Two people killed with submachine gun outside synagogue in Halle, Germany

10000maniacs

Another sad story coming this time from Germany.

Enough is Enough!

10000maniacs wrote: »

Another sad story coming this time from Germany.

Religion of peace or white supremacy?

biko

Linky
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-synagogue-shooting-latest-live-today-dead-grenade-shooter-a9148811.html

A killer is on the run after shooting multiple people at a Synagogue in Germany, police say.

Multiple people are dead and injured following the attack in Halle, a city in the east of Germany.

Police warned the attacker had "fled" and that people should stay inside.

KrustyUCC

Awful news

Taken from the same article

"There may have been another attack in nearby Landsberg, according to multiple German news outlets, citing police.

Further gunshots were fired after the shooting in the nearby town, according to Germany's Focus Magazine and other reports."

Sonics2k

Hector Savage wrote: »

Danke Merkel

The hell is wrong with you?

alchemist33

Hector Savage wrote: »

Danke Merkel

Reports say it was a man

SnakePlissken

Enough is Enough! wrote: »

Religion of peace or white supremacy?

A cowardly scumbag is all we can safely say at this time, though when one hears of an attack on a Synagogue, the most rational assumption would be a white supremacist but we'll find out in due course.

Statistically speaking mainland Europe is safer now than ever before, but with each of these attacks it certainly doesn't feel like it... won't stop me from my frequent travels to the continent though, F**K these cowards.

jmayo

SnakePlissken wrote: »

A cowardly scumbag is all we can safely say at this time, though when one hears of an attack on a Synagogue, the most rational assumption would be a white supremacist but we'll find out in due course.

Statistically speaking mainland Europe is safer now than ever before, but with each of these attacks it certainly doesn't feel like it... won't stop me from my frequent travels to the continent though, F**K these cowards.

I could also argue that statistically speaking there is now a far greater chance of being mowed down on the street by a deranged lunatic in a stolen truck, slaughtered in a nightclub or slaughtered at a kiddies concert than before.

James Brown

These people have mental issues. We see it with the ISIS wanna be's, the white supremacists and Incels etc. Basically it's people with issues picking their poison as it were.

jmayo

Matt Barrett wrote: »

These people have mental issues. We see it with the ISIS wanna be's, the white supremacists and Incels etc. Basically it's people with issues picking their poison as it were.

Nothing to do with hateful ideologies ?

Mental issues is too convenient an excuse and actually insulting to people with real mental issues who dn't go out and slaughter others who don't believe in the same things or happen to come from different group.

munchkin_utd

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Statistically speaking mainland Europe is safer now than ever before, but with each of these attacks it certainly doesn't feel like it... won't stop me from my frequent travels to the continent though, F**K these cowards.

in all fairness theres FAR more chance of coming a cropper in London due to a random knife attack than from a terrorist on the continent.

Last year 130 killed in London, this year 110 so far, yet these 2 (potentially) terrorist deaths, seemingly targeted at a Synagogue where tourists wouldnt be anyhow, will probably scare more people than the mass random carnage in London.

PostWoke

10000maniacs wrote: »

Another sad story coming this time from Germany.

Couldn't even manage a link in your OP?

Quin_Dub

BBC Report saying that it was "near" a synagogue , One person was shot in a Kebab shop according to the report.

witness told German n-tv news that a gunman in camouflage opened fire with an assault rifle on a Doner kebab shop.

"The man came up to the Doner shop, he threw something like a grenade, it didn't explode, and he opened fire with an assault rifle. The man behind me must have died... I hid in the toilet," the witness told a TV reporter near the scene.

German media report that shots were also fired near a synagogue in Halle, but the details have not been confirmed.

I was only in Halle a few weeks ago...

James Brown

jmayo wrote: »

Nothing to do with hateful ideologies ?

Mental issues is too convenient an excuse and actually insulting to people with real mental issues who dn't go out and slaughter others who don't believe in the same things or happen to come from different group.

Everything to do with it but you won't be signing up to ISIS or calling yourself an Incel I'd imagine?

Nothing convenient about it. Reasonable people don't murder others over an ideology.

SnakePlissken

PostWoke wrote: »

Couldn't even manage a link in your OP?

And yet most of us had the intelligence to discern the attack to which the OP was referring.

munchkin_utd

on german news its saying that the local jewish community representative confirms that the attacker tried to break into the synagogue

Aparantly today theres Jom Kippur prayers/ celebrations, a very important jewish festival, so the synagogue would be very well attended.

jmayo

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Everything to do with it but you won't be signing up to ISIS or calling yourself an Incel I'd imagine?

Nothing convenient about it. Reasonable people don't murder others over an ideology.

