Is the whole environment scare like a modern Armageddon

nthclare

There's a big scare on at the moment and it seems the millennials are the most scared.

I'm in my mid 40's and remember the whole ozone layer scare in the 80'sand it's supposedly closing up again...

I remember my grandmother Maggie thinking it was a load of bollocks, supposedly we'd be all burnt to a crisp by the end of the century.
She was right we survived and sorted out our CFCs came up with a simple solution...

Scaremongering for more taxes and keep ye all from just getting on with it I think.

NIMAN

Time will tell if you're right or not.

statesaver

Kinda looks like it is turning into a doomsday cult.

Eric Cartman

Happens every time the economy gets good, charlatans peddle doom to extract money , we hot recession and everyone shuts up about it again.

NIMAN

There is one thing guaranteed, it's going to cost us more.

Boggles

nthclare wrote: »

I remember my grandmother Maggie thinking it was a load of bollocks,

Well that's better than Science.

:rolleyes:

Dodgy Lou

statesaver wrote: »

Kinda looks like it is turning into a doomsday cult.

It really is.

quokula

The Ozone layer was a real issue and we took action and solved it.

Climate change is a real issue with much larger consequences, and we have the ability to take action and solve it, but so far we've failed to do so.

drunkmonkey

Happening for years https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-09-09/armstrong-climate-change-has-been-routine-scare-tactic-1930s

riffmongous

nthclare wrote: »

There's a big scare on at the moment and it seems the millennials are the most scared.

I'm in my mid 40's and remember the whole ozone layer scare in the 80'sand it's supposedly closing up again...

I remember my grandmother Maggie thinking it was a load of bollocks, supposedly we'd be all burnt to a crisp by the end of the century.
She was right we survived and sorted out our CFCs came up with a simple solution...

Scaremongering for more taxes and keep ye all from just getting on with it I think.

Well of course younger people will be scared the most, they're the ones who face an uncertain future. You've got your best years behind you (no offense intended), probably sorted with a house and job

But your grandmother was wrong? If it was a load of bollocks no action would have been taken.

GooglePlus

There's pretty sound science there but all these marches and people walking to work over taking the car is pissing in the wind, when a huge portion of the earth's carbon emissions are from a small group of corporations.

whisky_galore

Once it was nukes and nuclear winters, ozone layer, Y2K and now it's this. Every generation has their bogeyman.

There are real consequences but I doubt the people and corporations that matter are going to take any notice of schoolkids. Yeah let Greta speak at some UN gig, that's cute, now back to business as usual.

Thelonious Monk

What I find scariest is people blatantly ignoring science because they don't like what they're saying.
Also how is make believe when we're destroying every natural habitat on the planet at a rate never seen before on Earth, including in Ireland? We need nature to exist.
We just completely destroyed a wetlands area in Tallaght by pouring silt all over it. It had all kinds of wildlife living there. So this isn't just happening in India and China folks.

nthclare

Boggles wrote: »

Well that's better than Science.

:rolleyes:

Well she was an atheist and passed away in 1987, her best friend was a flamboyant gay farmer called Dinjeo so I think she was quite ahead of the possee...

But sure undermine her all you like,but Maggie was quite cool for someone who was born in the early 20th century

nthclare

riffmongous wrote: »

Well of course younger people will be scared the most, they're the ones who face an uncertain future. You've got your best years behind you (no offense intended), probably sorted with a house and job

But your grandmother was wrong? If it was a load of bollocks no action would have been taken.

She was saying that the scare mongering was a load of bollocks, she was confident that there's a solution, and they'll get rid of CFCs from aerosols...

jackboy

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Also how is make believe when we're destroying every natural habitat on the planet at a rate never seen before on Earth, including in Ireland? We need nature to exist.
We just completely destroyed a wetlands area in Tallaght by pouring silt all over it. It had all kinds of wildlife living there. So this isn't just happening in India and China folks.

This is true but there are no votes in it. This is why politicians (including green party) do not highlight these issues in a real way. We could protect and enhance habitats all over Ireland which would make a big difference. Instead we have Leo and Green party types waffling about carbon taxes which will have no impact on the environment.

The goverment thinks that covering the coutryside in sitka spruce is a green thing to do. Its the opposite. What went on with the Tallaght wetlands is actually beyond a local issue, it is a national disgrace that this could happen.

Harry Palmr

nthclare wrote: »

There's a big scare on at the moment and it seems the millennials are the most scared.

I'm in my mid 40's and remember the whole ozone layer scare in the 80'sand it's supposedly closing up again...

I remember my grandmother Maggie thinking it was a load of bollocks, supposedly we'd be all burnt to a crisp by the end of the century.
She was right we survived and sorted out our CFCs came up with a simple solution...

