Dublin City is now ''Tap'' Central

Wtf ?

Tonight while walking between Westmorland St and Abbey St I was approached 7 times for loose change, Cigarettes, Use of my phone, Money for a hostel, money for coffee etc, I dont smoke while walking the streets anymore either, It's like a magnet. Tapping and sometimes agressive tapping is gone out of hand.

Kermit.de.frog

Problem is no Gardaí to move anyone on.

Yamanoto

Wtf ? wrote: »

Tapping and sometimes agressive tapping is gone out of hand.

Fcuking Bruce Forsyth, pest

greencap

7 fck offs so.

Wtf ?

greencap wrote: »

7 fck offs so.

Oh I did.

Ray Palmer

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Problem is no Gardaí to move anyone on.

The problem is that they no longer can move them on. Begging laws were challenged and found unconstitutional.

We would actually need a referendum to change that.

Hangover from how the brits used begging laws to imprison people and then send them to the colonies.

Kermit.de.frog

I do agree with the OP it is getting more annoying just walking from one side of the city center to the other on any given day. Guaranteed to be harassed (and it does verge on or cross harassment most times) multiple times by either chuggers, junkies or just the casual tracksuit wearer looking for a smoke or "bus fare" (always like that one given their free travel passes). Worse than it was even a year a go.

If it is the case they can't be moved on is it any wonder?

I do think more visible garda presence would help though regardless.

The lack of visible policing is the biggest problem with the city center particularly north side.

topper75

Ray Palmer wrote: »

The problem is that they no longer can move them on. Begging laws were challenged and found unconstitutional.

We would actually need a referendum to change that.

Hangover from how the brits used begging laws to imprison people and then send them to the colonies.

Don't worry - we'll never be consulted by FG on this. Only important issues like the min age of the symbolic figurehead will be put to us.

In the mean time "Ask me bollix" will have to suffice.

Edgware

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Problem is no Gardaí to move anyone on.

What good is moving them on from the Halpenny Bridge to Dame st or wherever?
It doesn't solve the problem

Kermit.de.frog

Edgware wrote: »

What good is moving them on from the Halpenny Bridge to Dame st or wherever?
It doesn't solve the problem

I don't see how more visible policing would make the problem worse.

Hobosan

This is why I always carry around a bundle of sticks. I tell the tappers we've gone back to the tally stick system and sure they're none the wiser. By the time they've realised the stick won't fit in the bus ticket dispenser I'm long gone.

Mr. CooL ICE

Not a problem for me. Then again, I have the appearance of somebody looking for spare change.

Thelonious Monk

Yeah it's not nice to see, but it shouldn't affect your life in any way. At least it's not you in this situation.

facehugger99

Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.

Spook_ie

Would you not just carry a Tap enabled bankcard and only have to deal with the ones who have Card Tap terminals?

Mysterypunter

Waterford holds this record, only 7 times, 20-30 a day in Waterford, loose change, a poor traveller who lost their caravan in a tragic fire. Sort a quid for a packet of fags, the dog ate my homework, I was cut off the dole coz I forgot to sign, I need money to visit a sick relative, and I'm 2 quid short for the bus.

Woke Hogan

greencap wrote: »

7 fck offs so.

Yeah right.

People love playing the hard man on here, then spend their days whinging about video games or TV programmes about cartoon dragons. Deluded.

BrokenArrows

Edgware wrote: »

What good is moving them on from the Halpenny Bridge to Dame st or wherever?
It doesn't solve the problem

It also doesn't make the problem worse.

If they go unchallenged then more and more people do it.
If they are constantly hassled by Gardai then it's a less attractive thing to do.

Ray Palmer

Mysterypunter wrote: »

Waterford holds this record, only 7 times, 20-30 a day in Waterford, loose change, a poor traveller who lost their caravan in a tragic fire. Sort a quid for a packet of fags, the dog ate my homework, I was cut off the dole coz I forgot to sign, I need money to visit a sick relative, and I'm 2 quid short for the bus.