Yes it is a convenient excuse.
Very reasonable people have committed unbelievable atrocities given the chance.
All you have to do is look at history of say the 20th century in Europe to grasp that.
Yes the psychopaths and sociopaths commit the worse offenses, but other seemingly sane reasonable people can join in pretty quick given the right circumstances.

10000maniacs

PostWoke wrote: »

Couldn't even manage a link in your OP?

The title of the thread has a 100% google match if you cared to search.

Harry Palmr

Synagogue and a Kebab shop targeted suggests a white nationalist (or a dunk). If so some will be happy enough with that here

Yer Da sells Avon

jmayo wrote: »

Nothing to do with hateful ideologies ?

Mental issues is too convenient an excuse and actually insulting to people with real mental issues who dn't go out and slaughter others who don't believe in the same things or happen to come from different group.

Hateful personalities, maybe? I'm also uncomfortable about generalised 'mental issues' being trotted out as some kind of explanation for attacks carried out by people who - whether they're Islamic supremacists or white supremacists - always seem to fit a similar profile. But the ideology is secondary.

Thelonious Monk

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Synagogue and a Kebab shop targeted suggests a white nationalist (or a dunk). If so some will be happy enough with that here

No i think the loons on these threads love when attacks are carried out by Muslims so they can drop their told you so and religion of peace and mutti Merkel bombs. Theyll be disappointed if its a white guy.

rosser44

German media posting pics of the shooter, a white guy in tactical gear

https://amp.focus.de/panorama/welt/zwei-tote-nach-schiesserei-augenzeugen-video-zeigt-schuetzen-von-halle_id_11221983.html?__twitter_impression=true

James Brown

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Hateful personalities, maybe? I'm also uncomfortable about generalised 'mental issues' being trotted out as some kind of explanation for attacks carried out by people who - whether they're Islamic supremacists or white supremacists - always seem to fit a similar profile. But the ideology is secondary.

I think a lot of the time you've people prone to this behaviour looking to get wrapped up into something. We've always had it. It could be more acceptable outlets like the army but these people are another level. You can't get laid, mow down innocent people in a van. ****ty upbringing/bullied, killing spree in a school.
It's certainly not as simple as blaming ideologies unless the ideology tells you to kill and you lack your own will and moral compass.
If the Pope start telling people to kill, you'd have a vast majority telling him were to go I'd imagine.

Odhinn

Some video footage here.

https://www.bild.de/

Assetbacked

Frightening looking at those images of the man on the street with a gun. I'm fond of Germany and have always regarded it as a lovely and safe place, to see some scumbag roaming and firing a gun is shocking to be honest. It really hammers home why guns are banned and should only be restricted to law enforcement officers, that individuals can so easily and indiscriminately take lives is so dangerous.

weisses

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Hateful personalities, maybe? I'm also uncomfortable about generalised 'mental issues' being trotted out as some kind of explanation for attacks carried out by people who - whether they're Islamic supremacists or white supremacists - always seem to fit a similar profile. But the ideology is secondary.

If you are capable of doing that you have mental issues .... period

You can leave it to the experts as to what kind of issues ... but sick in the head definitely

Assetbacked

Know some people in Germany so always get a skip in my heart when hearing news like this from there. Halle is no where near them though. Horrible news - as all news of public shootings are!

Assetbacked wrote: »

It really hammers home why guns are banned

But they aren't? While German gun laws are relatively strict - gun ownership is widespread. Most small towns in some areas of Germany have Gun Clubs - which often run things like restaurants in those small towns as part of the community to raise funds for the club. It is quite integrated into the society there it seems. The last count I remember seeing was that there was somewhere between 5 and 6 million fire arms legally owned by the public there. Something like 1 million of those were inherited or collectors items and 1.5million of them connected with shooting clubs.

Assetbacked wrote: »

should only be restricted to law enforcement officers

Hardly. There are plenty of other people who can and should have them too. There are good arguments for allowing hunters - certain farmers - private security and so forth for example. There are also hobby owners - clubs - ranges and the like.

Here in Ireland I have a friend who has access for reasons nothing to do with law. Can not give specifics alas as I do not like to identify people I know personally. But I have had the chance to learn to use some weapons from him and my 9 year old daughter has gotten great training on them too. She can load aim shoot and hit a target using a certain kind of rifle in under 10 seconds. It is impressive to watch. My son is 5 so not quite ready yet - but I would like to teach him the same skills and respect for weaponry my daughter has gained.

I am on the side of most arguments for restrictions and regulation of weaponry. I have never been much on the side of "no one but the cops" arguments myself though. That has always felt knee jerk to me. Clearly though you can compare two societies with "widespread" gun ownership - say Germany and the US - and see massive differences in the effects of that. Showing that mere ownership tends not to be the main issue there. It is above my pay grade to know what is I guess.

tdf7187

If it's a white supremacist it shows that European Jewry faces threats from both Islamism and the traditional enemy of Nazism. Dreadful that Jewish communities in Germany are not immune having already faced attacks in France and Denmark.