Scaremongering for more taxes and keep ye all from just getting on with it I think.

You just answered your own question I think

Fixing a problem is what happens when the world takes a decision to end the production of CFCs without that the holes over the poles would be much bigger than they were at their peak.

Gonad

I seen an interview recently with Christopher Monckton and he said there are 2 Irish scientists that have done a study on climate change and they have found the data being shared is actually not accurate . The thermometers used around the world are all in urban areas and urban areas get a little hotter the more urban and populated they become . Can’t remember the 2 guys names at the moment but he said he had invited them to a university on UK to speak and when the university found out what they were going to speak about they would no longer allow them .

Cina

Just to warn you there lads, there's a thread in After Hours where people discuss stopping Climate Change Deniers from breeding, so you're all basically throwing your names forward for castration here. Good luck.

Harry Palmr

https://skepticalscience.com/Monckton_Myths_arg.htm

bladespin

Cina wrote: »

Just to warn you there lads, there's a thread in After Hours where people discuss stopping Climate Change Deniers from breeding, so you're all basically throwing your names forward for castration here. Good luck.

I don't deny climate change, I'm just not too sure about mankind's role in it, was kinda happening long before we got stuck in (I'm 100% sure we've done our damage though).

Cina

Gonad wrote: »

I seen an interview recently with Christopher Monckton and he said there are 2 Irish scientists that have done a study on climate change and they have found the data being shared is actually not accurate . The thermometers used around the world are all in urban areas and urban areas get a little hotter the more urban and populated they become . Can’t remember the 2 guys names at the moment but he said he had invited them to a university on UK to speak and when the university found out what they were going to speak about they would no longer allow them .

I would say there is a 99.99999% chance that's pure bullsh*t considering Christopher Monckton is a well known Climate Change Denier, Tory, UKIP pr*ck of the highest order.

quokula

Gonad wrote: »

I seen an interview recently with Christopher Monckton and he said there are 2 Irish scientists that have done a study on climate change and they have found the data being shared is actually not accurate . The thermometers used around the world are all in urban areas and urban areas get a little hotter the more urban and populated they become . Can’t remember the 2 guys names at the moment but he said he had invited them to a university on UK to speak and when the university found out what they were going to speak about they would no longer allow them .

This is another one of those simple answers that doesn't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. I'm not surprised a University (a place of learning) would revoke the invitation when these "scientists" were trying to push this fiction.

The urban heat island is a well known effect and calculations take it into consideration. Vast amounts of measurements are taken from outside urban areas when calculating global temperatures.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/the-surface-temperature-record-and-the-urban-heat-island/

stratowide

It was acid rain when I was in school.I was afraid to leave the house when it was raining for fear of being dissolved.

quokula

bladespin wrote: »

I don't deny climate change, I'm just not too sure about mankind's role in it, was kinda happening long before we got stuck in (I'm 100% sure we've done our damage though).

https://xkcd.com/1732/


Yes, this is just a comic panel but it's based on the real measured data that scientists have found, and it's a simple easily digestible way to see that man made climate change is way, way outside of natural variance.

There are plenty of proper studies with numbers if you don't want to believe the comic, but that will involve a lot more time investment.

Jimmy Garlic

WB Yokes

The kids are delighted with the time off school.

bladespin

quokula wrote: »

https://xkcd.com/1732/

Wasn't it just a bit warmer than -4 when the planet formed? Not big bang time as I'm not sure temperature existed in the vacuum but a little after, during the volcanic (not very fun) cycles?

Still not trying to deny our contributions but as with the CFCs etc, once the knowledge is out etc etc.

gibgodsman

The Ozone layer didn't just close back up, we took action and changed our ways in order for it to fix itself. Climate change is real, and hopefully people change their ways before its too late on this one, because it will have much much bigger consequences for our children's children's children.

padd b1975

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

What I find scariest is people blatantly ignoring science because they don't like what they're saying.
Also how is make believe when we're destroying every natural habitat on the planet at a rate never seen before on Earth, including in Ireland? We need nature to exist.
We just completely destroyed a wetlands area in Tallaght by pouring silt all over it. It had all kinds of wildlife living there. So this isn't just happening in India and China folks.

Jobstown!

When??

SEPT 23 1989

do the youth not feel invincible anymore?

something has gone badly wrong if a teenager is worrying about something that may happen in 50 years time

SafeSurfer

gibgodsman wrote: »

The Ozone layer didn't just close back up, we took action and changed our ways in order for it to fix itself. Climate change is real, and hopefully people change their ways before its too late on this one, because it will have much much bigger consequences for our children's children's children.

