De-platforming fascists works

super_furry · 10-09-2019 3:44pm #1

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/59n99q/milo-yiannopoulos-says-hes-broke

Far-right provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos is broke and no longer able to make a living selling racism, xenophobia and bullying after being banned from twitter and facebook.

"I spent years growing and developing and investing in my fan base, and they just took it away in a flash."

Right-wing conman Jacob Wohl, who was banned from twitter earlier this year, echoed Yiannopoulos' statements.

You love to see it.

James Brown · 10-09-2019 3:47pm

Biased Alt-Right outrage disguised as free speech in 1...2...3...

super_furry · 10-09-2019 3:48pm

Tasfasdf wrote: »

Your source is vice, who are fascists

They were certainly founded by one, you're absolutely right there. Good call.

James Brown · 10-09-2019 3:48pm

Tasfasdf wrote: »

Your source is vice, who are fascists

You pipped my post

Vice sucks. Great point by them though.

super_furry · 10-09-2019 3:49pm

Plenty of other sources if anyone is too upset by the notion of visiting Vice.

https://splinternews.com/oh-no-milo-yiannopoulos-is-out-of-money-1837996361

10-09-2019 3:49pm

nobody is entitled to a platform, first things first

free speech does not mean speech free from criticism or consequence

but, notwithstanding personal/individual damage done to the lamentable milo, do deplatforming advocates think things are getting better or worse as a result of their strategies?

i wonder.

Sonics2k · 10-09-2019 3:52pm

Tasfasdf wrote: »

Your source is vice, who are fascists

Should probably read up on the founder of Vice. It was created by the same man who set up the Proud Boys, along side other media formats he made too.

While Vice is frankly total trash, it's purpose is to get clicks with insane articles just like his right-wing based media formats.

As for Milo. Well I remember when he first came on the scene, a very charismatic and charming guy who made some very valid points about "far-left" views and censorship. The problem is that's all the Milo had, charisma and charm. When actually faced with a decent debate he couldn't stand his own and quickly found that buzz words can only take you so far.

So then he went on to be a shock jock, doing the same thing as the people he spoke against, but coming it from another angle. While I personally don't believe he is racist, he certainly appealed greatly to a racist and xenophobic community.

Outlaw Pete · 10-09-2019 3:53pm

De-platforming fascists works

Liberals that have monopolized a service can misuse their position and silence those they disagree with.... and it works.

super_furry · 10-09-2019 3:54pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

De-platforming fascists works

When liberals have monopolized a service they can misuse their position and silence those they disagree with and it works.

Terms of service have no political alignment.

Overheal · 10-09-2019 3:55pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

De-platforming fascists works

When liberals have monopolized a service they can misuse their position and silence those they disagree with and it works.

But it is not monopolized.

drunkmonkey · 10-09-2019 3:56pm

Modern facism is coming from the left.

Hobosan · 10-09-2019 3:57pm

Too bad Tony Blair wasn't kicked off twitter sooner.

Harry Palmr · 10-09-2019 3:57pm

Live by the social media platform die by the social media platform - and the obvious danger of being a one trick pony. Don't these people know you need to diverse-ify

James Brown · 10-09-2019 3:57pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

De-platforming fascists works

When liberals have monopolized a service they can misuse their position and silence those they disagree with and it works.

When people with a view are in charge of a private media outlet they tend to be biased towards that view. I'll take that. Not exactly new mind. Is it only a conspiracy when hate mongers are silenced?

10-09-2019 3:58pm

De-platforming fascists works

Yes the Chinese government are busy de-platforming the terrorist protesters in Hong Kong. It's very effective.

Sonics2k · 10-09-2019 3:58pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Modern facism is coming from the left.

Do you know what facism means?

Outlaw Pete · 10-09-2019 3:59pm

super_furry wrote: »

Terms of service have no political alignment.

Would you stop. My Twitter account was suspended because I disagreed with a famous liberal.

They close accounts regularly that are showing their blue ticks to be factual incorrect.

Shadow banning is a constant on there for those disagreeing with leftists.

James Brown · 10-09-2019 3:59pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Modern facism is coming from the left.

Lazy ****e talk. Fascism can't come from the left. They mean different things you na na.

