no income tax cuts from irelands "right wing" party

Idbatterim

Basically there will be another cyncial vote buyer for the pensioners, likely E5 a week. (The pensions system here is an absolute ticking time bomb)! Dole probably increased too. Theyve been benefiting by a bigger weekly euro increase, than workers on earning up to E50,000 the last few budgets, so nothing new there!

They are lucky there isnt a competent party that would reward workers, rather than the layabouts here! Or they would be far more conscious to reward the idiots that vote for them, actually believing that they serve their interests. I assume FG think they will lose votes from the likes of Margaret Ca$h if they dont continually prop up the outrageous welfare state, paid by the working poor who are hit by a marginal tax rate of FIFTY percent!


https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0911/1075178-cabinet-budget/

Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe has ruled out any reductions in personal taxation in the next Budget.

Mr Donohoe was speaking after the Cabinet agreed to base Budget 2020 on the assumption that there will be a no-deal Brexit.

He said this decision would provide certainty to businesses, safeguard the public finances and prevent the reversal of decisions later on.

The minister also said the welfare package this year would not be similar in scale to previous years.

Mr Donohoe will announce the full details of the Budget in the Dáil on 8 October.

The Government is likely to seek to have State-aid rules eased in an effort to offer financial assistance to businesses that would suffer most if there was a hard Brexit.

"Assuming a no-deal Brexit ensures the Government has the necessary resources at its disposal to meet the impact of this exceptional challenge whilst preserving the longer term sustainability of the public finances."

Mr Donohoe also said that increases will be made to social welfare payments.

He added: "The government will, of course, put in place the resources that are needed to support citizens at a time of change and difficulty, and to put in place the provision that may be needed to accommodate a reduced tax take due to fewer people at work.

"We will also have the provision in place to increase social welfare supports and funding due to a temporary increase in unemployment.

"We will also, in that phase of the budget, introduce timely, targeted and temporary measures for the sectors of our economy that could be, and will be, affected by a no-deal Brexit taking place."

In what he described as a "safe and careful budget", Mr Donohoe said it will focus on ensuring the government has the resources it needs to be ready for a shock at the end of October when the UK is due to leave the European Union.

"I want to ensure that we are maximising the resources that are available to help citizens, families and communities that could find themselves dealing with real change as a result of a no-deal Brexit taking place.

"I will have to make changes in our personal tax code to deal with a potential change in the minimum wage.

"There are the kinds of changes that I still want to ensure that I make but my priority is going to be making our national finances as robust as possible to ensure that if we do face a challenge in 2020 that we are best placed as possible to deal with it."

jim salter

The only concern politicians have is for their own pockets.

They do not live in the real world and are completely out of touch with the reality of the average person.

They view the working population as proletariat and nothing more.

They are incompetent to the highest degree (in relation to repereseting the people of Ireland) but highly competent in protecting their own (collective) interests.

The only mechanism the know how to use is taxation. There is no growth mindsets in government - and why would there be? They are constantly rewarded for failure and incompetence.

kneemos

He actually said there won't be an increase for the dole and pensioners.

Assetbacked

FG have abandoned the tax-paying working people they made a load of promises to prior to and during their stint in government. "Abolish the USC" was their election slogan which had a big impact on the tax-paying workers who voted for them in the last election.

The "growth" in this country propped up by FG is unsustainable and an international recession that significantly impacts our MNC activity is desperately-needed. It is pure spin to claim that the economy is strong; insurance, housing, childcare transport and health all cost significantly more than they did five years ago yet salaries have not matched their rises. Therefore, it feels like the supposed "austerity years" of 2008-2013 were only the warm-up for the much more devastating austerity of the last five years.

We are being told about how the economic growth is amazing but people have less money in their pocket the more growth we have.

Mad_maxx

kneemos wrote: »

He actually said there won't be an increase for the dole and pensioners.

