Parkway Roundabout to get lights

MarkR

I won't hold my breath, but anything has to be better than the current setup.

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/480854/signal-junction-planned-for-one-of-limericks-most-painful-traffic-black-spots.html

There is a special place in hell for those who sneak up in the left hand lane and don't go into the Parkway SC.

hooch-85

MarkR wrote: »

I won't hold my breath, but anything has to be better than the current setup.

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/480854/signal-junction-planned-for-one-of-limericks-most-painful-traffic-black-spots.html

There is a special place in hell for those who sneak up in the left hand lane and don't go into the Parkway SC.

Northern Trust roundabout is nearly worse now, people in wrong lanes full time.

topper75

MarkR wrote: »

There is a special place in hell for those who sneak up in the left hand lane and don't go into the Parkway SC.

Agreed. Also send down those who try to cut in from the inner (RH) lane on the Mackey roundabout to go towards Finnegans in the morning. Wrong lane bozo! We are not queuing here for fun.

Lock 'em out bumper to bumper. No leniency for queue jumpers (exceptions allowed where queue is full back to m'way on-ramp of course).

lazyman

Are the lights replacing the roundabout or are the lights going on the roundabout?

mgbgt1978

I'd guess they are just sticking Lights on the roundabout...




.....you know, like the Red cow Roundabout (and many others) used to be. Until Dublin City/County Council could see that it only made things even worse.


Meanwhile the Limerick Crowd spent around €5 million putting in (sorry, Replacing) a few Parking spaces beside the Railway station, they spent another large chunk on changing Wickham St from 2 lanes to 1 (and put in a bicycle lane that just leads into a bottleneck ???), they are still farting around with the end of Sexton St ( and causing havoc every morning), another few hundred thousand on these ridiculous widened footpaths at certain junctions (top of Mallow St for example).....


All of that money could have been used to actually redesign and help rebuild the P/Way Junction as a smaller version of the new Red Cow Roundabout for example.


Rant over, at least regarding the Parkway Roundabout .

Cookiemunster

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

I'd guess they are just sticking Lights on the roundabout...




.....you know, like the Red cow Roundabout (and many others) used to be. Until Dublin City/County Council could see that it only made things even worse.


Meanwhile the Limerick Crowd spent around €5 million putting in (sorry, Replacing) a few Parking spaces beside the Railway station, they spent another large chunk on changing Wickham St from 2 lanes to 1 (and put in a bicycle lane that just leads into a bottleneck ???), they are still farting around with the end of Sexton St ( and causing havoc every morning), another few hundred thousand on these ridiculous widened footpaths at certain junctions (top of Mallow St for example).....


All of that money could have been used to actually redesign and help rebuild the P/Way Junction as a smaller version of the new Red Cow Roundabout for example.


Rant over, at least regarding the Parkway Roundabout .

The whole of Parnell St., Wickham.St. and the park are being done as part of the same.job. So no, they didn't spend €5m on a car park and then more on Wickham St. and even more on footpaths.

And it's highly unlikely they are just going to signalise the Parkway RAB, when the plans for the Shannon Bridge RAB were for it to be completely removed and replaced by a signalised junction.

Oh and there are still signalised RABs around Dublin. The Red Cow was redesigned because it was way over capacity. Nothing to do with the lights.

colm_mcm

Given Limerick drivers attitude towards red lights, this will be great craic.

osarusan

The Fine Gael member reported that a home heating oil truck was caught in a yellow box, meaning no traffic could move for five minutes.

This is a constant issue at that roundabout, meaning that trying to go right from the Childers road towards Castletroy takes forever, as people don't give a crap about blocking the lane, they just want to make sure they don't lose their place in the queue.

What kind of punishment could be given to a driver who did this? Is there even one?

And is it possible for such a punishment to be given out even if their driving was just captured by a camera recording the roundabout. I don't know the legalities of any of it.

MarkR

osarusan wrote: »

This is a constant issue at that roundabout, meaning that trying to go right from the Childers road towards Castletroy takes forever, as people don't give a crap about blocking the lane, they just want to make sure they don't lose their place in the queue.