10-09-2019 4:01pm

Sonics2k wrote: »

So then he went on to be a shock jock, doing the same thing as the people he spoke against, but coming it from another angle. While I personally don't believe he is racist, he certainly appealed greatly to a racist and xenophobic community.

Katie Hopkins has gone down this route, provocative statement = more publicity. In it strictly for the commerce. I regard her as the lowest form of vermin, but "de-platforming" would only lead to martyrdom in the minds of her slobbering flock.

Ulysses Gaze · 10-09-2019 4:01pm

I think we are going to see a number of these provocateurs do what Lauren Southern has done and retire.

They will disappear and re-appear a few years later having penned a book criticising the Alt-Right and how they have rebuilt their lives; multiple Damascene Conversions will be seen.

I hope no-one buys that bull**** when it happens.

James Brown · 10-09-2019 4:01pm

If Milo etc. have no oxygen the world is a better place for it. Opinions are fine, it's when your opinions involve spreading hate, division and denigrating other people that you got to go.

Ulysses Gaze · 10-09-2019 4:04pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

If Milo etc. have no oxygen the world is a better place for it. Opinions are fine, it's when your opinions involve spreading hate, division and denigrating other people that you got to go.

Milo and Sargon are Edgelords. That may be funny when you are a teenager but both are in their 30's now.

drunkmonkey · 10-09-2019 4:06pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Lazy ****e talk. Fascism can't come from the left. They mean different things you na na.

It hasn't traditionally but it's now coming from the left in the form of libertarism.

Hobosan · 10-09-2019 4:06pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

If Milo etc. have no oxygen the world is a better place for it. Opinions are fine, it's when your opinions involve spreading hate, division and denigrating other people that you got to go.

Have you considered applying the standards of your second sentence to the preceeding one?

Edit - Apologies, you can ignore this. I just noticed you called someone a "na na".

super_furry · 10-09-2019 4:07pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It hasn't traditionally but it's now coming from the left in the form of libertarism.

Yeaahh......nah.

James Brown · 10-09-2019 4:08pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Milo and Sargon are Edgelords. That may be funny when you are a teenager but both are in their 30's now.

There's a market for it, just more fringe. His pedophile comment finished him off. He was a novelty on the Alt-Right. Ironically he'd be the first to get a beating from Alt-Right folk if him and his partner took a hand holding stroll through Alabama and likely from people he previously stirred up too.

super_furry · 10-09-2019 4:09pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Milo and Sargon are Edgelords. That may be funny when you are a teenager but both are in their 30's now.

That's always been their whole grift - appealing to the teenage edgelords from 8chan, Breitbart and the rest and convincing them to give them money, with no regard for who their words and actions have very real impact on real world people.

It's great to see them being shut off from their potential audience of marks.

RandomName2 · 10-09-2019 4:09pm

super_furry wrote: »

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/59n99q/milo-yiannopoulos-says-hes-broke

Far-right provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos is broke and no longer able to make a living selling racism, xenophobia and bullying after being banned from twitter and facebook.

"I spent years growing and developing and investing in my fan base, and they just took it away in a flash."

Right-wing conman Jacob Wohl, who was banned from twitter earlier this year, echoed Yiannopoulos' statements.

You love to see it.

Because the only shock jockies, whose platform is exclusively on social media, to experience 15 minutes of fame are right-wing in nature. :rolleyes:

I mean, don't let it get in the way of your argument for censorship, just realize that you are being selective in your data.

James Brown · 10-09-2019 4:10pm

Hobosan wrote: »

Have you considered applying the standards of your second sentence to the preceeding one?

Doesn't work. Are you advocating for the rights of those who would infringe upon your rights? Kind of self defeating. "I want to infringe upon your rights" 'That's your right, go ahead son'?

end of the road · 10-09-2019 4:11pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Modern facism is coming from the left.

what you refer to as fascism isn't fascism.
what you refer to as modern fascism, and in turn stating to be coming from the left, is not coming from the left as a whole, but is coming from the hard left. plenty of us on the left disagree with the harder elements and have no time for them.

Deleted User wrote: »

Katie Hopkins has gone down this route, provocative statement = more publicity. In it strictly for the commerce. I regard her as the lowest form of vermin, but "de-platforming" would only lead to martyrdom in the minds of her slobbering flock.

agreed. but thankfully we hear nothing from her these days. lets hope it stays that way.

