Does your Job make the world a better place?

Akrasia

What do you do for a living, and is it doing something that genuinely improves the world, or is it something that ultimately doesn’t matter, or may actually make things worse.

Everything is entirely subjective but if you have an opinion it’s best to back it up with reasonable arguments.

Me personally, I work in a small software company that operates in a B2B environment where there are loads of similar competitors. I do my best to make the best possible product but if we disappeared tomorrow nobody would be any worse off. As a positive, we help the local rural economy and try to give back to the community...

Ubbquittious

Not really. I prevent some e-waste from becoming e-waste for a few more years. That is about the size of it

punisher5112

Yes I contribute to lowering global warming by carrying up to 124 people at any one time....

Vehicle returns around 5mpg but this is brilliant when you look at what single occupancy car gives....

AllForIt

No, but I do make the world a better place even if I do say so myself.

rizzodun

I work for a medical device company, who also produce products that are intravenously administered to seriously ill patients. So if we cannot produce, it's not unreasonable to say people may become critically ill, or worse.

Good to know I make a difference in some small way.

greencap

pretty much all jobs make the world a better place.

since someone was not content with a situation and so paid you to change the situation to something which would make them a little bit more content.

so after you've done your job there is one very slightly more content, though usually still ungrateful and moaning, person in the world.

also the money from the job makes you slightly content for a brief period which you also quickly forget about. so thats two slightly more contented people for a slight moment.

but without all the little jobs there'd be epic scale moaning going on.

my job doesn't really make any great difference to any one individual, im just a cog, but i don't really give a sht about the end customer anyway, its all about me from my point of view.

my boss could tell me that all the work i was doing all this time was secretly going into a big fire at the back of the building and that i'd helped not a soul in this world and i'd still just be thinking about my bank account.


collectively almost all jobs are important, the surgeon can't perform surgery if he/she is on the phone trying to source nails for the leaky roof in the hospital which is filthy cause theres no cleaners.

Kitty6277

I’m a waitress at the moment so I think my job really doesn’t matter at the end of the day. I mean yes, I can make someone’s evening more pleasant by being nice and doing as much as I can for them, but ultimately by the end of the evening when they’re gone home, it’ll all be forgotten.

paleoperson

greencap wrote: »

pretty much all jobs make the world a better place.

since someone was not content with a situation and so paid you to change the situation to something which would make them a little bit more content.

so after you've done your job there is one very slightly more content, though usually still ungrateful and moaning, person in the world.

also the money from the job makes you slightly content for a brief period which you also quickly forget about. so thats two slightly more contented people for a slight moment.

but without all the little jobs there'd be epic scale moaning going on.

my job doesn't really make any great difference to any one individual, im just a cog, but i don't really give a sht about the end customer anyway, its all about me from my point of view.

my boss could tell me that all the work i was doing all this time was secretly going into a big fire at the back of the building and that i'd helped not a soul in this world and i'd still just be thinking about my bank account.


collectively almost all jobs are important, the surgeon can't perform surgery if he/she is on the phone trying to source nails for the leaky roof in the hospital which is filthy cause theres no cleaners.

Totally false.

It's the exact opposite of that, many or most jobs are like digging a hole in the ground and filling it up again, plus carbon emissions, some of which are extremely huge.

Ubbquittious

greencap wrote: »

pretty much all jobs make the world a better place.

since someone was not content with a situation and so paid you to change the situation to something which would make them a little bit more content.

so after you've done your job there is one very slightly more content, though usually still ungrateful and moaning, person in the world.

also the money from the job makes you slightly content for a brief period which you also quickly forget about. so thats two slightly more contented people for a slight moment.

but without all the little jobs there'd be epic scale moaning going on.

my job doesn't really make any great difference to any one individual, im just a cog, but i don't really give a sht about the end customer anyway, its all about me from my point of view.

my boss could tell me that all the work i was doing all this time was secretly going into a big fire at the back of the building and that i'd helped not a soul in this world and i'd still just be thinking about my bank account.


collectively almost all jobs are important, the surgeon can't perform surgery if he/she is on the phone trying to source nails for the leaky roof in the hospital which is filthy cause theres no cleaners.

