the rules changed after the fact. You can't have it both ways.

They can ban nuts same way they ban sweets. Most school have a nut policy as part of their healthy eating and medical polices. If they enrol their children they sign up to these policies and vegan children generally bring hummus for lunch with is not detrimental to children with peanut allergies

Alexandria Quick Doughnut

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

Really, have you read some of the responses on this thread?

"The whole world has to accommodate my needs and the needs of my children or I'll sue you"

Hi Alexandria Quick Doughnut. May I ask who you're quoting here ^^ . Thanks.

khalessi

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

What about the parents who signed their kids up to schools knowing there was no policy on nuts but chose to send them their anyway and wanted the rules changed after the fact. You can't have it both ways.

I forgot to address this. Yes you can have it both ways as schools constantly review their policies and can implement a nut ban and healthy eating as they see fit to accommodate the health and safety of all their students and parents are free to withdraw their children if they wish.

And so far in my time not one parent withdrew a child as they all were happy to agree with the policy

v638sg7k1a92bx

khalessi wrote: »

They can ban nuts same way they ban sweets. Most school have a nut policy as part of their healthy eating and medical polices. If they enrol their children they sign up to these policies and vegan children generally bring hummus for lunch with is not detrimental to children with peanut allergies

So vegan kids eat hummus every day?

v638sg7k1a92bx

khalessi wrote: »

They can ban nuts same way they ban sweets. Most school have a nut policy as part of their healthy eating and medical polices. If they enrol their children they sign up to these policies and vegan children generally bring hummus for lunch with is not detrimental to children with peanut allergies

They should ban kids with fake nut allergies.

khalessi

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

So vegan kids eat hummus every day?

Is that the best you could come back with. no worse then the kids with ham or veg sandwiches daily but I am sure their parents give them appropriate food which dies not involve nuts.

khalessi

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

They should ban kids with fake nut allergies.

Could you tell me what a fake nut allergy is as no child in my school has a fake nut allergy however we do have about 15 with actual nut allergies.

Do you know many people who use their children to fake life threatening conditions as that is a medical condition called munchausen by proxy and needs treatment, please advise them of this

beejee

It would be as practical as banning pollen.

The sheer number of exposure possibilities is too great to account, especially when trusted to a majority population of children.

Nice idea, but completely impractical.

khalessi

beejee wrote: »

It would be as practical as banning pollen.

The sheer number of exposure possibilities is too great to account, especially when trusted to a majority population of children.

Nice idea, but completely impractical.

What is?