SUV suggestion for a long commute

masterboy123

Could anyone recommend a SUV in the range of 25-35k budget. Brand new car.

For someone doing a 250 kms commute (that's for a return trip) daily for 4 days a week. So 1,000 km weekly.

Things required :

+Automatic transmission
+Auto lights and wipers
+LED lights
+Reverse camera
+/-Adjustable lumbar support
? Diesel as it's a long commute and will be cheaper?
+Durable & hassle free i.e. Unlikely to break on highway.

Sedan makes you feel tired on long journeys, so comfort is a priority. Not looking for much space.

Thanks, & a very happy Sunday

easyvision

Seat Ateca in FR or Xcellent spec could work. Mc coy motors Lucan has god pricing on 2019 models I saw recently online

Cookie_Monster

How does a sedan makes you feel tired on a long journey? Especially compared to a rolly polly SUV?

HailSatan

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

How does a sedan makes you feel tired on a long journey? Especially compared to a rolly polly SUV?

The chance of a roll over if I had to make a sudden manoeuvre really keeps me sharp

The J Stands for Jay

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

How does a sedan makes you feel tired on a long journey? Especially compared to a rolly polly SUV?

Sounds like they're talking about the seating position. A Ford Transit would be the best bet.

masterboy123

Going to check online now. I am based in Midwest.

easyvision wrote: »

Seat Ateca in FR or Xcellent spec could work. Mc coy motors Lucan has god pricing on 2019 models I saw recently online

colm_mcm

HailSatan wrote: »

The chance of a roll over if I had to make a sudden manoeuvre really keeps me sharp

If the OP is buying used, it’s always advisable to check for roof damage given how common it is for small crossovers to roll over.
Oh wait

masterboy123

Well if you have a belly like me then you would understand

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

How does a sedan makes you feel tired on a long journey? Especially compared to a rolly polly SUV?

bazz26

Peugeot 3008 would be at the top end of your budget but would tick most of your boxes. I think they come with a 5 year warranty these days and one of the best crossovers on the market at present. I wouldn't rule out a 191 or ex demo 192 car either, you will still have the balance of manufacturers warranty on it but will save a few grand over a brand new one.

For example:
https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2354964&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D67%26o%5B%5D%3D1457%26f%3D2%26t%3D2%26yn%3D2019%26yx%3D2019%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

Look into importing from the north too, many dealers up there will take a southern trade-in so it might work out cheaper again but you might have to put the skates on with Brexit looming (apparently).

Del2005

masterboy123 wrote: »

Could anyone recommend a SUV in the range of 25-35k budget. Brand new car.

For someone doing a 250 kms commute (that's for a return trip) daily for 4 days a week. So 1,000 km weekly.

Things required :

+Automatic transmission
+Auto lights and wipers
+LED lights
+Reverse camera
+/-Adjustable lumbar support
? Diesel as it's a long commute and will be cheaper?
+Durable & hassle free i.e. Unlikely to break on highway.

Sedan makes you feel tired on long journeys, so comfort is a priority. Not looking for much space.

Thanks, & a very happy Sunday

Is there a reason why you want the SUV? A car will give better fuel economy than the SUV that's based on it, and cost less to buy.

colm_mcm

Lots of people find a higher driving position less tiring on long journeys.

masterboy123

Yes, this is the reason for picking up SUV.

Your seating position is like sitting on a chair in an SUV, as opposed to sitting on a stool in a sedan. Also, seating position on a sedan puts pressure on your abdomen if you have tummy flabs :P

I am myself driving a sedan, but not doing long commutes. I have opened this thread for a family member who is not on boards.

Thanks for suggesting Ateca and Peugeot SUV.

colm_mcm wrote: »

Lots of people find a higher driving position less tiring on long journeys.

CoBo55

Do Irish people actually use the term sedan? This country is going to the dogs. The Skoda Karoq is getting good press atm.

hawley

bazz26 wrote: »

Peugeot 3008 would be at the top end of your budget but would tick most of your boxes. I think they come with a 5 year warranty these days and one of the best crossovers on the market at present. I wouldn't rule out a 191 or ex demo 192 car either, you will still have the balance of manufacturers warranty on it but will save a few grand over a brand new one.