JoeCasey · 10-09-2019 4:14pm

Matt i really don't think suffocating HomoSexuals is the Fix for all this tension.

Sonics2k · 10-09-2019 4:15pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It hasn't traditionally but it's now coming from the left in the form of libertarism.

Read that sentence again. Take your time and really think about the words in there. No rush at all, but really think about what you're saying.

Liberal = fascist. Think about that one.

drunkmonkey · 10-09-2019 4:18pm

Sonics2k wrote: »

Read that sentence again. Take your time and really think about the words in there. No rush at all, but really think about what you're saying.

Liberal = fascist. Think about that one.

Yea I've thought about it. It's mainly coming from the left.

10-09-2019 4:19pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Opinions are fine, it's when your opinions involve spreading hate, division and denigrating other people that you got to go.

Sweet irony.

It's almost as if you haven't been calling people with different viewpoints Fascists, Nazis, Grifters etc. That's not denigrating? That's not spreading hate? That's not causing division?

I think what you meant to post was; Opinions are fine, once they tie in with mine. I don't really care what your opinion is. You are entitled to it. I just don't see why people take such joy in seeing other people deplatformed. It's a very odd position. I personally like to see other people say what they want freely. It allows you to see their true feelings and doesn't drive them underground.

I'd rather know someone's honest opinion on controversial subjects rather than one that is being portrayed dishonestly for fear of being deplatformed.

But I suppose, blah blah blah Nazis, Grifters, Antifa rule.

Outlaw Pete · 10-09-2019 4:20pm

Nobody would have an issue with them removing Milo if they applied the same standards across the board, but they clearly do not.

Sarah Jeong is the perfect example of that. Twitter did fcuk all about her 'hate speech' (and it sure is that if we use liberals loose definition of it). Azealia Banks another, suggesting Sarah Palin should be gangraped, crickets from Twitter at the time. Also for every Milo, there are thousands upon thousands of other conservative accounts that removed and silenced and purely because of their views don't align with the narrative that they want dominating timelines.

Also, I follow mostly non-liberal accounts but yet every day they were suggesting that I follow prominent liberal accounts. They news they shove down your throat is all leftist also. They are not the unbiased platform they position themselves to be at all.

This is the problem with the left today. They want everyone with non-liberal views silenced. Antifa have to smash up buildings to get their way, Twitter just press a few buttons.

biko · 10-09-2019 4:20pm

end of the road wrote: »

what you refer to as fascism isn't fascism.
what you refer to as fascism only comes from the hard left, not the left as a whole. plenty of us on the left disagree with the harder elements.
.

The problem is when the regular/soft/moderate give in to the hard left and crap like in the OP can happen.

Hobosan · 10-09-2019 4:25pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Doesn't work. Are you advocating for the rights of those who would infringe upon your rights? Kind of self defeating. "I want to infringe upon your rights" 'That's your right, go ahead son'?

You were finished when you made the paedophile comments.

meeeeh · 10-09-2019 4:32pm

I thought someone wanted to ban Wagner or Leni Reifenstahl not a loudmouth on Twitter. 'Works' is a bit generous description for his contribution.

super_furry · 10-09-2019 4:32pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Sweet irony.

It's almost as if you haven't been calling people with different viewpoints Fascists, Nazis, Grifters etc. That's not denigrating? That's not spreading hate? That's not causing division?

It's using accurate terms to describe people and their actions.

Milo Yiannopoulos is a fascist and a grifter - I'd be surprised if you disagreed with that to be honest. You could also add pedophile apologist in there if you liked.

10-09-2019 4:33pm

meeeeh wrote: »

I thought someone wanted to ban Wagner or Line Reifenstahl not a loudmouth on Twitter. 'Works' is a bit generous description for his contribution.

Pretty sure that "works" in this context was meant as "is effective"

lawred2 · 10-09-2019 4:38pm

I'd like to see every ****e hawk peddling whatever for clicks and followers and data delisted..

Outlaw Pete · 10-09-2019 4:38pm

The truth is that most liberals today support the hard left. They are happy to defend violent Antifa and whenever research shows that Twitter, YouTube or Google have behaved in an unfair way so that conservative views (not mere hate speech or views which could be reasonable considered abhorrent) are suppressed, they roll out the Terms of Service nonsense, as if it excuse their scurrilous behaviour. It doesn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlSHD-NiGng

super_furry · 10-09-2019 4:41pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

They are happy to defend violent Antifa and whenever research shows that Twitter, YouTube or Google have behaved in an unfair way so that conservative views (not mere hate speech or views which could be reasonable considered abhorrent) are suppressed, they roll out the Terms of Service nonsense, as if it excuse their scurrilous behaviour. It doesn't.