Willie o dea won't like that as spokesperson for lavishing goodies on pensioners

do you ever find that when someone has to finish their sentences with exclamation marks that you're as well not to bother reading very far.

tayto lover

They’ve been exaggerating the effects of a no deal Brexit for ages in order to produce a budget which gives nobody anything. I think they are the only Public Servants who got a pay increase in the last 12 years without jndustraction. Granted by themselves of course.

lola85

tayto lover wrote: »

They’ve been exaggerating the effects of a no deal Brexit for ages in order to produce a budget which gives nobody anything. I think they are the only Public Servants who got a pay increase in the last 12 years without jndustraction. Granted by themselves of course.

Well that’s wrong.

The increases were part of the public pay agreement and was across all areas.

tayto lover

lola85 wrote: »

Well that’s wrong.

The increases were part of the public pay agreement and was across all areas.

I spoke to a PS worker who says he has not received a pay rise in 12 years.
Is he spoofing me?

godtabh

Assetbacked wrote: »

FG have abandoned the tax-paying working people they made a load of promises to prior to and during their stint in government. "Abolish the USC" was their election slogan which had a big impact on the tax-paying workers who voted for them in the last election.

The "growth" in this country propped up by FG is unsustainable and an international recession that significantly impacts our MNC activity is desperately-needed. It is pure spin to claim that the economy is strong; insurance, housing, childcare transport and health all cost significantly more than they did five years ago yet salaries have not matched their rises. Therefore, it feels like the supposed "austerity years" of 2008-2013 were only the warm-up for the much more devastating austerity of the last five years.

We are being told about how the economic growth is amazing but people have less money in their pocket the more growth we have.

We need another recession to put MNC back in their place? Seriously? Do you not remember the last recession and the impact that it had on the average person?

Cop yourself on

nthclare

FG are absolutely useless in government.

All sound bites and word salad and spin.

There's been a tenner less in all your pockets every year since they came in.

So since 2011 they've taken 80 euros from your pockets.... incrementally every year they've hatched a plan to make sure you don't get a step upwards...
That's 4160 euros you're down now a year due to these guy's

first year 520 second 1040 third 1560 Fourth 2080 and so on....

The emperor's New clothes alive and well in good old Ireland

They also cut the tax free allowance to single father's...

so you can add 20 × 12 = 240 and multiply that by 8 which is 1920 Euros

that's a lot of 1920 Euros in the coffers...

But good old Pascal,Enda,Leo and his buds don't give a toss....

Well done girls

gmisk

tayto lover wrote: »

I spoke to a PS worker who says he has not received a pay rise in 12 years.
Is he spoofing me?

If he has been at the same grade for a long time (i.e no increments or long service increments) it would be possible....but unlikely.

lola85

tayto lover wrote: »

I spoke to a PS worker who says he has not received a pay rise in 12 years.
Is he spoofing me?

Yes.

kneemos

tayto lover wrote: »

I spoke to a PS worker who says he has not received a pay rise in 12 years.
Is he spoofing me?

Spoofing - to mock,or trick.

westcork67

If you are a hard working private sector PAYE worker in this country earning over €40k there is no political party from an economic perspective that deserves your vote - the rush to the left by our politicians to appease the socialist media in this country is scary - spend what we don't have and to hell with the consequences! Where have we seen this happen before?!?!?!

Fine Gael and Varadkar have been such a disappointment on this - I would have voted for them believing that they wanted to incentivise work and get to grips with the significant portion of the population who contribute little more to the country than a sense of entitlement - I am left with a protest vote option next election at this point

kneemos

westcork67 wrote: »

If you are a hard working private sector PAYE worker in this country earning over €40k there is no political party from an economic perspective that deserves your vote - the rush to the left by our politicians to appease the socialist media in this country is scary - spend what we don't have and to hell with the consequences! Where have we seen this happen before?!?!?!

Fine Gael and Varadkar have been such a disappointment on this - I would have voted for them believing that they wanted to incentivise work and get to grips with the significant portion of the population who contribute little more to the country than a sense of entitlement - I am left with a protest vote option next election at this point

Who's rushing to the left? Thought FG were supposed to be to the right?

Fr_Dougal

I’d be happy with no tax cuts, and no social welfare increases. Stick the money into improving transport.

Assetbacked

godtabh wrote: »

We need another recession to put MNC back in their place? Seriously? Do you not remember the last recession and the impact that it had on the average person?

