Another split - Paul Murphy leaves the Socialist Party

JohnnyFlash

News reaches us that Paul Murphy and a number of other senior members have left the Socialist Party to start a new group. Yet another split. This follows ‘extensive debate’ at a meeting last weekend.

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/0926/1078425-politics/

Any ideas on what caused the split? A falling out based on some obscure interpretation of Marxist philosophy? Suspicious because of his bourgeois background? A message from the real leadership over in London?

Odhinn

That shower are so fractious its a miracle they've lasted that long without a split.

House private. No flowers please....

Odhinn

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

News reaches us that Paul Murphy and a number of other senior members have left the Socialist Party to start a new group. Yet another split. This follows ‘extensive debate’ at a meeting last weekend.

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/0926/1078425-politics/

Any ideas on what caused the split? A falling out based on some obscure interpretation of Marxist philosophy? Suspicious because of his bourgeois background? A message from the real leadership over in London?

It follows a difference of opinion on whether or not the Socialist Party should get involved in broader movements with other parties such as Sinn Féin and the Green Party.

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/0926/1078425-politics/

Ruraldweller56

Imagine being Paul Murphys age and believing in socialism.

padd b1975

Lol.

They really are beyond ridicule at this stage.

I suspect the smug little twerp thinks the 1% they're currently running at in the polls doesn't apply to him and wants to distance himself before an election.

One eyed Jack

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Any ideas on what caused the split?

It follows a difference of opinion on whether or not the Socialist Party should get involved in broader movements with other parties such as Sinn Féin and the Green Party.


I’m being green by conserving my energy rather than waste it on that shower of oxygen thieves.

mikep

They'll have to be called:
The Can't Someone Else Do It party...

padd b1975

Odhinn wrote: »

That shower are so fractious its a miracle they've lasted that long without a split.

They were born out of a split!

When he originally got elected he genuinely believed that the working classes were revolting.

Has the revolution now been cancelled or only delayed?

Would this be a bad time to call (yet again) for left unity? :pac:

ELM327

What a moron.
Like the rest of his socialist ilk

Tell me how

I don't have much time for him but it seems his position was that they should try to get involved with policy conversations with the likes of SF and the Greens.

Hard to disagree with him in that respect, you're never going to build any sort of socialist group of any standing if you consistently try to have everything done only the way you and your one or two mates want to do it.

AllGunsBlazing

Splitter!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4

BDI

I heard they wanted a cup of tea but nobody would get off their arse and boil the kettle.

vriesmays

ASNP - angry socialist namby pambys.

sabat

What the fck are you people talking about? I just looked at the Socialist Party's website and there is not and never has been a member named 'Paul Murphy.'

is_that_so

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

News reaches us that Paul Murphy and a number of other senior members have left the Socialist Party to start a new group. Yet another split. This follows ‘extensive debate’ at a meeting last weekend.

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/0926/1078425-politics/

Any ideas on what caused the split? A falling out based on some obscure interpretation of Marxist philosophy? Suspicious because of his bourgeois background? A message from the real leadership over in London?

He wants to work with the rest of the left, they don't.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/paul-murphy-leaves-socialist-party-to-launch-new-group-1.4031488
Not sure how it might play out come election time though.

James Brown

Parties with ethics and beliefs would fracture and implode more than the like of FF/FG. I mean FG went in with FF, obviously no real politics there.
At least Murphy got himself a mention in the papers. I'm sure he's delighted it's not for being raided at dawn or lied about by the Garda

RobbingBandit

WESAYSO Corporation

TheShow

waste of oxegen.

WB Yokes

In honour of Comrade Murphy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs

Portsalon

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Imagine being Paul Murphy's age and believing in socialism.

Biological age or mental age?


I suspect that he's probably had enough of perma-whining, thong waving Coppinger - and who could blame him for that?

TheValeyard

WB Yokes wrote: »

In honour of Comrade Murphy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs

It's a great anthem though. Makes me want to invade Ukraine.