For example:
https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2354964&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D67%26o%5B%5D%3D1457%26f%3D2%26t%3D2%26yn%3D2019%26yx%3D2019%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

Look into importing from the north too, many dealers up there will take a southern trade-in so it might work out cheaper again but you might have to put the skates on with Brexit looming (apparently).

There's scrappage available on Peugeots at the moment, so about 3.5k off list price.

dh1985

hawley wrote: »

There's scrappage available on Peugeots at the moment, so about 3.5k off list price.

But aren't Peugeots bags of dung

CoBo55

hawley wrote: »

There's scrappage available on Peugeots at the moment, so about 3.5k off list price.

Wouldn't touch one for the lotto, flimsy plastic rubbish and with any kind of mileage the dash always has a bloody light on driving you crazy.

Alun

CoBo55 wrote: »

Do Irish people actually use the term sedan?

No, they don't use the term "highway" either.

On the ridiculous comments on rollovers, the majority of the smaller SUV / crossover vehicles are barely taller than their "sedan" equivalents, often only 5cm or so. It's all clever optics and design for the most part.

CoBo55

dh1985 wrote: »

But aren't Peugeots bags of dung

Sprayed with fabreze... If you sniff deep enough the stink is still there...

HailSatan

Alun wrote: »

No, they don't use the term "highway" either.

On the ridiculous comments on rollovers, the majority of the smaller SUV / crossover vehicles are barely taller than their "sedan" equivalents, often only 5cm or so. It's all clever optics and design for the most part.

No difference in COG?

Alun

HailSatan wrote: »

No difference in COG?

Some perhaps, but pretty insignificant in practice.

CoBo55

HailSatan wrote: »

No difference in COG?

No, it's just the saloon version raised a bit on the suspension, the heavy bits are still in the same place.

BrianD3

One of the criticisms of the Renault Zoe is that the driving position is too high and upright. There are other criticisms of the car which might be actual downsides in your case but IMO the forthcoming 52 kWh model would still be worth considering and if it is suitable you would save thousands per year in fuel costs vs a diesel crossover.

CoBo55

BrianD3 wrote: »

One of the criticisms of the Renault Zoe is that the driving position is too high and upright. There are other criticisms of the car which might be actual downsides in your case but IMO the forthcoming 52 kWh model would still be worth considering and if it is suitable you would save thousands per year in fuel costs vs a diesel crossover.

Oh lord, here we go, the first slave to the cable suggestion.

KCross

masterboy123 wrote: »

Could anyone recommend a SUV in the range of 25-35k budget. Brand new car.

For someone doing a 250 kms commute (that's for a return trip) daily for 4 days a week. So 1,000 km weekly.

Things required :

+Automatic transmission
+Auto lights and wipers
+LED lights
+Reverse camera
+/-Adjustable lumbar support
? Diesel as it's a long commute and will be cheaper?
+Durable & hassle free i.e. Unlikely to break on highway.

Sedan makes you feel tired on long journeys, so comfort is a priority. Not looking for much space.

Thanks, & a very happy Sunday

eNiro or Kona EV.

Both will comfortably do that commute without stopping and as long as they can charge at home they will have a much more reliable car.

They are both around €3k above budget but with that kind of mileage the extra €3k will be more than paid for in year 1 in fuel savings with many thousand in savings every year after that.

Cheaper tolls, motor tax, servicing etc.

If anyone is suitable for an EV it is the Ops scenario.

masterboy123

https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/SEAT/Ateca-0--FINANCE---AUTO----ALCANTARA-SEATS----AUTOMATIC-/201806207666300


How's this one?

Are SEAT good with post sales issues? And how many years of manufacturers warranty?

CoBo55

KCross wrote: »

eNiro or Kona EV.