Cop yourself on

"The last recession" had nothing to do with MNCs, it was because of the artificial inflation of economic activity due to massive leverage to property. Hmm sounds similar (it isn't) to the current situation where the economic growth is being artificially propped up by MNC activity now - it is different and if you genuinely think the last recession is similar to the current situation then I think you should get your head out of your ass.

delly

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I’d be happy with no tax cuts, and no social welfare increases. Stick the money into improving transport.

I feel the same. I don't want that extra 20 a month which is near useless anyway. If no one else is getting it as well, then happy days, it has to go into some departments budget. Spin or no spin, I know my personal circumstances and also those of our neighbours, keep on trucking Leo.

Assetbacked

westcork67 wrote: »

If you are a hard working private sector PAYE worker in this country earning over €40k there is no political party from an economic perspective that deserves your vote - the rush to the left by our politicians to appease the socialist media in this country is scary - spend what we don't have and to hell with the consequences! Where have we seen this happen before?!?!?!

Fine Gael and Varadkar have been such a disappointment on this - I would have voted for them believing that they wanted to incentivise work and get to grips with the significant portion of the population who contribute little more to the country than a sense of entitlement - I am left with a protest vote option next election at this point

This is a reason to break up big tech for the reason that it is anti-democratic. Online discourse is very popular but only occurs on a tiny number of platforms (Twitter, Instagram and Facebook). This discourse spills into modern life due to the fact that technology (and with it, online social media) is such a big part of our lives these days; which means that opinions on these small number of platforms can have a big influence on real life. Therefore, the social media platform policies themselves have a big impact on the opinions and swayings of politicians and the electorate. This is extremely dangerous as we have already seen and will continue to see.

Anyone who claims "Facebook etc. is a private company, not a public forum" is too small-minded and does not appreciate the fact there is such a massive concentration of online social discourse on such a tiny number of platforms.

tayto lover

delly wrote: »

I feel the same. I don't want that extra 20 a month which is near useless anyway. If no one else is getting it as well, then happy days, it has to go into some departments budget. Spin or no spin, I know my personal circumstances and also those of our neighbours, keep on trucking Leo.

They should give it to the army people who have very poor wages.

jim salter

Assetbacked wrote: »

"The last recession" had nothing to do with MNCs, it was because of the artificial inflation of economic activity due to massive leverage to property. Hmm sounds similar (it isn't) to the current situation where the economic growth is being artificially propped up by MNC activity now - it is different and if you genuinely think the last recession is similar to the current situation then I think you should get your head out of your ass.

It is different this time because the banks have now insulated themselves a lot better than before.

MNC's are helping drive up prices but again its the greedy people who are perpetuating this bubble.

Looking great for a monumental crash, the likes of which has not bee seen before.

Read the article written by Greg Palast in 2001 about the globalist who came in from the cold. https://www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold/

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Assetbacked wrote: »

This is a reason to break up big tech for the reason that it is anti-democratic. Online discourse is very popular but only occurs on a tiny number of platforms (Twitter, Instagram and Facebook). This discourse spills into modern life due to the fact that technology (and with it, online social media) is such a big part of our lives these days; which means that opinions on these small number of platforms can have a big influence on real life. Therefore, the social media platform policies themselves have a big impact on the opinions and swayings of politicians and the electorate. This is extremely dangerous as we have already seen and will continue to see.

Anyone who claims "Facebook etc. is a private company, not a public forum" is too small-minded and does not appreciate the fact there is such a massive concentration of online social discourse on such a tiny number of platforms.

I can’t see Fine Gael breaking up big tech. To be fair, they can’t.

is_that_so

Really no surprise in this at all. It has been flagged for a pretty good while and it is a blindingly obvious outcome of the looming No-Deal Brexit. Even with a deal some of that cash would have needed to be set aside.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

jim salter wrote: »

It is different this time because the banks have now insulated themselves a lot better than before.

MNC's are helping drive up prices but again its the greedy people who are perpetuating this bubble.

Looking great for a monumental crash, the likes of which has not bee seen before.