What kind of punishment could be given to a driver who did this? Is there even one?

And is it possible for such a punishment to be given out even if their driving was just captured by a camera recording the roundabout. I don't know the legalities of any of it.

and can such punishment be given out based only on

I think we should all have forward mounted paintball guns. Everyone gets one shot a week, so use it wisely. If you car is shot three times in a week, you get put in the stocks on one of our new pedestrianised streets.

damowill

The Parkway roundabout actually works for those coming from the Castletroy side and those coming from town/Dublin road, and those coming from Rhebouge. Its busy for those coming from Castletroy in the evening but it works as well as can be. The roundabout doesnt work for those coming from Childers road though, and traffic lights will only benefit them. This will have an a big affect on Castletroy to City Traffic. So if you think its bad now, it about to get a lot worse. Its often backed up to lights at TK Maxx, but can see traffic going way back towards Groody if lights come into operation.

Eire-Dearg

damowill wrote: »

The Parkway roundabout actually works for those coming from the Castletroy side and those coming from town/Dublin road, and those coming from Rhebouge. Its busy for those coming from Castletroy in the evening but it works as well as can be. The roundabout doesnt work for those coming from Childers road though, and traffic lights will only benefit them. This will have an a big affect on Castletroy to City Traffic. So if you think its bad now, it about to get a lot worse. Its often backed up to lights at TK Maxx, but can see traffic going way back towards Groody if lights come into operation.

I've stopped travelling in that direction. Been burnt far too many times. I will take the Bloodmill Road if going towards Castletroy direction, or around by Ballysimon, anything to avoid the roundabout from the Childers Road direction.

bazz26

I remember as a child that Childers Road/Dublin Road junction used to be a T junction with traffic lights back in the 1980s before the Parkway shopping centre was built there. It begs belief the idea of giving planning permission to build a shopping centre right at the corner of where the two busiest roads in the city meet but I'm sure there was probably a brown envelop or two involved somewhere along the way. When the shopping centre was built they put the entrance/exit onto the Dublin road slightly back from the existing roundabout which caused all sorts of chaos at the time. They then had the great idea of redesigning the entire junction and replacing the traffic lights with a roundabout and we all know how that turned out. Now they are sticking traffic lights on the roundabout to further compound the already stupid design. That junction was too busy for a roundabout and I fear putting traffic lights on it will now only result in queues of traffic all all sides approaching it. It needs to be properly redesigned but it will cost serious money and we know they don't have or won't get the money so these after thought solutions will go on.

Burlap_Sack

MarkR wrote: »

There is a special place in hell for those who sneak up in the left hand lane and don't go into the Parkway SC.

Absolutely infuriating. Happens all the time and I've been passing there years and never once saw someone pulled over for it.

dominatinMC

Burlap_Sack wrote: »

Absolutely infuriating. Happens all the time and I've been passing there years and never once saw someone pulled over for it.

Based on anecdotal evidence, BMW/Audi drivers are far-and-away the biggest culprits too. Just to reinforce the stereotype :rolleyes:

eljono

dominatinMC wrote: »

Based on anecdotal evidence, BMW/Audi drivers are far-and-away the biggest culprits too. Just to reinforce the stereotype :rolleyes:

I would add Passat and Ford drivers to the list too, seem to be regular culprits based on my experience of driving to work in the mornings

Cookiemunster

eljono wrote: »

I would add Passat and Ford drivers to the list too, seem to be regular culprits based on my experience of driving to work in the mornings

All Fords drivers? Even those driving Kas and Fiestas? That's harsh

Mc Love

bazz26 wrote: »

I remember as a child that Childers Road/Dublin Road junction used to be a T junction with traffic lights back in the 1980s before the Parkway shopping centre was built there. It begs belief the idea of giving planning permission to build a shopping centre right at the corner of where the two busiest roads in the city meet but I'm sure there was probably a brown envelop or two involved somewhere along the way. When the shopping centre was built they put the entrance/exit onto the Dublin road slightly back from the existing roundabout which caused all sorts of chaos at the time. They then had the great idea of redesigning the entire junction and replacing the traffic lights with a roundabout and we all know how that turned out. Now they are sticking traffic lights on the roundabout to further compound the already stupid design. That junction was too busy for a roundabout and I fear putting traffic lights on it will now only result in queues of traffic all all sides approaching it. It needs to be properly redesigned but it will cost serious money and we know they don't have or won't get the money so these after thought solutions will go on.