SexBobomb

Hopefully they'll catch/stop the second suspect before he/she can do anymore harm.
Europe is probably is the safest its been in a while but it still seems these events are almost becoming less of a shock at this stage, I think people are getting jaded by them which is very sad.
I've never wanted a gun but if I was on that street today I'd have wanted one for sure.

Assetbacked

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Know some people in Germany so always get a skip in my heart when hearing news like this from there. Halle is no where near them though. Horrible news - as all news of public shootings are!



But they aren't? While German gun laws are relatively strict - gun ownership is widespread. Most small towns in some areas of Germany have Gun Clubs - which often run things like restaurants in those small towns as part of the community to raise funds for the club. It is quite integrated into the society there it seems. The last count I remember seeing was that there was somewhere between 5 and 6 million fire arms legally owned by the public there. Something like 1 million of those were inherited or collectors items and 1.5million of them connected with shooting clubs.



Hardly. There are plenty of other people who can and should have them too. There are good arguments for allowing hunters - certain farmers - private security and so forth for example. There are also hobby owners - clubs - ranges and the like.

Here in Ireland I have a friend who has access for reasons nothing to do with law. Can not give specifics alas as I do not like to identify people I know personally. But I have had the chance to learn to use some weapons from him and my 9 year old daughter has gotten great training on them too. She can load aim shoot and hit a target using a certain kind of rifle in under 10 seconds. It is impressive to watch. My son is 5 so not quite ready yet - but I would like to teach him the same skills and respect for weaponry my daughter has gained.

I am on the side of most arguments for restrictions and regulation of weaponry. I have never been much on the side of "no one but the cops" arguments myself though. That has always felt knee jerk to me. Clearly though you can compare two societies with "widespread" gun ownership - say Germany and the US - and see massive differences in the effects of that. Showing that mere ownership tends not to be the main issue there. It is above my pay grade to know what is I guess.

This is disturbing to think hobbyists with no ongoing checks or demonstrable responsibility or intelligence are handling guns and learning how to fire them. Self-assessed responsibility is too risky and by the mere fact of giving a gun to a nine year old, there is clear evidence of irresponsibility on the part of those who possess the guns in your situation, warranting reporting to the appropriate authorities.

Danzy

weisses wrote: »

If you are capable of doing that you have mental issues .... period

You can leave it to the experts as to what kind of issues ... but sick in the head definitely

That's a cop out though.

Danzy

tdf7187 wrote: »

If it's a white supremacist it shows that European Jewry faces threats from both Islamism and the traditional enemy of Nazism. Dreadful that Jewish communities in Germany are not immune having already faced attacks in France and Denmark.

Fellow a few days ago stormed into a synagogue in Berlin with s knife, screaming Allah hu Akbar.

How many even heard about the Syrian trying to run people over with a lorry last week.

Doesn't even warrant a single inch of a paper now.

tdf7187

Danzy wrote: »

Fellow a few days ago stormed into a synagogue in Berlin with s knife, screaming Allah hu Akbar.

Doesn't even warrant a single inch of a paper now.

Shocking. I didn't even know that.

blueshade

Why is it that when a white male goes on a killing spree he's labelled a white supremacist but when a Muslim goes on a killing spree he's mentally ill? Both do it because they believe their race/religion is superior. It's appalling that people with mental illness have been thrown under the bus in order to pretend that Europe doesn't have a problem with Islamic terrorists. People with genuine mental illness are stigmatised enough as it is. Not only that but it is an insult to the public to blatantly lie to our faces and pretend that Islamic terrorists aren't committing atrocities in Europe that it's only some mentally ill ''lone wolfs''.

Thelonious Monk

blueshade wrote: »

Why is it that when a white male goes on a killing spree he's labelled a white supremacist but when a Muslim goes on a killing spree he's mentally ill? Both do it because they believe their race/religion is superior. It's appalling that people with mental illness have been thrown under the bus in order to pretend that Europe doesn't have a problem with Islamic terrorists. People with genuine mental illness are stigmatised enough as it is. Not only that but it is an insult to the public to blatantly lie to our faces and pretend that Islamic terrorists aren't committing atrocities in Europe that it's only some mentally ill ''lone wolfs''.

No one cares if it's a white person doing the killing. This thread is dead. Imagine it was a Muslim, it'd be up to 100 pages by now and going for ages.

Timberrrrrrrr

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

No one cares if it's a white person doing the killing. This thread is dead. Imagine it was a Muslim, it'd be up to 100 pages by now and going for ages.