Both will comfortably do that commute without stopping and as long as they can charge at home they will have a much more reliable car.

They are both around €3k above budget but with that kind of mileage the extra €3k will be more than paid for in year 1 in fuel savings with many thousand in savings every year after that.

Cheaper tolls, motor tax, servicing etc.

If anyone is suitable for an EV it is the Ops scenario.

And the second...

CoBo55

masterboy123 wrote: »

https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/SEAT/Ateca-0--FINANCE---AUTO----ALCANTARA-SEATS----AUTOMATIC-/201806207666300


How's this one?

Are SEAT good with post sales issues? And how many years of manufacturers warranty?

They just don't seem to do as well as their other vag counterparts particularly on resale value if that's important to you.

KCross

CoBo55 wrote: »

And the second...

??? Second what?

Edit: I’m with you now. So, a suggestion that fully meets the ops needs is not allowed if it has a plug. That’s not very helpful of you. It’s all about choice and now he has a view contrary to yours. That’s a good thing!

You might see EVs being a slave to the plug but I’d rather that than a slave to the oil companies but each to their own.

HailSatan

CoBo55 wrote: »

No, it's just the saloon version raised a bit on the suspension, the heavy bits are still in the same place.

So it's not lifted?


Or the engine gearbox etc get dropped?

Mike9832

KCross wrote: »

eNiro or Kona EV.

Both will comfortably do that commute without stopping and as long as they can charge at home they will have a much more reliable car.

They are both around €3k above budget but with that kind of mileage the extra €3k will be more than paid for in year 1 in fuel savings with many thousand in savings every year after that.

Cheaper tolls, motor tax, servicing etc.

If anyone is suitable for an EV it is the Ops scenario.

All for EV for KCross

But you cant recommend the Kona EV at €38,000 and not laugh 😂

Its a horrible yoke, €38,000 should buy an incredible car, it's a 20k car, with a 20k battery

Not trolling but hands up I think the Dacia Sandero Stepway diesel for €15,000 brand new has equal quality interior to Kona, thats how bad the Kona is.

eNiro I like though, much better

On Dacia, how can EVs compete with offers like this

€23 a week, brand new car

https://www.dacia.ie/vehicles/sandero/offers.html

masterboy123

eKona is 38k. Is there a 0% APR available?

And what's the electricity cost per full charge?

KCross wrote: »

eNiro or Kona EV.

Both will comfortably do that commute without stopping and as long as they can charge at home they will have a much more reliable car.

They are both around €3k above budget but with that kind of mileage the extra €3k will be more than paid for in year 1 in fuel savings with many thousand in savings every year after that.

Cheaper tolls, motor tax, servicing etc.

If anyone is suitable for an EV it is the Ops scenario.

CoBo55

KCross wrote: »

??? Second what?

Edit: I’m with you now. So, a suggestion that fully meets the ops needs is not allowed if it has a plug. That’s not very helpful of you. It’s all about choice and now he has a view contrary to yours. That’s a good thing!

You might see EVs being a slave to the plug but I’d rather that than a slave to the oil companies but each to their own.

Or a slave digging out precious elements with their bare hands, anyway.. The op said they wanted a DSG diesel, no mention of ev.

bazz26

dh1985 wrote: »

But aren't Peugeots bags of dung

CoBo55 wrote: »

Wouldn't touch one for the lotto, flimsy plastic rubbish and with any kind of mileage the dash always has a bloody light on driving you crazy.

The last decade just called looking for it's opinions back.

Have either of you actually been in the latest generation of Peugeots?

CoBo55

masterboy123 wrote: »

eKona is 38k. Is there a 0% APR available?

And what's the electricity cost per full charge?

No to the first ceist and I'd love to see the answer to your second ceist, it's a bit like Mary Brannigans black baby, A Mystery...

HailSatan

CoBo55 wrote: »

No to the first ceist and I'd love to see the answer to your second ceist, it's a bit like Mary Brannigans black baby, A Mystery...

