Would you buy a house near a halting site?

JizzBeans

This thread is inspired by the thread asking people whether or not they'd live next to social housing. There were many articulate arguments made for and against the idea, however most of them were mired with prejudice.
It is an undeniable fact that travellers are disproportionately involved in criminal activity with as much as 20% of prison spaces being occupied by this tiny percentage of the overall population. Locals are intimidated, burgled and robbed whenever travellers move in. The residents of the Carrickmines area were bullied and intimidated by the travellers before the fire and subsequent closure.


https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/carrickmines-residents-and-traveller-community-at-odds-before-fatal-fire-368727.html

A huge number of halting sites, regardless of whether they are caravan-based or settled houses based are torn asunder within months or even days of them moving in. Floorboards are ripped up to retrieve copper and horses and other animals are abused and shackled on site.


https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/animal-rescue-star-quit-over-traveller-threats-289883.html

Less than 20% of travellers are employed, yet they always seem to be driving the best of vehicles and sporting the best of wares. This, in my opinion, implies that there is some sort of criminality involved in the accumulation of their assets.


https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp8iter/p8iter/p8itseah/


A house near a halting site, as much as I hate to admit it, is a sitting duck, not asking but begging to be burgled. If I lived near one every noise at night would make me paranoid. I'd be terrified of leaving elderly relatives unaccompanied in the house. I won't apologise for this opinion.

Would you live near a halting site?

Happy4all

Honest answer....no.

NIMAN

..... and it's a no from me too.

JizzBeans

Fair enough lads, not surprising

return guide

I know a family that moved very close to Dunsink Lane when it was very much a no mans land and they never had an ounce of trouble.

That said, it would not be for me.

Shefwedfan

You thinking of buying a house?

Salary Negotiator

I would not.

colm_mcm

JizzBeans wrote: »

Fair enough lads, not surprising

How did you think it would go?

colm_mcm

colm_mcm wrote: »

How did you think it would go?

Indeed. Redundant thread.

Shefwedfan

The last thread this poster started was about how much money they earn as a teacher by onky working 18 hours.....this included comments about “commoners” etc

BarryD2

JizzBeans wrote: »

A house near a halting site, as much as I hate to admit it, is a sitting duck, not asking but begging to be burgled. If I lived near one every noise at night would make me paranoid. I'd be terrified of leaving elderly relatives unaccompanied in the house. I won't apologise for this opinion.

Would you live near a halting site?

Is that Peter Casey In truth, you'd possibly be safer living close by even if you had to put up with all the carry on and general mess.

The same question was asked of other candidates in the presidential debates. As far as I recall, they all said they'd have no issues with such an arrangement, including our re elected incumbent. So if the first citizen would have no difficulty with this, maybe neither should we?

rn

No.

JizzBeans

Deleted User wrote: »

Indeed. Redundant thread.

Feel free to leave

JizzBeans

BarryD2 wrote: »

Is that Peter Casey In truth, you'd possibly be safer living close by even if you had to put up with all the carry on and general mess.

The same question was asked of other candidates in the presidential debates. As far as I recall, they all said they'd have no issues with such an arrangement, including our re elected incumbent. So if the first citizen would have no difficulty with this, maybe neither should we?

Yes to appease the PC brigade though, I seriously doubt they will ever consider property in these areas

PhoenixParker

The presidents house in Circular Road Galway is pretty close to a halting site. Whatever about the others he was being honest.

The chan chan man

Bought a house in 2014. Creamers moved in nearby and set up a huge site themselves in ‘15... they all moved out last month and funnily enough, the car thefts, stolen bikes and break ins have coincidentally stopped!

I probably wouldn't buy, but nothings permanent, and nothing is certain.

hawkelady

BarryD2 wrote: »

Is that Peter Casey In truth, you'd possibly be safer living close by even if you had to put up with all the carry on and general mess.

The same question was asked of other candidates in the presidential debates. As far as I recall, they all said they'd have no issues with such an arrangement, including our re elected incumbent. So if the first citizen would have no difficulty with this, maybe neither should we?