Read the article written by Greg Palast in 2001 about the globalist who came in from the cold. https://www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold/

The circumstances for a monumental crash are not there. A recession maybe.

lan

Idbatterim wrote: »

Basically there will be another cyncial vote buyer for the pensioners, likely E5 a week. (The pensions system here is an absolute ticking time bomb)! Dole probably increased too.

I don’t think so, at best it’s not very clear. This is what the article says:

The minister also said the welfare package this year would not be similar in scale to previous years.

Confusingly it then goes on to say:

Mr Donohoe also said that increases will be made to social welfare payments.

But that’s not a quote, the actual quote was:

"We will also have the provision in place to increase social welfare supports and funding due to a temporary increase in unemployment.”

Which implies the social welfare sector will be getting an increase to compensate for the additional people who lose their jobs after a hard Brexit. He doesn’t say that individuals will receive more.

Anyway, did you really expect tax cuts with Brexit looming? A tight budget makes sense given the current situation, hope for the best but plan for the worst...

Sleeper12

Personally I'd like to see no pension /welfare increase & no tax cuts.

And the question should be , "why do people keep voting for these guys " ?

The answer maybe in my username .

delly

tayto lover wrote: »

They should give it to the army people who have very poor wages.

Absolutely, the way those individuals are treated is terrible. It's a tough job with the majority of people not really understanding how highly skilled they are.

99problems1

Ah and so the dripfeeding of budget changes are leaked to the media so there's no major headlines and thus no unified outrage. Pack of **** FG. Bring back FF.

No doubt social welfare and pensions will go up. Absolute cretins.

Makes me sick seeing people praise FG for Brexit when they aren't even doing anything, only preserving the good friday agreement and doing what the EU says.

kneemos

THE_SHEEP wrote: »

And the question should be , "why do people keep voting for these guys " ?

The answer maybe in my username .

Who do you suggest people vote for?

Ten of Swords

Mod

Think this is better suited to CA

99problems1

godtabh wrote: »

We need another recession to put MNC back in their place? Seriously? Do you not remember the last recession and the impact that it had on the average person?

Cop yourself on

A hard recession would be good, empty out the country again as the services we have are not able for it. Buses, trams, trains wedged! Roads clogged! Trolleys piling up! Schools overcrowded! People living in hotels!

Irish Praetorian

There might be one silver lining from this policy, namely our National Debt is approaching the level it was at before the Great Recession, at least when expressed as a proportion of GDP.

Also, when people talk about how there tax money is spent and on things they do and don't like it being spent on, I'd advise them to consult the following site:

https://whereyourmoneygoes.gov.ie/en/2019/

I know the temptation is to see government money as being nothing more than a giant pot getting pissed away on the usual suspects, but the biggest item in the Social Protection budget by far is pensions at 8bn - that's not far off what we spend on managing the debt (9.6bn) or funding our entire education system (10.8bn) and we have ourselves an ageing population.

99problems1

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I’d be happy with no tax cuts, and no social welfare increases. Stick the money into improving transport.

lol

The money is going to overspends on childrens hospitals and broadband and health overruns and going straight into consultants pockets.

Very naive.

kneemos

kneemos wrote: »

Who do you suggest people vote for?

Independents ? Or , maybe don't vote at all ? Just vote in the European elections , seeing as " they " really call the shots 😊

14dMoney

So what? If anything, new taxes should be introduced to address inequality which is rampant in Ireland.

Eric Cartman

Why will nobody cut taxes here, we don’t have a single party that has any interest in helping working people, its just bend over get shafted

Eric Cartman

14dMoney wrote: »

So what? If anything, new taxes should be introduced to address inequality which is rampant in Ireland.

Yeah , start making lower income people py a share, woden the tax band, professionals and high earners pay all the tax here

pjohnson

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Why will nobody cut taxes here, we don’t have a single party that has any interest in helping working people, its just bend over get shafted

Are Renua not the great hope no?

They normally get championed at budget time.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

14dMoney wrote: »

So what? If anything, new taxes should be introduced to address inequality which is rampant in Ireland.

You’ve changed, man.

99problems1

Fine Gael must be laughing how things worked out with Brexit.