The battery capacity is a mystery? Or the cost per unit? Or the negligible inefficiency involved in charging it?

Where is the mystery?

CoBo55

bazz26 wrote: »

The last decade just called looking for it's opinions back.

Have either of you actually been in the latest generation of Peugeots?

Yep!! Neighbour has a 172 2008 absolute ball of scrap, servicing costs are nuts he's doing Enniscorthy to Waterford 5 shifts a week, she's a gonner next year as you'd need sunglasses there's that many lights on the dash...

Markcheese

dh1985 wrote: »

But aren't Peugeots bags of dung

I thought they'd shot up in terms of reliability at the moment... https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/peugeot-named-as-most-dependable-car-brand-in-uk-by-jd-power-1.3887615

CoBo55

HailSatan wrote: »

The battery capacity is a mystery? Or the cost per unit? Or the negligible inefficiency involved in charging it?

Where is the mystery?

How much does a charge cost at home? i.e. plug it in, unplug it in the morning, how many revolutions has the little wheel done in the meter?

bazz26

CoBo55 wrote: »

Yep!! Neighbour has a 172 2008 absolute ball of scrap, servicing costs are nuts he's doing Enniscorthy to Waterford 5 shifts a week, she's a gonner next year as you'd need sunglasses there's that many lights on the dash...

We are talking about the new generation of 3008 here not the old 2008. So your just generalising the entire brand based on one third party experience. I know people with the new 3008 with zero problems.

JPA

CoBo55 wrote: »

How much does a charge cost at home? i.e. plug it in, unplug it in the morning, how many revolutions has the little wheel done in the meter?

64kwh Kona.
Cost per unit can be seen on your electricity bill.

Let's assume 0.18c per unit. Therefore 11.52 from 0 to 100%. Half it for night rate electricity, €5.76.

HailSatan

CoBo55 wrote: »

How much does a charge cost at home? i.e. plug it in, unplug it in the morning, how many revolutions has the little wheel done in the meter?

The battery capacity is a mystery? Or the cost per unit? Or the negligible inefficiency involved in charging it?

Where is the mystery?

Give me something to work with here.

HailSatan

JPA wrote: »

64kwh Kona.
Cost per unit can be seen on your electricity bill.

Let's assume 0.18c per unit. Therefore 11.52 from 0 to 100%. Half it for night rate electricity, €5.76.

That doesn't seem at all mysterious. Why would anyone make out that there was something mysterious and scary about it. Very strange behaviour.

Marcusm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Lots of people find a higher driving position less tiring on long journeys.

Funnily enough, I find the greaterroad noise makes me more tired/irritable but mine might be an excessive situation.

Mike9832

CoBo55 wrote: »

Or a slave digging out precious elements with their bare hands, anyway.. The op said they wanted a DSG diesel, no mention of ev.

Cobalt is an old prob

Its Nickel that's the elephant in the room

80% of modern batteries are made of nickel, that percentage going up all the time

A eKona has a battery weighting a few hundred kg

Thats a **** tonne of nickel for a tiny little car

All these 1 million electric cars on the road by 2030 here and petrol/diesel bans worldwide are laughable

Amount of nickel alone that would be needed for that is absolutely insane

Price alone has went up 30% in the last 2 months with all the electric car news from players like VW

Anyone reading this buy nickel lol 😂

Its the new gold/silver

KCross

CoBo55 wrote: »

Or a slave digging out precious elements with their bare hands,

Its not without its issues but I presume you're not claiming the odd person hasnt died because of oil over the years!!!
Its a weak argument thats getting weaker as cobalt is being steadily reduced/removed from EV batteries now.

CoBo55 wrote: »

anyway.. The op said they wanted a DSG diesel, no mention of ev.

No he didnt, he said automatic and diesel, with a question mark on whether that was the right option and whether it would be the cheaper option. I've given him an option that is significantly cheaper. He obviously cares about TCO.

And even if he didnt mention EV, so what? Does that mean its ruled out. He's looking for options.... i've given him 2. No skin off my nose if he goes for it or not but at least he's informed.