WB Yokes

TheValeyard wrote: »

It's a great anthem though. Makes me want to invade Ukraine.

I agree. The comment section is gold.

randd1

The reason the Socialist Party will never do well is because they're just utterly sh*t at PR.

- First off, the name is just too plain. They need a name that's not only very catchy, but sounds well when they turn it into an acronym.
For example, the Socialist Political Irish Left. That way they have the acronym SPIL, and that leads to a whole load of catchy election phrases, "SPILing the Truth", "FF/FG/L:about/SF to topple after SPIL", "SPIL the Blood of Our Enemies".

- Secondly, the symbol. Obviously, an Irish wolfhound baring teeth. Big, patriotic, powerful, deadly.
The posters print themselves really, one of the wolfhound ripping apart lads wearing suits with FF/FG/Labour/SF Badges badge's on them with the slogan "Chewing the Fat Cats", another of the Wolfhound running and lads wearing suits with FF/FG/Labour/SF Badges badge's on them flailing after the hound with the slogan "Leader of the Pack".
Other posters with pictures of the wolfhound with slogans like "Biting Back for Ireland", "Hounding the Elite for a Fairer Ireland", "Hungry for Change" (FF/FG/Labour/SF badges out of a dog bowl).

Their policies might still be shi*e, but I guarantee you they'd get noticed.

Ha Long Bay

Portsalon wrote: »

Biological age or mental age?


I suspect that he's probably had enough of perma-whining, thong waving Coppinger - and who could blame him for that?

JohnnyFlash

randd1 wrote: »

The reason the Socialist Party will never do well is because they're just utterly sh*t at PR.

- First off, the name is just too plain. They need a name that's not only very catchy, but sounds well when they turn it into an acronym.
For example, the Socialist Political Irish Left. That way they have the acronym SPIL, and that leads to a whole load of catchy election phrases, "SPILing the Truth", "FF/FG/L:about/SF to topple after SPIL", "SPIL the Blood of Our Enemies".

- Secondly, the symbol. Obviously, an Irish wolfhound baring teeth. Big, patriotic, powerful, deadly.
The posters print themselves really, one of the wolfhound ripping apart lads wearing suits with FF/FG/Labour/SF Badges badge's on them with the slogan "Chewing the Fat Cats", another of the Wolfhound running and lads wearing suits with FF/FG/Labour/SF Badges badge's on them flailing after the hound with the slogan "Leader of the Pack".
Other posters with pictures of the wolfhound with slogans like "Biting Back for Ireland", "Hounding the Elite for a Fairer Ireland", "Hungry for Change" (FF/FG/Labour/SF badges out of a dog bowl).

Their policies might still be shi*e, but I guarantee you they'd get noticed.

You do realise the Socialist Party are an internationalist Trot party? They want to create a pan-island socialist grouping with ourselves and the UK, which would be part of a global socialist ‘conglomeration’. They really wouldn’t be into the nationalist symbols.

suicide_circus

see attched

MrMusician18

The two things Irish socialists are good at, splitting and entryism.
How many movements have they taken over and destroyed now?

suicide_circus

i dont think Paul likes that he's not in a leadership role for the climate protests

facehugger99

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Imagine being Paul Murphys age and believing in socialism.

I doubt that he does.

It's just a very handy flag of convenience that allows him to get elected to a very plum role.

He's an odious and despicable little prick, but it's the morons who vote him in that are to blame.

PeadarCo

Ruraldweller56 wrote:

Imagine being Paul Murphys age and believing in socialism.

To be fair he doesn't. Ireland must be the only country where socialists protest about wealth taxes.ie the property tax.

tdf7187

Judaean People's Front

Dyr

Left with with Ruth and Mick Barry as TDs.

The most dour, miserable pair of whingers to ever grace the Dáil

James Brown

facehugger99 wrote: »

I doubt that he does.

It's just a very handy flag of convenience that allows him to get elected to a very plum role.