Did they used to have a slip road from Childers Rd going into the Parkway? It might solve the problems if they reopened one and maybe one exiting onto the dublin road towards town?

MarkR

Mc Love wrote: »

Did they used to have a slip road from Childers Rd going into the Parkway? It might solve the problems if they reopened one and maybe one exiting onto the dublin road towards town?

I don't think so. I remember a halting site being there.

Berty

The entrance you can still see. It's where the green post box is by the fbd offices.

topper75

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

... these ridiculous widened footpaths at certain junctions (top of Mallow St for example).....

I only noticed that one there the other evening. Shocker. Who among us ever walked on that path and thought, "I'm a bit boxed in here, could do with more path".
Unless they expect hoards to be seeking FÁS courses from post-Brexit job losses?:D Shouldn't laugh.:(

colm_mcm

Well if it stops the scumbags in Passats parking there and blocking the place up then it might actually improve things

bazz26

Mc Love wrote: »

Did they used to have a slip road from Childers Rd going into the Parkway? It might solve the problems if they reopened one and maybe one exiting onto the dublin road towards town?

Nope, there was an unofficial halting site where that green area is now. I'm not sure a slip road would improve the situation much anyway as the traffic in and out of the Parkway SC is fairly average bar maybe around Christmas. It's more the traffic going through the roundabout using using the Dublin and Childers roads cause the congestion. The traffic lights on the St Patrick's road also contributes to tail backs to the roundabout too.

mgbgt1978

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The whole of Parnell St., Wickham.St. and the park are being done as part of the same.job. So no, they didn't spend €5m on a car park and then more on Wickham St. and even more on footpaths.

My point was that this whole Parnell St project is just like 'putting lipstick on a pig', whereas if a decent sum of money was spent on actually improving a particularly bad traffic bottleneck it would benefit a lot more people.
But, I'm sure the local council are more than capable of spending other people's money as prudently as possible in exactly the correct locations.

Cookiemunster

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

My point was that this whole Parnell St project is just like 'putting lipstick on a pig', whereas if a decent sum of money was spent on actually improving a particularly bad traffic bottleneck it would benefit a lot more people.
But, I'm sure the local council are more than capable of spending other people's money as prudently as possible in exactly the correct locations.

Well both are happening so I'm not sure what you're complaining about.

Although if you're expecting fly overs like the red cow at an urban junction you'll be waiting quite a long time. That's never going to happen.

Mc Love

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

My point was that this whole Parnell St project is just like 'putting lipstick on a pig', whereas if a decent sum of money was spent on actually improving a particularly bad traffic bottleneck it would benefit a lot more people.
But, I'm sure the local council are more than capable of spending other people's money as prudently as possible in exactly the correct locations.

What bottleneck?

mgbgt1978

The Parkway Junction.......:)

mgbgt1978

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Well both are happening so I'm not sure what you're complaining about.

I'm probably complaining about the fact that only one of these Projects should be happening. Then more money could be spent on doing a decent job on the one that actually helps people get to work, School (and back home), etc.

martyc5674

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

I'm probably complaining about the fact that only one of these Projects should be happening. Then more money could be spent on doing a decent job on the one that actually helps people get to work, School (and back home), etc.

Your talking about segregated cycle lanes I take it?

mgbgt1978

It's like you're reading my mind, Marty .

stuckintipp

MarkR wrote: »

There is a special place in hell for those who sneak up in the left hand lane and don't go into the Parkway SC.