Used to work by Busarus and anytime I went out for a smoke at least 3 people would ask for something every time I stepped outside. It is still like that for the people still working there. The stupid thing is you could tell the same person everyday no and they would still ask the next day.
The really annoying ones come up to you and act like they know you. Start asking how the family are and how you are doing. I started telling them that I luckily got my GBH charges dropped because the guy went missing. Strongly suggesting it was me and how much I hate liars. They leave pretty quickly after that.

weldoninhio

Spook_ie wrote: »

Would you not just carry a Tap enabled bankcard and only have to deal with the ones who have Card Tap terminals?

I was actually outside the Palace on Fleet Street the other week with a pint. Lad comes up to me and asks if I've any change. I said, "no I'm using my card I don't carry cash", quick as a flash he says "Ah, I can accept card" and goes to take something out of his pocket.

He must have seen the face on me because he cracked up laughing at me and said "only joking, cheers" and headed off.

D3V!L

I was out for lunch the other day near the IFSC and heard an awful splash in the Liffey behind me as I walked back to my office. You'd never believe it but it was the Loch Ness Monster. Said he was down on his luck and wanted to know if I could lend him some money. I cut him short and told him to get ta fuck.

I'm sure we're all sick of his shite at this stage. :mad:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Problem is no Gardaí to move anyone on.

Where you going to move them on to?

the beer revolu

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Where you going to move them on to?

It could be like the sparrows in China. Keep moving them on until they die of exhaustion!

The government also declared that "birds are public animals of capitalism".[2] As a result of this campaign, many sparrows died from exhaustion; citizens would bang pots and pans so that sparrows would not have the chance to rest on tree branches and would fall dead from the sky.

Samuel T. Cogley

FFS was hoping this was about cheap plumbing supplies.

Donnielighto

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Where you going to move them on to?

Begging should be prosecuteable unless you can prove you are destitute. Even then it's a soft answer.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Donnielighto wrote: »

Begging should be prosecuteable unless you can prove you are destitute. Even then it's a soft answer.

Doesn't answer the quesiton, unless you want to waste police and court time with it

Kermit.de.frog

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Doesn't answer the quesiton, unless you want to was police and court time with it

Other countries came up with an idea to tackle all sorts of behaviour in society - a properly resourced and manned police force and a justice system.

Imagine that.

InTheShadows

Horrible to see people begging and looking for change. Such a massive divide in our so called Republic

Lux23

I was on O'Connell Street last Friday and I saw some lads snorting white powder outside Carrolls while children looked on - it has gotten so seedy. Very disappointing. The whole place needs to be knocked down.

the beer revolu

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Other countries came up with an idea to tackle all sorts of behaviour in society - a properly resourced and manned police force and a justice system.

Imagine that.

How much extra tax would you be willing to pay for this to happen?

mirwillbeback

Add to the OP the Concern crew on at best minimum wage plus commission who make out they are the friendliest people you've ever met with their wide smiles and dramatic waves to get your attention. They are more aggressive than the lads sitting with a cup in their hand.

A bit like the strippers in the dodgy clubs.

Hotblack Desiato

BrokenArrows wrote: »

If they go unchallenged then more and more people do it.
If they are constantly hassled by Gardai then it's a less attractive thing to do.

Yeah and if fecking eejits people stopped giving them money it'd become a less attractive thing to do, too...

Kermit.de.frog

the beer revolu wrote: »

How much extra tax would you be willing to pay for this to happen?

So how do other countries do it then?

It's not about more taxes. Less wastage I would say.

the beer revolu

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

So how do other countries do it then?

It's not about more taxes. Less wastage I would say.

I assume they pay for it in taxes.

More police, more courts, more prison spaces.
Yeah, that'll all be free.

So you wouldn't be willing to pay any more tax?

Edgware

InTheShadows wrote: »

Horrible to see people begging and looking for change. Such a massive divide in our so called Republic

6% unemployment of which half are unemployable due to ill health etc the other half are freeloading scum

Wtf ?

Donnielighto wrote: »

Begging should be prosecuteable unless you can prove you are destitute. Even then it's a soft answer.

