Brownface racist?

antiskeptic

I'm white. I'm invited to a fancy dress. I decide to go as Martin Luther King (who I admire), Mohammed Ali (who my folks admired) or Aladdin (recalling the magic of Arabian Nights during childhood)

I brown my face.

I'm a racist?

One More Toy

antiskeptic wrote: »

I'm white. I'm invited to a fancy dress. I decide to go as Martin Luther King (who I admire), Mohammed Ali (who my folks admired) or Aladdin (recalling the magic of Arabian Nights during childhood)

I brown my face.

I'm a racist?

Just go as elvis

Danzy

antiskeptic wrote: »

I'm white. I'm invited to a fancy dress. I decide to go as Martin Luther King (who I admire), Mohammed Ali (who my folks admired) or Aladdin (recalling the magic of Arabian Nights during childhood)

I brown my face.

I'm a racist?

If there are rich kid activists there, then yes you are.

banie01

One More Toy wrote: »

Just go as elvis

Or better yet...
Black Elvis!

antiskeptic

One More Toy wrote: »

Just go as elvis

Mightn't that be fattist if late stage?

Atlantic Dawn

I'd see nothing racist if a black lad/ladette dressed up as a white, I'd actually find it funny.

banie01

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I'd see nothing racist if a black lad/ladette dressed up as a white, I'd actually find it funny.

Sure isn't it the whole joke behind white chicks.
Imagine Soulman being remade these days!

Wayne Jarvis

antiskeptic wrote: »

I'm white. I'm invited to a fancy dress. I decide to go as Martin Luther King (who I admire), Mohammed Ali (who my folks admired) or Aladdin (recalling the magic of Arabian Nights during childhood)

I brown my face.

I'm a racist?

Just go as the Will Smith version of Aladdin. He's light skinned black so the most you will be is light skinned racist

antiskeptic

banie01 wrote: »

Or better yet...
Black Elvis!

Or a white Martin Luther King.

Wayne Jarvis

banie01 wrote: »

Or better yet...
Black Elvis!

Blelvis

Immortal Starlight

No it doesn't make you racist.

Panthro

If you're a leftie it's sound.
If you're a rightie it's racist.
Go as Michael Jackson

antiskeptic

Danzy wrote: »

If there are rich kid activists there, then yes you are.

Whats a rich kid activist?

Varik

Paint yourself grey, you can be b&w TV Martin Luther King

Montage of Feck

Go as white Michael Jackson.

Atlantic Dawn

Panthro wrote: »

If you're a leftie it's sound.
If you're a rightie it's racist.
Go as Michael Jackson

Or Jimmy Saville.

sabat

antiskeptic wrote: »

I'm white. I'm invited to a fancy dress. I decide to go as Martin Luther King (who I admire), Mohammed Ali (who my folks admired) or Aladdin (recalling the magic of Arabian Nights during childhood)

I brown my face.

I'm a racist?

The first one is just blackface and a suit; the second one is just blackface and boxing gear; the third is anything you want because he's imaginary. If I was going to take the risk of blacking up I'd at least pick someone recognisable like Haile Selassie, George Clinton, Flavor Flav or Desmond Tutu.

20Wheel

if you go as a gollyw.....golly-toy then its racist.

if you go as a normal person who happens to be brown/black then its not racist.

its context, for example i watched an anti-racism documentary where a white german lad blacked up to see first hand what it was like for african immigrants.
if anything this was an anti-racist context yet the guy was blacked up fully.

then of course you have the 'taking the piss' style blackface which is basically just saying that black people are something to laugh at and ridicule.

its the motivation.

Danzy

20Wheel wrote: »

if you go as a gollyw.....golly-toy then its racist.

if you go as a normal person who happens to be brown/black then its not racist.

its context, for example i watched an anti-racism documentary where a white german lad blacked up to see first hand what it was like for african immigrants.
if anything this was an anti-racist context yet the guy was blacked up fully.

then of course you have the 'taking the piss' style blackface which is basically just saying that black people are something to laugh at and ridicule.

its the motivation.

Context should be relevant but it is not.

antiskeptic

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Or Jimmy Saville.

I went around as Adolf Hitler as a kid during Halloween. Don't think it would go down well these days with my young fella.

normanoffside

No because if it’s racist to dress up as some one else it’s only because you think they are socially below you.

If you are not making fun or feeling superior then there is no problem.

punisher5112

BLM

Rodin

Persecution of the white male is de rigeur these days

StupidLikeAFox

I too struggled to get around the idea of how putting on makeup to look like a character would be a racist act. Surely you are just being true to the character? And you would probably be doing it with the best intentions.

However, people with black and brown skin have seen white people dress up like this with the intention of poking fun at them for years. On TV, in the famous minstrel shows etc. To the extent that an entire race is boiled down to a stereotype. So when you encounter people they are not seeing you as an individual, you are now seen as one of those guys with the funny accents and weird clothes.

As an example, if people were constantly dressing up as "stupid drunken leprechauns", to the extent where the stereotype is brushing off on you as an Irish person and creeping into your daily life, after a while you are going to get pretty pissed off when you see someone dressing as a leprechaun, no matter how harmless or well intentioned they were in throwing on a costume

Uncle Charlie

Everything is racist these days. Just wanting to vet refugees is seen as racist by some people.

punisher5112

Iron Man done it...

antiskeptic

normanoffside wrote: »

No because if it’s racist to dress up as some one else it’s only because you think they are socially below you.

If you are not making fun or feeling superior then there is no problem.

Its just I saw Trudeau grovelling in 'save my reelection chances' mode and my initial reaction was 'there's a spineless git'

SlowBlowin

Go as a black Hitler, not sure what this form of racism is called ?