There are some jobs that only do a disservice to those around them. clampers, tele marketers, airport security, most of the insurance industry, those involved in persuading people to buy unnecessary disposable chinese tat


If you wiped out certain professions in the morning the world would only breathe a collective sigh of relief

Woodsie1

Yep...the world would grind to a halt if me and my colleagues around the world downed tools.

Yours regretfully,criminally underpaid hgv driver;)

KungPao

I believe so.

My girls are the cleanest in all this city.

greencap

paleoperson wrote: »

Totally false.

It's the exact opposite of that, many or most jobs are like digging a hole in the ground and filling it up again, plus carbon emissions, some of which are extremely huge.

Wrong.

If you're doing a banal job which doesn't do much in the way of making the world a better place, odds are you're still indirectly serving a greater function in society.

So if you're selling bulk paper from an office in slough, you're still a component in some other slightly more relevant enterprise.

Your paper might be used in the brochure for relaying essential information about a university course, or home designs.

Ultimately if your job title is a stable one then the market has decided that you make the world a better place.

greencap

Ubbquittious wrote: »

There are some jobs that only do a disservice to those around them. clampers, tele marketers, airport security, most of the insurance industry, those involved in persuading people to buy unnecessary disposable chinese tat


If you wiped out certain professions in the morning the world would only breathe a collective sigh of relief

pretty much all

almost all

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Always Tired

rizzodun wrote: »

I work for a medical device company, who also produce products that are intravenously administered to seriously ill patients. So if we cannot produce, it's not unreasonable to say people may become critically ill, or worse.

Good to know I make a difference in some small way.

I worked for a company like that (US based with multiple sites here in Ireland, managers were all Irish) They always talked up how patient centered they were meant to be.

Load of shïte. They had been sued for billions, for a litany of shady things such as hiding fatal side effects of their products, patent infringements, etc. They jacked up the prices of a product to the point people who needed it had to bankrupt themselves to pay for it.

They also liked to bang on about how they wanted employees to enjoy a good work life balance. That didnt seem to be true either. I was on a 30 day contract for them, through a recruitment agency. They paid the agency double what my hourly rate was, incurring the extra cost simply because this way I could not have any proper rights.

Was hired under the auspices of a 3-11 monday to Friday shift. after 2 weeks was told I had to go on 12 hour nights 8pm to 8 am, five in one week including fri sat sun every other week. ruined my health doing that schedule.

they also renewed the 30 day contract 11 times, but wouldn't tell you until the last few days of the month if you had a job for another 30 days.

after doing 10 months of these 12 hour nights they finally took us off them and went back to 8 hours... for 3 weeks. then told me I had to go back on the 12 hours again. didn't ask, told me. i said no and explained my physical and mental health was suffering from lack of sleep and lack of daylight. and they just didn't renew my contract.

this scared a few of the other lads (who all SAID they would refuse it too) and they said yes to going back onto 12 hrs. company cut them all loose a few months later too.

Pharma companies are the most corrupt gangsters in the world. There are loads of natural treatments banned in this country and in America due to them lobbying against them, simply because they can't be patented and because they might work better with less side effects than the chemical crap they peddle.

BeerWolf

I work at the airport, dealing with flights. So for those going on holidays, probably... though they'd remain ignorant to the amount of times I got to bust my ass off because of how often THEY **** up, wasting my time dealing with...

paleoperson

greencap wrote: »

Wrong.

If you're doing a banal job which doesn't do much in the way of making the world a better place, odds are you're still indirectly serving a greater function in society.

So if you're selling bulk paper from an office in slough, you're still a component in some other slightly more relevant enterprise.

Your paper might be used in the brochure for relaying essential information about a university course, or home designs.

Ultimately if your job title is a stable one then the market has decided that you make the world a better place.