CoBo55 wrote: »

No to the first ceist and I'd love to see the answer to your second ceist, it's a bit like Mary Brannigans black baby, A Mystery...

There is no mystery, only lack of knowledge on your part.

Do you have an objection to all EV's on principle?

CoBo55 wrote: »

How much does a charge cost at home? i.e. plug it in, unplug it in the morning, how many revolutions has the little wheel done in the meter?

It depends on how much driving he does. The figures he gave are 1000km per week for the commute. Assuming some extra km on the off days we'll round that up to 55,000km per year.

The two cars I suggested would use ~16kWh/100km depending on how heavy his right shoe it. There is about 8% heat loss during the charging process so a total of ~17.5kWh/100km.

That's 9625kWh's worth of electricity at a night rate of 7.62c/kWh so a total cost for 55,000km in those EV's is in or around €733 for the year.

Any diesel SUV you care to suggest will cost 5+ times that!
And after 3 years the diesel, with 165,000km's on it, will be requiring alot more maintenance.

KCross

Mike9832 wrote: »

All for EV for KCross

But you cant recommend the Kona EV at €38,000 and not laugh ��

Its a horrible yoke, €38,000 should buy an incredible car, it's a 20k car, with a 20k battery

I wont disagree the Kona EV is over priced for the spec but the Op in this case is doing crazy mileage so EV is the right choice if they like the car and they care about TCO, eventhough its beyond their budget... the payback is in year 1!!!

The eNiro is, as you said, better value as its bigger and better spec.

peasant

every single F*** thread...every single one...

Really?

KCross

peasant wrote: »

every single F*** thread...every single one...

Really?

I know, its very annoying! :pac:

masterboy123

Very much valuable info!

How long do these 64 kwh batteries lasts for? I imagine they are relatively new technology and not tested on a large scale.

I worry about yearly maintenance cost, how much would they be for eniro or ekona?

Also, what are the most common issues arising in these cars?

KCross wrote: »

Its not without its issues but I presume you're not claiming the odd person hasnt died because of oil over the years!!!
Its a weak argument thats getting weaker as cobalt is being steadily reduced/removed from EV batteries now.




No he didnt, he said automatic and diesel, with a question mark on whether that was the right option and whether it would be the cheaper option. I've given him an option that is significantly cheaper. He obviously cares about TCO.

And even if he didnt mention EV, so what? Does that mean its ruled out. He's looking for options.... i've given him 2. No skin off my nose if he goes for it or not but at least he's informed.




There is no mystery, only lack of knowledge on your part.

Do you have an objection to all EV's on principle?




It depends on how much driving he does. The figures he gave are 1000km per week for the commute. Assuming some extra km on the off days we'll round that up to 55,000km per year.

The two cars I suggested would use ~16kWh/100km depending on how heavy his right shoe it. There is about 8% heat loss during the charging process so a total of ~17.5kWh/100km.

That's 9625kWh's worth of electricity at a night rate of 7.62c/kWh so a total cost for 55,000km in those EV's is in or around €733 for the year.

Any diesel SUV you care to suggest will cost 5+ times that!
And after 3 years the diesel, with 165,000km's on it, will be requiring alot more maintenance.

LillySV

masterboy123 wrote: »

Could anyone recommend a SUV in the range of 25-35k budget. Brand new car.

For someone doing a 250 kms commute (that's for a return trip) daily for 4 days a week. So 1,000 km weekly.

Things required :

+Automatic transmission
+Auto lights and wipers
+LED lights
+Reverse camera
+/-Adjustable lumbar support
? Diesel as it's a long commute and will be cheaper?
+Durable & hassle free i.e. Unlikely to break on highway.

Sedan makes you feel tired on long journeys, so comfort is a priority. Not looking for much space.

Thanks, & a very happy Sunday

Bmw 5 series

listermint

No ones suggested new job?

Cos that commute is nuts. It'll put you in an early grave doing that 5 days a week.

Absolutely nuts.