He's an odious and despicable little prick, but it's the morons who vote him in that are to blame.

Be more of a plum job to get a seat in government? Surely any chancer worth his salt is in FF/FG?
Be much easier to pretend you don't give a f*** than pretending you do.

JohnnyFlash

Bambi wrote: »

Left with with Ruth and Mick Barry as TDs.

The most dour, miserable pair of whingers to ever grace the Dáil

Is Gino ‘10 spot’ Kenny not one of them as well? Or is one of Richie BB’s crew?

James Brown

For all their flaws when was the last recession caused by any of them or tens of millions of tax payer monies squandered on quangos and sweet deals? Nice to keep perspective is all

Dyr

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Is Gino ‘10 spot’ Kenny not one of them as well? Or is one of Richie BB’s crew?

Gino is a PBP head, he's a bit too working class for the Socialist Party.

Topgear on Dave

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

When he originally got elected he genuinely believed that the working classes were revolting.

Has the revolution now been cancelled or only delayed?

Would this be a bad time to call (yet again) for left unity? :pac:

He realised just how revolting they actually are.

christy c

Matt Barrett wrote: »

For all their flaws when was the last recession caused by any of them or tens of millions of tax payer monies squandered on quangos and sweet deals? Nice to keep perspective is all

How's the deflection going Matt?

HorrorScope

mikep wrote: »

They'll have to be called:
The Can't Someone Else Do It party...

The SBW party - Spongers Before Workers

Ruraldweller56

Matt Barrett wrote: »

For all their flaws when was the last recession caused by any of them or tens of millions of tax payer monies squandered on quangos and sweet deals? Nice to keep perspective is all

When you say 'their flaws' who's they exactly? If it's solidarity or PBP you're referring to thankfully they've never been in power.

touts

The one thing socialists hate more than capitalism is other socialists.

That's why after they seize power most of them then end up in a dead in a secret police torture chamber and airbrushed out of photographs.

James Brown

christy c wrote: »

How's the deflection going Matt?

Why, am I what ever the party was called supporter now? Leave your little bobbled team hat at home for once Christy

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

When you say 'their flaws' who's they exactly? If it's solidarity or PBP you're referring to thankfully they've never been in power.

Yeah, they're the worse thing to never happen to Irish politics

Galwayguy35

Much as I dislike the little bollix I'm not surprised that one of the reasons he jumped ship was because he wasn't getting along with Coppinger.

He was a one trick pony anyway, once the dutch gold and 20 benson crowd got out of paying for water usage he had nothing else to talk about.

Ruraldweller56

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Why, am I what ever the party was called supporter now? Leave your little bobbled team hat at home for once Christy





Yeah, they're the worse thing to never happen to Irish politics

BuT tHe BaNk bAiLoUt CoMrAdE!!!!

padd b1975

Bambi wrote: »

Gino is a PBP head, he's a bit too working class for the Socialist Party.

PBP spokesman on horses.

christy c

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Why, am I what ever the party was called supporter now? Leave your little bobbled team hat at home for once Christy

Haha, you're deflecting like hell when someone other than FG or FF is mentioned yet I'm the team supporter.

colm_mcm

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

When he originally got elected he genuinely believed that the working classes were revolting.

A lot of them are pretty rough to be fair.

blanch152

Bambi wrote: »

Left with with Ruth and Mick Barry as TDs.

The most dour, miserable pair of whingers to ever grace the Dáil

I don't know.

Clare and Mick gave them a run for their money before departing to greater nosebags in Europe.

Danzy

Tell me how wrote: »

I don't have much time for him but it seems his position was that they should try to get involved with policy conversations with the likes of SF and the Greens.

Hard to disagree with him in that respect, you're never going to build any sort of socialist group of any standing if you consistently try to have everything done only the way you and your one or two mates want to do it.

Think of the purity though.

Micro groups like this are always their own worst enemy.

If that is his thinking he has the right idea.