I'd say there were a few had the hankies and hand cream at the ready when the news 1st broke.

Assetbacked

Assetbacked wrote: »

This is disturbing to think hobbyists with no ongoing checks or demonstrable responsibility or intelligence are handling guns and learning how to fire them.

Comments on intelligence aside - this is indeed one good thing about licensing. Which Germany has. Not sure the US does? Perhaps this is one of the differences I mentioned above?

Assetbacked wrote: »

Self-assessed responsibility is too risky

Indeed - which is why we were under the guide of a professional. Not a police officer - but a professional none the less. I would respect their expertise on the matter before the self assessed expertise of a stranger on the internet. I would not be the first person either.

But that tangent aside - I think the point here is that whatever the solution to tragedies like this one are - I have never had the knee jerk "no guns for anyone but cops" reaction to them in the US or the EU. There are millions of them in Germany and generally things are ok there. Why is that compared to - say - the US?

James Brown

blueshade wrote: »

Why is it that when a white male goes on a killing spree he's labelled a white supremacist but when a Muslim goes on a killing spree he's mentally ill? Both do it because they believe their race/religion is superior. It's appalling that people with mental illness have been thrown under the bus in order to pretend that Europe doesn't have a problem with Islamic terrorists. People with genuine mental illness are stigmatised enough as it is. Not only that but it is an insult to the public to blatantly lie to our faces and pretend that Islamic terrorists aren't committing atrocities in Europe that it's only some mentally ill ''lone wolfs''.

You'll find its actually the complete opposite.
If a white male, (usually Christian) carries out a mass killing it's because he was mentally ill, a bad egg, played video games or watched porn too much. Whereas if a Muslim does it it's all about the religion and how evil the religion is.

Woodsie1

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

No one cares if it's a white person doing the killing. This thread is dead. Imagine it was a Muslim, it'd be up to 100 pages by now and going for ages.

Yeh like the thread on the Paris attack.
Oh wait...its near enough the same length as this one.
You couldn't lie straight in bed you leftists.

rosser44

Apparently one of the attackers (I think police believe there were 2) livestreamed the attack on twitch. Scary echos of the Christchurch attack.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Rita_Katz/status/1181964825171255297
( note no video footage in the above link)

At the start of the video he says in English "the root of the problem are the Jews"


Scary to think we might be sliding backwards towards thinking like that in Europe again.

James Brown

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Yeh like the thread on the Paris attack.
Oh wait...its near enough the same length as this one.
You couldn't lie straight in bed you leftists.

Came in to share your condolences did you?

Woodsie1

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Came in to share your condolences did you?

Haven't seen yours...only more whinging about if it was Muslims blah blah

blueshade

Matt Barrett wrote: »

You'll find its actually the complete opposite.
If a white male, (usually Christian) carries out a mass killing it's because he was mentally ill, a bad egg, played video games or watched porn too much. Whereas if a Muslim does it it's all about the religion and how evil the religion is.

Now now, don't be telling porkies.

blueshade

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

No one cares if it's a white person doing the killing. This thread is dead. Imagine it was a Muslim, it'd be up to 100 pages by now and going for ages.

Well, as yet there's no information on the identities of the terrorists and terrorists is what they are, whatever colour, ideology or cause they did this for. There's also the fact that many people have their knickers in a knot blaming Trump for Erdogan invading Syria today. I think there are far more Trump bashers than Muslim haters on Boards. I'm not a Trump fan and I don't hate Muslims.

Stop moaning ffs

A grenade thrown into a Jewish cemetery...what is even the point of doing that?
None of this makes any sense

Harvey Weinstein

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

No one cares if it's a white person doing the killing. This thread is dead. Imagine it was a Muslim, it'd be up to 100 pages by now and going for ages.

Not really, none of these threads are very busy anymore. Perhaps its fatigue as these events are quite common now.

weisses

Danzy wrote: »

That's a cop out though.

If you say so

Harvey Weinstein

He seems to have shot an elderly German lady who chastised him on the street. Looks like he was out to kill basically anyone he could after his initial assault on the Synagogue failed.

Eric Cartman

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

No one cares if it's a white person doing the killing. This thread is dead. Imagine it was a Muslim, it'd be up to 100 pages by now and going for ages.

The left, twitter and the media absolutely do.

The only reason threads are longer is when muslims do it you have the people saying its terrible and people from the left defending them and islam in general over and over.

threads on white shooters only have condemnation.

Harvey Weinstein

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

A grenade thrown into a Jewish cemetery...what is even the point of doing that?
None of this makes any sense

I haven't seen it but apparently on his stream he was ranting about Jews.

weisses

The OP must be disgusted now that this attack turned out to be the work of a white right wing nutter