Idiots in the UK making them look good by default. Fianna Fail won't pull the plug.If things do go tits up the EU will do whatever it takes to help us.

lan

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Why will nobody cut taxes here

Cause our public services are chronically underfunded and that would just make it worse?

is_that_so

99problems1 wrote: »

A hard recession would be good, empty out the country again as the services we have are not able for it. Buses, trams, trains wedged! Roads clogged! Trolleys piling up! Schools overcrowded! People living in hotels!

Can't say there is any political entity that would see this as a good platform to campaign on. Even Irexit have more sense!

piplip87

We need a recession to hurt the MNC companies in Ireland ? What about the hundreds of thousands of jobs that would be at risk ?

While I agree the dole is too high. There is no need to be on it for more than 6 months while between jobs. After that one thing this government does well is courses and retraining for the unemployed.

This is not a dole bashing thread as I have very recently found myself jobless but as I said it's only used as an emergency between jobs.

99problems1

is_that_so wrote: »

Can't say there is any political entity that would see this as a good platform to campaign on. Even Irexit have more sense!

Nah because they'll just go "we're investing in public transport blah blah blah".

Oh yeah...ye are....wow, one ****ing carriage more in 2021 for the maynooth commuter line. It's already jam packed and one carriage isn't going to cut it by 2021.

These fools don't know how to run a country and provide services so the less people in it the better. I'd rather have a crash and be able to drive on a road or send a kid to school in comfort. None of this fake investment, bending working people over.

99problems1

99problems1 wrote: »

Fine Gael must be laughing how things worked out with Brexit.

Idiots in the UK making them look good by default. Fianna Fail won't pull the plug.If things do go tits up the EU will do whatever it takes to help us.

If things go tits up, we just blame the good olde " guys on the dole " !!

enricoh

westcork67 wrote: »

If you are a hard working private sector PAYE worker in this country earning over €40k there is no political party from an economic perspective that deserves your vote - the rush to the left by our politicians to appease the socialist media in this country is scary - spend what we don't have and to hell with the consequences! Where have we seen this happen before?!?!?!

Fine Gael and Varadkar have been such a disappointment on this - I would have voted for them believing that they wanted to incentivise work and get to grips with the significant portion of the population who contribute little more to the country than a sense of entitlement - I am left with a protest vote option next election at this point

Same as that, voted for them the last time but not the next time.
Gave nothing to private sector workers the last few years n increased stealth taxes.
Wont reduce compo payouts that are 4.5 times the payouts in the uk. Something that would make car premiums drop n stop businesses going wallop.
Cull the quangos? They probably set up a quango to look into it!
Incapable of getting value for money spending taxpayers money.

Its not all negative though, leo is very photogenic n good looking too apparently! So that should even things out!

pjohnson

99problems1 wrote: »

Nah because they'll just go "we're investing in public transport blah blah blah".

Oh yeah...ye are....wow, one ****ing carriage more in 2021 for the maynooth commuter line. It's already jam packed and one carriage isn't going to cut it by 2021.

These fools don't know how to run a country and provide services so the less people in it the better. I'd rather have a crash and be able to drive on a road or send a kid to school in comfort. None of this fake investment, bending working people over.

Cant bend over working people if they are unemployed.

Moghead

99problems1 wrote: »

Ah and so the dripfeeding of budget changes are leaked to the media so there's no major headlines and thus no unified outrage. Pack of **** FG. Bring back FF.

No doubt social welfare and pensions will go up. Absolute cretins.

Makes me sick seeing people praise FG for Brexit when they aren't even doing anything, only preserving the good friday agreement and doing what the EU says.

If you're unhappy with the current government I don't know why you'd want FF back, they wouldn't have done anything differently over the last few years.

jimwallace197

Look, lets cut the sh*t.

The parties with any chance of being elected know where their bread is buttered.

Social welfare, public sector (unions), pensioners, immigrants (now standing at 825,000 who now havent been born here, lgbt community. Get these on side and you will win a majority, no doubt

Forget about any help if you are a private sector worker or god forbid self- employed. Forgetting that we make up 2/3's of the overall workforce but hell, we are not a big enough voting block collectively, probably too busy paying taxes and trying to survive each one of us

A country get the government it deserves usually. Could be worst, could be living in the UK