It’s quiet possible that our president lied ... cause no one in their right mind would live next to a halting site.

PhoenixParker

hawkelady wrote: »

It’s quiet possible that our president lied ... cause no one in their right mind would live next to a halting site.

His house in Galway is less than 400m from one.

donkeykong5

PhoenixParker wrote: »

The presidents house in Circular Road Galway is pretty close to a halting site. Whatever about the others he was being honest.

Which one. ? He has a few apparently!

PhoenixParker

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Which one. ? He has a few apparently!

The main one he lived in before becoming president.

Steve

I'm in Dublin, there are 3 'sites' I drive past weekly. most are derelict and have been stripped of roof tiles, copper pipes, wiring, etc, - anything that could be sold.. one house still has a family in it with some horses residing in the unoccupied gardens of the stripped out shells.

So, yeah, its probably safe to buy next to them as they are never going to be long term tenants.

hawkelady

PhoenixParker wrote: »

The main one he lived in before becoming president.

Ah right. But he’s not living in it. He’s renting it. If I had another house , next to a halting site , I’d have no problem renting it out

PhoenixParker

hawkelady wrote: »

Ah right. But he’s not living in it. He’s renting it. If I had another house , next to a halting site , I’d have no problem renting it out

He lived there for decade(s) before becoming president. Think his son lives there now and he is or certainly was a regular visitor on weekends.

terrydel

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The last thread this poster started was about how much money they earn as a teacher by onky working 18 hours.....this included comments about “commoners” etc

He'll fit in well here then.
I lived in the middle of two traveller families (settled tho one of them had mobile home out the back) for 7 years, only issue was having to get a car moved from outside my house, other than that, nothing. They don't **** on their own doorstep. Never bothered me one iota living there.

Westernyelp

If the choice was between them and someone who calls themselves Jizzbeans. I'm moving to traveller town.

Mad_maxx

JizzBeans wrote: »

This thread is inspired by the thread asking people whether or not they'd live next to social housing. There were many articulate arguments made for and against the idea, however most of them were mired with prejudice.
It is an undeniable fact that travellers are disproportionately involved in criminal activity with as much as 20% of prison spaces being occupied by this tiny percentage of the overall population. Locals are intimidated, burgled and robbed whenever travellers move in. The residents of the Carrickmines area were bullied and intimidated by the travellers before the fire and subsequent closure.


https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/carrickmines-residents-and-traveller-community-at-odds-before-fatal-fire-368727.html

A huge number of halting sites, regardless of whether they are caravan-based or settled houses based are torn asunder within months or even days of them moving in. Floorboards are ripped up to retrieve copper and horses and other animals are abused and shackled on site.


https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/animal-rescue-star-quit-over-traveller-threats-289883.html

Less than 20% of travellers are employed, yet they always seem to be driving the best of vehicles and sporting the best of wares. This, in my opinion, implies that there is some sort of criminality involved in the accumulation of their assets.


https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp8iter/p8iter/p8itseah/


A house near a halting site, as much as I hate to admit it, is a sitting duck, not asking but begging to be burgled. If I lived near one every noise at night would make me paranoid. I'd be terrified of leaving elderly relatives unaccompanied in the house. I won't apologise for this opinion.

Would you live near a halting site?

I'd sooner live next to a site owned by Islamic state

touts

JizzBeans wrote: »

This thread is inspired by the thread asking people whether or not they'd live next to social housing. There were many articulate arguments made for and against the idea, however most of them were mired with prejudice.
It is an undeniable fact that travellers are disproportionately involved in criminal activity with as much as 20% of prison spaces being occupied by this tiny percentage of the overall population. Locals are intimidated, burgled and robbed whenever travellers move in. The residents of the Carrickmines area were bullied and intimidated by the travellers before the fire and subsequent closure.


https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/carrickmines-residents-and-traveller-community-at-odds-before-fatal-fire-368727.html