"It's like AIDS from the sky," says Bedrich Magas, an electrical engineer who has waged an aggressive campaign to attract public interest-and research funds.

https://www.newsweek.com/life-under-ozone-hole-201054

The ozone crisis was similarly hyped by those looking to cash in. The “climate crisis” is much more lucrative as the solution will involve a cultural and economic revolution and there are many companies and individuals positioning themselves to come out on top.

Harry Palmr

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

do the youth not feel invincible anymore?

something has gone badly wrong if a teenager is worrying about something that may happen in 50 years time

Probably cos it's happening in front of them right now.

notobtuse

Apparently climate ‘experts’ are 0-41 with their doomsday predictions. That settled science that keeps being jammed down our throats doesn't quite seem to be so settled.

gibgodsman

SafeSurfer wrote: »

"It's like AIDS from the sky," says Bedrich Magas, an electrical engineer who has waged an aggressive campaign to attract public interest-and research funds.

https://www.newsweek.com/life-under-ozone-hole-201054

The ozone crisis was similarly hyped by those looking to cash in. The “climate crisis” is much more lucrative as the solution will involve a cultural and economic revolution and there are many companies and individuals positioning themselves to come out on top.

Going to be hard for anyone to spend money if its not fixed....

weldoninhio

quokula wrote: »

The Ozone layer was a real issue and we took action and solved it.

Climate change is a real issue with much larger consequences, and we have the ability to take action and solve it, but so far we've failed to do so.

No we don't. There is literally zero evidence we have anything to do with it, never mind change it.

Thelonious Monk

weldoninhio wrote: »

No we don't. There is literally zero evidence we have anything to do with it, never mind change it.

We have nothing to do with species extinction and the continuing mass destruction of natural habitats? Or plastic in the oceans? Or filthy air in our cities?

bladespin

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

We have nothing to do with species extinction and the continuing mass destruction of natural habitats? Or plastic in the oceans? Or filthy air in our cities?

They're separate issues really.

Harry Palmr

bladespin wrote: »

They're separate issues really.

Well not if you take a holistic approach - filthy, rapacious humans are the problem.

bladespin

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Well not if you take a holistic approach - filthy, rapacious humans are the problem.

Maybe but plastic in the ocean isn't causing the earth to overheat afik, that's another issue.

Thelonious Monk

bladespin wrote: »

Maybe but plastic in the ocean isn't causing the earth to overheat afik, that's another issue.

I'm pretty sure ocean pollution is causing the Earth to over heat in some ways.
Anyway the thread title is environment scare, so yes we're wrecking the environment and green movements are the ones trying to stop this as well as climate change.

Jimmy Garlic

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I'm pretty sure ocean pollution is causing the Earth to over heat in some ways.
Anyway the thread title is environment scare, so yes we're wrecking the environment and green movements are the ones trying to stop this as well as climate change.

So does farting. People should hold on to their farts for mother earth.

Thelonious Monk

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

So does farting. People should hold on to their farts for mother earth.

Did you come up with that all by yourself? Hilarious.

James Brown

Won't we be embarrassed in a hundred years time when we saved hundreds of species going extinct, cut down on fossil fuels and we can still find water to drink and air to breathe

notobtuse

‘Climate change activists’ are participating in a #ShutDownDC protest today in DC in order to disrupt the system that they claim perpetuates the climate crisis.

Hmmm… Nothing like making tens of thousands of cars idle in traffic to show you’re serious about fighting climate change. That will SURELY stop the ice caps from melting.

They’d be better off just admitting they just wanted an excuse to dress up in silly costumes and act like morons for attention.

I’m texting my youngest later, who is attending university in DC… ‘If you are participating in the #ShutDownDC nonsense there will be no care packages coming your way for two months.”

Bit of a chill in it today. Global warming me arse!!!!!

Thelonious Monk

notobtuse wrote: »

I’m texting my youngest later, who is attending university in DC… ‘If you are participating in the #ShutDownDC nonsense there will be no care packages coming your way for two months.”

Madlad

bladespin

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

So does farting. People should hold on to their farts for mother earth.

Good point, I've read that has a higher contribution to our co2 than our fleet.

Keyzer

Boggles wrote: »

Well that's better than Science.

:rolleyes:

In all seriousness, most grannies knew their sh1t back then and were right.

Boggles

Keyzer wrote: »

In all seriousness, most grannies knew their sh1t back then and were right.

No they didn't.

And that Granny in particular was talking complete bollix.

SafeSurfer

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

bladespin wrote: »

Maybe but plastic in the ocean isn't causing the earth to overheat afik, that's another issue.

I'm pretty sure ocean pollution is causing the Earth to over heat in some ways.
Anyway the thread title is environment scare, so yes we're wrecking the environment and green movements are the ones trying to stop this as well as climate change.

Why are you pretty sure ocean pollution, specifically the plastic in the ocean referred to by the previous poster, is causing the earth to over heat?