JJ kavanaghs Buses always at it, Taxis the whole time. Bus Eireann have stopped since the return from summer, they used to be awful as well.

Once I saw a Garda there pulling people, needs to be done more frequently.

boomerang

MarkR wrote: »

There is a special place in hell for those who sneak up in the left hand lane and don't go into the Parkway SC.

Drives me nuts going to work in the mornings! And the rest of us dutifully queueing up in the appropriate lane...

topper75

boomerang wrote: »

Drives me nuts going to work in the mornings! And the rest of us dutifully queueing up in the appropriate lane...

Imagine the money a cop could make for the state by handing out fines to these selfish motorists. He/she could justify their full week's wages in a single morning.

osarusan

To go back to my earlier question about punishment - is it not possible to put up traffic cameras and issue fines accordingly?

mitresize5

The Traffic Core could do with sitting at the bus stop on the road going down the hill from Castletroy to the Groody Roundabout as well.

Every evening the cars are flying down the bus lane - drives me to distraction

BobMc

mitresize5 wrote: »

The Traffic Core could do with sitting at the bus stop on the road going down the hill from Castletroy to the Groody Roundabout as well.

Every evening the cars are flying down the bus lane - drives me to distraction

they have done, garda traffic on twitter had images but its a while back, therein is the problem, not enough active enforcements so people know the risk of being caught and fined is small so risk it.

Targeted places like the bus lane and or the parkway s.c turning lane and dish out proper fines, none of this pissy e60/e80 a go hundreds of euro

think twice then wouldnt they !

Berty

Well, years ago the Gardai had a Garda on that roundabout(parkway) who basically forced people into the Parkway if you're in the left lane. The queue to get back out was mental and they all had to suffer the delay.

YFlyer

boomerang wrote: »

Drives me nuts going to work in the mornings! And the rest of us dutifully queueing up in the appropriate lane...

The chancers that sneak up the RHS along the Groody Road to the Groody roundabout are braising. Forcing their way to the left to get on the road toward Park Hotel.

callaway92

YFlyer wrote: »

The chancers that sneak up the RHS along the Groody Road to the Groody roundabout are braising. Forcing their way to the left to get on the road toward Park Hotel.

That drives me nuts too

HailSatan

Had to deal with that for a while. You wouldn't mind only they think they have right of way to barge in.

lisasimpson

hooch-85 wrote: »

Northern Trust roundabout is nearly worse now, people in wrong lanes full time.

100% agree and it's not just students heading to UL. People old enough to know better. Going to be some crack with the school gets built across from Northern Trust

HorrorScope

topper75 wrote: »

Agreed. Also send down those who try to cut in from the inner (RH) lane on the Mackey roundabout to go towards Finnegans in the morning. Wrong lane bozo! We are not queuing here for fun.

Lock 'em out bumper to bumper. No leniency for queue jumpers (exceptions allowed where queue is full back to m'way on-ramp of course).

The people who use that right hand lane to push their way in towards Finnegans need to be shot with balls of their own **** - scum of the earth. As you said, the only way to deter them is lock them out and then dare them to cut in in front of you while you are turning - 30 second blast of the horn and a middle finger to make the point if they don't get it.

HailSatan

I hear yer frustration lads. And I've experienced it too. Morning after morning. Blood pressure up. Pissing away fuel going nowhere.


But this is just humans being humans.


The problems are huge huge planning and infrastructure failures. Over and over again.

Berty

The people using the right hand lane are correct when coming from the old Dublin road so they're merging legally and correctly. Those coming off the Motorway(Dublin side) are also correct to use the inner orbital lane(right lane) to take the Finnegans exit. It's only those coming from the Newport Road that should be in the left lane. Correct usage is to use the left lane up the 2nd exit OR 12 on a clock whichever occurs first and all other exists 2nd+ or after 12 on a clock for the inner orbital lane.

Solution should have been 2 inbound lanes not 2 outbound lanes but this would have adversely affected the access to Finnegans I guess.