Which research is that now?

Forgive me if I doubt videos from a Donald Trump youtube channel that also has Alex Jones videos up there.

batgoat · 10-09-2019 4:41pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Would you stop. My Twitter account was suspended because I disagreed with a famous liberal.

They close accounts regularly that are showing their blue ticks to be factual incorrect.

Shadow banning is a constant on there for those disagreeing with leftists.

It takes a lot to get banned from Twitter so I suspect you're misrepresenting what you said.

end of the road · 10-09-2019 4:43pm

biko wrote: »

The problem is when the regular/soft/moderate give in to the hard left and crap like in the OP can happen.

tbh on this issue i don't think it is soft/moderate/regular people giving in to the hard left, but rather those who agree with them who are in a position of power. in fact i think that may be the case generally, unless there is genuinely something they look for which actually may have legitimacy, for which we would support it.

10-09-2019 4:44pm

super_furry wrote: »

It's using accurate terms to describe people and their actions.

Milo Yiannopoulos is a fascist and a grifter - I'd be surprised if you disagreed with that to be honest. You could also add pedophile apologist in there is you liked.

Oh dear.

Define fascist to me please. It's a word that has become so nebulous with the rise of Antifa, it's very difficult to disprove or prove anyone is a fascist without knowing what definition is being used.

And to be honest, anyone who uses their opinion to make money could easily be called a grifter too. That's not really an insult. I just don't see many left wing social commentators who sell merchandise or are behind a paywall being described that way.

And as far as paedophile apologist goes, that again is absolutely false. He has repeatedly clarified what he meant and has gone so far as apologising for saying certain things that he did say. He realised he overstepped the mark and apologised. As someone who made a career from being shocking, it backfired hugely and was one of the things that caused his downfall.

But anyway, there is a difference between paedophilia and pederasty.

super_furry · 10-09-2019 4:47pm

Deleted User wrote: »

But anyway, there is a difference between paedophilia and pederasty.

Oh dear.

ceadaoin. · 10-09-2019 4:47pm

batgoat wrote: »

It takes a lot to get banned from Twitter so I suspect you're misrepresenting what you said.

Yeah it takes a lot to get banned if you're in with the guys at the top apparently. Twitter is an absolute joke at this stage. How anyone can say with a straight face that they aren't biased I dont know. Jonathan/jessica yaniv is openly a pedophile, racist and harasser of women. Yet Twitter allows their account and their many sock puppets to stand and bans anyone who calls them out (mainly women). They banned a female gynecologist from using the offensive word "vagina" in the promotion of her book, but allow rape and death threats against women to continue unpunished. Oh and pedophiles openly discussing abuse and sharing images is also fine by them. Yeah, totally "on the right side of history" guys. Thumbs up for standing up to those bigots and fascists.

Sonics2k · 10-09-2019 4:49pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

The truth is that most liberals today support the hard left. They are happy to defend violent Antifa and whenever research shows that Twitter, YouTube or Google have behaved in an unfair way so that conservative views (not mere hate speech or views which could be reasonable considered abhorrent) are suppressed, they roll out the Terms of Service nonsense, as if it excuse their scurrilous behaviour. It doesn't.

Gonna need a source on that one buddy. You'd ask for the same if I claimed all people on the right or conservative also supported the far-right, such as the Klan.

edit: And speaking of Terms of Service. Do feel free to head on over to Voat or Stormfront and say what great people the Jews are. See how long you last there.

Danzy · 10-09-2019 4:51pm

super_furry wrote: »

Oh dear.

Milo did a David Norris on it and sunk his own ship, as Norris did his Presidential campaign

10-09-2019 4:56pm

super_furry wrote: »

Oh dear.

I know. It's almost as if when insulting someone or accusing someone of something, you should be accurate!!!

But sure why start now? Nazi means feck all, fascist means feck all, racist means feck all, might as well redefine paedophilia too!

Feck words! Fascist things

De-platforming fascists works

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