Danzy

Uncle Charlie wrote: »

Everything is racist these days. Just wanting to vet refugees is seen as racist by some people.

I've had to listen to some one go on about how pass port control was racist.

20Wheel

Danzy wrote: »

Context should be relevant but it is not.

then the party/event is probably full of dry shytes.

in which case dont go, or make a minimal effort and only stay briefly.

bit of green face paint, oh look im the hulk, madness, a small orange juice please, right see yous on monday.

Irish Guitarist

Blackface was a form of American vaudeville. There has never been such a thing as 'brownface'. Even as I'm typing this Google Chrome spell checker is recognising blackface as a word but not brownface.

No one gave a shit about Snoop Dogg wearing 'whiteface'.

I doubt anyone really gives a shite about that Trudeau moron either. It's more that he comes out with this kind of tripe and it's funny to see him taken down a peg or two.

normanoffside

antiskeptic wrote: »

Its just I saw Trudeau grovelling in 'save my reelection chances' mode and my initial reaction was 'there's a spineless git'

Yeah he’s a Neo-liberal pussie. He’s pathetic, he just cares about power and the family dynasty. Everything else is optics.

20Wheel

love a bit of whiteface comedy.

its funny cause its true.

Hangdogroad

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Go as a black Hitler, not sure what this form of racism is called ?

Atlantic Dawn

If an Oirish fella wanted to dress up as Robin Hood would it be racist?

windy shepard henderson

Rodin wrote: »

Persecution of the white male is de rigeur these days

yep first stage of the evolution chart we all become mixed race give it 2 or 3 thousand years and we as humans will all start bending our backs again in the evolution charts again until we are reversed as apes :rolleyes:

the world is just gone bonkers in pc land

a few years ago a float / act in our local parade depicted a traveler wedding , i am sure pave point would object , but then again i could show you 20000 videos on youtube that back up the satire

as it stands its okay for a man to get a sex change to a woman , but not ok for a white person to turn up at a fancy dress party as huggy bear from starsky and hutch or denzil from only fools and horses because its racist ???

windy shepard henderson

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

If an Oirish fella wanted to dress up as Robin Hood would it be racist?

what about all them leprechauns on paddys day

windy shepard henderson

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

yep first stage of the evolution chart we all become mixed race give it 2 or 3 thousand years and we as humans will all start bending our backs again in the evolution charts again until we are reversed as apes :rolleyes:

But we are great apes.

And we are no worse nor better evolved than our hominid cousins, nor indeed than any primate. All species and varieties adapt as to their needs, not in accordance with some inherent level of intelligence

The whole basis of your approach is fundamentally wrong. Apes are our cousins, not our ancestors. This is junior cert science, man.

Junkyard Tom

It's either dumb, racist, or some combination of the two.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C45g3YP7JOk

Danzy

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

It's either dumb, racist, or some combination of the two.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C45g3YP7JOk

His lordship has given the pronouncement from the pulpit.

Close the thread mods.

Your Face

Danzy wrote: »

His lordship has given the pronouncement from the pulpit.

Close the thread mods.

Atlantic Dawn

Whoy do very few women dress/confess as men?

windy shepard henderson

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

But we are great apes.

And we are no worse nor better evolved than our hominid cousins, nor indeed than any primate. All species and varieties adapt as to their needs, not in accordance with some inherent level of intelligence

The whole basis of your approach is fundamentally wrong. Apes are our cousins, not our ancestors. This is junior cert science, man.

i am not one for bad langauge but.......Bul****!!! :rolleyes:

franglan

This is a huge question, I don't see what's racist about it. People are black, people are white. That's fantastic! If I want to tan up or lessen the tan for dramatic effect whats the problem???

Junkyard Tom

Danzy wrote: »

His lordship has given the pronouncement from the pulpit.

Close the thread mods.

It's not like you'd ever go to a fancy dress party in blackface anyway. You can still imagine dressing up in Blackface and get outraged on the internet that you can't.

No one can ever take that away.

Mickeroo

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

But we are great apes.

And we are no worse nor better evolved than our hominid cousins, nor indeed than any primate. All species and varieties adapt as to their needs, not in accordance with some inherent level of intelligence

The whole basis of your approach is fundamentally wrong. Apes are our cousins, not our ancestors. This is junior cert science, man.

Ah we're only grand apes at best.

windy shepard henderson

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Whoy do very few women dress/confess as men?

i imagine it comes down to bad habits , for example what woman wants to get up at 3 in the morning and steel a pair of knickers from the next door neighbours closeline ........woops !!:o

StupidLikeAFox

franglan wrote: »

This is a huge question, I don't see what's racist about it. People are black, people are white. That's fantastic! If I want to tan up or lessen the tan for dramatic effect whats the problem???

For some people they will see no issue like yourself. However "blacking up" has historically been used to caricature black people so other people will interpret your blackface as taking the piss out of black people.

windy shepard henderson

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

For some people they will see no issue like yourself. However "blacking up" has historically been used to caricature black people so other people will interpret your blackface as taking the piss out of black people.

nonsense it was a ****ing party like most of us he listened to rnb music he was a nerd future politician trying to be cool where do people get off its no more racist then i am rubbish argument in fact its a laughable argument at this stage

JackieChang

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

But we are great apes.

And we are no worse nor better evolved than our hominid cousins, nor indeed than any primate. All species and varieties adapt as to their needs, not in accordance with some inherent level of intelligence

The whole basis of your approach is fundamentally wrong. Apes are our cousins, not our ancestors. This is junior cert science, man.

You must be fun at parties.

Allinall

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

For some people they will see no issue like yourself. However "blacking up" has historically been used to caricature black people so other people will interpret your blackface as taking the piss out of black people.

I don’t think Lyons Tea were racists.