Another thing is that when the roundabout was being upgraded, those from the Newport side would remember this, is that there was a large LED sign and metal signs telling those coming from Newport to use the right hand lane to get onto the Dublin road inbound which itself created bedlam. Many followed the signage rules(and maybe still do today) and others followed common practice by the rules of the road all meeting at the same point of the next exit.

HorrorScope

Berty wrote: »

The people using the right hand lane are correct when coming from the old Dublin road so they're merging legally and correctly. Those coming off the Motorway(Dublin side) are also correct to use the inner orbital lane(right lane) to take the Finnegans exit. It's only those coming from the Newport Road that should be in the left lane. Correct usage is to use the left lane up the 2nd exit OR 12 on a clock whichever occurs first and all other exists 2nd+ or after 12 on a clock for the inner orbital lane.

Solution should have been 2 inbound lanes not 2 outbound lanes but this would have adversely affected the access to Finnegans I guess.

Another thing is that when the roundabout was being upgraded, those from the Newport side would remember this, is that there was a large LED sign and metal signs telling those coming from Newport to use the right hand lane to get onto the Dublin road inbound which itself created bedlam. Many followed the signage rules(and maybe still do today) and others followed common practice by the rules of the road all meeting at the same point of the next exit.

Yeah but the issue is the traffic coming from the M7 (Limerick side) slip road - there can be a queue right up to and along the the hard shoulder in the correct lane and some entitled muppet will use the right hand lane and cut across to the Finnegans turn from there (when that right lane is specifically for traffic heading out towards Castleconnell/Tipp direction, not Castletroy).

Berty

HorrorScope wrote: »

Yeah but the issue is the traffic coming from the M7 (Limerick side) slip road - there can be a queue right up to and along the the hard shoulder in the correct lane and some entitled muppet will use the right hand lane and cut across to the Finnegans turn from there (when that right lane is specifically for traffic heading out towards Castleconnell/Tipp direction, not Castletroy).

I agree. I used the junction for over 11 years going both directions at around 8am(dropping somebody to work and then home) and I was heading on the right hand lane of the slip for Newport and there were people who would go down the right hand lane and then swing left and block me so they could take the finnegans exit. I'd let them know with the car horn.

Sometimes there are vehicles who refuse to use the hard shoulder(they're technically right in not wanting to be in the hard shoulder). Once saw a van driver in front of me roaring at a truck driver and then actually throw rubbish from his car at the cab. :O

Mc Love

I've a solution - cycle to work and you wont have to deal with any of this traffic...

Insect Overlord

Mc Love wrote: »

I've a solution - cycle to work and you wont have to deal with any of this traffic...

Cycling around the Parkway Roundabout is a hell of an adrenaline rush, but it really does not suit everybody!

HorrorScope

Mc Love wrote: »

I've a solution - cycle to work and you wont have to deal with any of this traffic...

No I don't think I'd ever reach such a low point of self loathing that I'd devolve in to a cyclist - I'll keep the car thanks

HailSatan

HorrorScope wrote: »

No I don't think I'd ever reach such a low point of self loathing that I'd devolve in to a cyclist - I'll keep the car thanks

How do you know someone is a vegan cyclist?

Mc Love

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Cycling around the Parkway Roundabout is a hell of an adrenaline rush, but it really does not suit everybody!

Is it really that bad? Surely you're just moving past slow moving/stopped motor traffic..

HailSatan wrote: »

How do you know someone is a vegan cyclist?

Oh because all vegans are cyclists :rolleyes:

Cookiemunster

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Cycling around the Parkway Roundabout is a hell of an adrenaline rush, but it really does not suit everybody!

Are you not cycling along the segregated Childers Road cycle lane across the pedestrian crossing and onto the cycle land on the section of the Old Dublin Road towards UL (or vice versa)? That doesn't seen too dangerous to me.

Unless of course you choose to cycle on the road and through the roundabout ignoring one of the few places in the city that has half decent cycle lanes that is.