A huge number of halting sites, regardless of whether they are caravan-based or settled houses based are torn asunder within months or even days of them moving in. Floorboards are ripped up to retrieve copper and horses and other animals are abused and shackled on site.


https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/animal-rescue-star-quit-over-traveller-threats-289883.html

Less than 20% of travellers are employed, yet they always seem to be driving the best of vehicles and sporting the best of wares. This, in my opinion, implies that there is some sort of criminality involved in the accumulation of their assets.


https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp8iter/p8iter/p8itseah/


A house near a halting site, as much as I hate to admit it, is a sitting duck, not asking but begging to be burgled. If I lived near one every noise at night would make me paranoid. I'd be terrified of leaving elderly relatives unaccompanied in the house. I won't apologise for this opinion.

Would you live near a halting site?

To be honest no. I'm sure the vocal minority of people will think that's my fault and my bigotry. I'm also certain the silent majority will understand that it's the fault of the travellers.

BrokenArrows

I did, and I wouldn't do it again. Most of the trouble in the area comes from there and whenever someone points the finger they cry racism

Capra

BarryD2 wrote: »

Is that Peter Casey In truth, you'd possibly be safer living close by even if you had to put up with all the carry on and general mess.

The same question was asked of other candidates in the presidential debates. As far as I recall, they all said they'd have no issues with such an arrangement, including our re elected incumbent. So if the first citizen would have no difficulty with this, maybe neither should we?

Or maybe....he was lying?

We have travellers nearby and although they don't get too involved in criminal stuff (break ins, car theft, etc.) around here, they are noisy, are involved in joyriding, bonfires for rubbish etc. they always seem to be having arguments.

It must be exhausting being them. But I wouldn't live near them by choice, either.


Nobody will say otherwise. Travellers have ruined their own reputation. You never hear of them starting social clubs or doing clean ups in the community or anything like that. Take, take, take and give nothing in return. Which is a shame as a fair few of them are decent people and get tarred with the brush through no fault of their own.

Mr_Muffin

No.

ted1

Define “Near”

Rodin

Absolutely f.u.c.k.ing not

punisher5112

If near one that is a few miles away then ok but if you can see it then na your grand....

anewme

Relative bought a first house almost backing onto a traveller halting site. They were near the end of the road backing onto a school but the other end was right onto the halting site.

One girl went out her back garden to find two travellers chopping up each other with machetes in her back garden and blood everywhere. Girl left that day and refused to return. Said she could not cope there.

My relative moved out later as well (not related to the Travellers) as it was not really a good area, but it got her onto the property ladder and she made a huge profit at the time.

GRACKEA

Grew up with a halting site right behind my house. It was messy and there were basically wild horses marauding but as another poster said, they didn't really crap on their own doorstep crimewise and we went to the same school with the kids so were friendly enough with them.

When they moved on the area always had some site or another and it was never really that bad bar litter. My parents still live there and there are fairly high numbers of settled families and Roma too but the only complaint is the amount of bangers parked on the road.

So while I wouldn't put "next to a halting site" in my essential criteria while buying, but it wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me either.

the herr blair bunch

Any of you who enjoy a hike up the Hellfire Club will no doubt have seen the new and, when I was there last year, still being built developments at the foot of the area, at Stocking Lane. Large estate, ugly design (as all the newer builds tend to be these days, and I work in the industry), no front gardens on most IIRC, again as is par for the course with most new builds.

From memory they started at 400k, and they are right on the doorstep of a small traveller housing scheme.

You won't exactly get a bargain on anything within spitting distance of them in wealthier areas either.

Would I particularly like to live next to a halting site?
No.

Would I pay 400k to live next to one in Rathfarnham when I can pay 180- 200k to live next to one in Finglas?
Absoloutely ****ing not. What sort of lunatic pays that for a house there? An ugly one at that.

Sultan of Bling

PhoenixParker wrote:

He lived there for decade(s) before becoming president. Think his son lives there now and he is or certainly was a regular visitor on weekends.

I wouldnt have a problem living close to a halting site if i knew when i contacted police, instant action would be taken if my property was being vandalised or stolen by travellers.