Would bending over and showing the Judge the arse out of your trousers suffice I wonder ?

facehugger99

Lux23 wrote: »

I was on O'Connell Street last Friday and I saw some lads snorting white powder outside Carrolls while children looked on - it has gotten so seedy. Very disappointing. The whole place needs to be knocked down.

Probably easier just to move the people on than rip up all the buildings.

Immortal Starlight

Walking up O Connell Street Monday morning and there was a black sleeping bag on the ground outside penny's with the unseen occupant shivering underneath. Then straight across the street there was a man going through the bin and taking open cups out and swallowing what remains were inside. How do people live like that.

Nermal

Edgware wrote: »

What good is moving them on from the Halpenny Bridge to Dame st or wherever?
It doesn't solve the problem

If you move them far enough, it does.

Ray Palmer

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

the beer revolu wrote: »

How much extra tax would you be willing to pay for this to happen?

So how do other countries do it then?

It's not about more taxes. Less wastage I would say.

It is in our constitution that you have the right to beg. The anti-begging laws we had were all removed after a court case proved this.
To change this we would need to have a referendum. We literally cannot do what other countries do.

conorhal

Ray Palmer wrote: »

It is in our constitution that you have the right to beg. The anti-begging laws we had were all removed after a court case proved this.
To change this we would need to have a referendum. We literally cannot do what other countries do.

Nope you don't.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/court-challenge-to-begging-law-succeeds-1.1292645

A section of the act was deemed unconstitutional, there would be no issue ammending the act to make begging an offence, it could also be dealt with under several public order acts but there is no will to do anything because resources would be required.

Visible policing is required on the streets. The guards have retreated to sitting on their arses behind CCTV monitoring stations, which is great for evidence after the fact, but more proactive policing to prevent street crime is badly needed.

greencap

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Yeah right.

People love playing the hard man on here, then spend their days whinging about video games or TV programmes about cartoon dragons. Deluded.

If you really think Im not willing and able to tell a skanger who tries some ridiculous 'borrow yer phone' scam to fck off, then you need to think again.

wakka12

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Problem is no Gardaí to move anyone on.

Move to where? Most of them live in the city centre

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Other countries came up with an idea to tackle all sorts of behaviour in society - a properly resourced and manned police force and a justice system.

Imagine that.

Doesn't even come close to answering the question.

dreamers75

Best of luck if you ever go to Liverpool


They are so polite but fcuk me if there was ever a war between our homeless junkies and theirs, they would slaughter us with sheer numbers.

And be polite about it.

dd973

Westmoreland St is a quare fish to say the least, the weird experiences and stuff I've seen there would make you think it built on some intersection of ley lines or something.

NoteAgent

Lux23 wrote: »

I was on O'Connell Street last Friday and I saw some lads snorting white powder outside Carrolls while children looked on - it has gotten so seedy. Very disappointing. The whole place needs to be knocked down.

They need to turn O' Connell St into some sort of Champs Elysses/ Monte Carlo/ Bond Street equivalent where you literally have to be well off to set foot down there. Get rid of Penneys and Carrolls and replace them with designer shops. Make all the pubs start charging 20eur for a pint. Put a few supercar dealerships in there for good measure. Before entering you have to show a statement that shows youre Net Worth. If its below a hundred grand youre told to **** off. Any junckie that tries to jump the fence is beaten to death with hammers. Should sort the homeless problem fairly quickly.
Just a suggestion...;)

Hotblack Desiato

We already have Grafton St, now all we need to have is a law which mandates that buskers are shot on sight

gmisk

I thought this thread was going to be about using the tap function to pay.

Actually thats probably the next phase of begging....
"spare a euro for a hostel?"
"I dont have any change sorry"
"No worries...I accept contactless...you can tap if its under 30 euro you are giving me"

nthclare

Lol I know a guy and he's well known on the traditional Irish music scene.

In his Gruff thick Clare accent he'll say
"Have you a lazy fiver and I'll work it for you ?"

No Pius sorry, ok have you a tenner he'll say...

A lazy fiver and I'll work it for you, gotta give it to him for being philosophical, funny and balsy

Cienciano

Headphones and pretend you can't hear solves a lot of this