Of course that will never happen if the ordinary man or woman call to report it.

Now if the police get a call from Michael D Higgins, president of Ireland, I have a feeling the police response time will be quicker.

Very easy to say you'll have no problem living next to a halting site when you have armed guards protecting it for you.

TuringBot47

No.

About 10 years ago I saw a nice house for sale in West Dublin.
Booked an appointment to view it.
Saw on google maps that there was a halting site across the road from it and cancelled the appointment first thing the next day.

It's not just about you tolerating living beside them, it's the resale value of your house too.

Travellers used to work for farmers and make items out of tin for sale, hence the term "tinker", which wasn't a pejorative term originally. Back in the day and were a respected part of rural Ireland. Then the dole came in and they went from being valued to valueless with nothing to. Do except sit round, drink, make babies and get up to no good.

Some sort of education or work for long term welfare would be a much better alternative for travellers, or indeed all long term unemployed. Coupled with actual law enforcement.

We also need to give decent travellers a chance at employment and being full members of society.

SATSUMA

No way.

Wanderer2010

Absolutely not. I don't want to bring that hassle into my life.

Im as open minded as the next person but the fact remains, despite all the research about their background, the discrimination they face etc, that a lot of them are just criminals and I have no interest in being around that type of person.

mcd121

No.
And dont forget the house you pay for they get for nothing

malinheader

I wouldn't take one for free. 100% no.

oceanman

Deleted User wrote: »

Travellers used to work for farmers and make items out of tin for sale, hence the term "tinker", which wasn't a pejorative term originally. Back in the day and were a respected part of rural Ireland. Then the dole came in and they went from being valued to valueless with nothing to. Do except sit round, drink, make babies and get up to no good.

Some sort of education or work for long term welfare would be a much better alternative for travellers, or indeed all long term unemployed. Coupled with actual law enforcement.

We also need to give decent travellers a chance at employment and being full members of society.

travellers don't want to be full members of society though, that why they choose to be travellers.

JizzBeans

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Absolutely not. I don't want to bring that hassle into my life.

Im as open minded as the next person but the fact remains, despite all the research about their background, the discrimination they face etc, that a lot of them are just criminals and I have no interest in being around that type of person.

Why is it frowned upon to say that these days though, I mean its a legitimate point nothing wrong with it.

Graham

Mod Note

Interesting discussion point JizzBeans.

Not A & P related though so feel free to continue that line of thought somewhere else.

Do not reply to this post.

Edgware

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Travellers used to work for farmers and make items out of tin for sale, hence the term "tinker", which wasn't a pejorative term originally. Back in the day and were a respected part of rural Ireland. Then the dole came in and they went from being valued to valueless with nothing to. Do except sit round, drink, make babies and get up to no good.

Some sort of education or work for long term welfare would be a much better alternative for travellers, or indeed all long term unemployed. Coupled with actual law enforcement.

We also need to give decent travellers a chance at employment and being full members of society.

Have you invited them over for Sunday lunch?

JoeA3

No way. No no no. Why would you bring that on yourself.

FrankPoll.

Yes boss

terrydel

the herr blair bunch wrote: »

Any of you who enjoy a hike up the Hellfire Club will no doubt have seen the new and, when I was there last year, still being built developments at the foot of the area, at Stocking Lane. Large estate, ugly design (as all the newer builds tend to be these days, and I work in the industry), no front gardens on most IIRC, again as is par for the course with most new builds.

From memory they started at 400k, and they are right on the doorstep of a small traveller housing scheme.

You won't exactly get a bargain on anything within spitting distance of them in wealthier areas either.

Would I particularly like to live next to a halting site?
No.

Would I pay 400k to live next to one in Rathfarnham when I can pay 180- 200k to live next to one in Finglas?
Absoloutely ****ing not. What sort of lunatic pays that for a house there? An ugly one at that.

You're right, those houses are shocking, drive by them most days going to work.
Assume this is the development you are referring to? http://ballycullengreen.ie/