And I'm telling you that's garbage.

Don't worry, I get what you're saying, we all do, we fully understand the idea behind your post. No need to worry about any of us not getting it.

Someone wants it done so it's a market force, the "invisible hand of the market" right? Put into practice in the real world without any oversight (and sometimes with oversight and regulations) it's a stupid idea and a wasteful, garbage allocation of resources.

It's amazing how a lot of hardcore capitalists/libertarians for some ridiculous reason get the impression that others don't understand that simple idea of the market. Like that they have to explain it to us. Yeah we get it, we ****ing get it, it's really a very simple thing.

If people are spending their whole lives building life size houses for Kardashian dogs only to be demolished soon afterwards (and if you add up all the working hours involved including in the manufacture of the materials it would certainly amount to entire lives), that's just a bloody waste of life and carbon emissions. It doesn't make the world a better place, it's a waste.

greencap

paleoperson wrote: »

And I'm telling you that's garbage.

Don't worry, I get what you're saying, we all do, we fully understand the idea behind your post. No need to worry about any of us not getting it.

Someone wants it done so it's a market force, the "invisible hand of the market" right? Put into practice in the real world without any oversight (and sometimes with oversight and regulations) it's a stupid idea and a wasteful, garbage allocation of resources.

It's amazing how a lot of hardcore capitalists/libertarians for some ridiculous reason get the impression that others don't understand that simple idea of the market. Like that they have to explain it to us. Yeah we get it, we ****ing get it, it's really a very simple thing.

If people are spending their whole lives building life size houses for Kardashian dogs only to be demolished soon afterwards (and if you add up all the working hours involved including in the manufacture of the materials it would certainly amount to entire lives), that's just a bloody waste of life and carbon emissions. It doesn't make the world a better place, it's a waste.

Yes, but who are you to say?

Or rather who is 'we'. Stop trying to sound like you've got the whole world on your side with your 'we all' 'any of us' laughable shyte. Its transparent and lame. You're not subtle.

The vast majority of jobs do indeed make the world a better place, since peoples needs and wants are satisfied by the work of the myriad of mediocre jobs.
Its the old 'for want of a nail' deal. Nothing good or world improving gets done without the minions doing all the unimportant stuff. If you're in a boring role you're still part of the process of making the world a better place. The invention doesn't manifest without the courier who brings the samples.

The population could live in perfectly ecologically mud huts eating small game, and composting the hemp covered corpses of their loved ones as a way to grow mushrooms to further save the planet, but they'd live in misery and thats not making the world a better place. Theres more than the purely physical to consider, 'the world' includes peoples experiences as well as the environment.

Ficheall

I proofread the grammar in mathematicians' research output. Jimmy Gauss writes "a equation" instead of "an equation", and I have to fix that. Anto Euclid, one of the very few readers, might notice, but he certainly wouldn't care.


More bothersomely, if a sentence is unclear, I have to spend ages trying to guess at a rewording, not having a clue what the material is about, whereas anyone who actually was reading it would probably instantly know what had been intended.


But worst of all is the stuff that only another copyeditor might possibly notice. Kerning, consistent list formatting, making sure the space between lines is equal... Things I would never have noticed, but have been trained to be bothered by.


The pointlessness of it all does my head in a little, but I am finding it impossible to give up the online work and the flexibility with hours

Rvsmmnps

No, not so much.
I work in mass tourism in a Scandinavian country, I'm starting to question its effects on the local area and people.
People employed on various ships are payed peanuts, locals are tired of the pollution from vessels, even some guides are worried about various nature trails being ruined by the sheer volume of people visiting.

Rave.ef

Yes and no.
Yes
I deliver bulk sugar to sweet factory, bread mills and breweries and distilleries
No
I deliver bulk plastic to manufacturing plans for the likes of milk bottles and plastic piping.

twignme

I’m ex military, so I guess it depends which side you are on to decide whether my job made the world a better place.

sonyvision

I doubt it. Work in Finance for a global insurance company, spend my days counting zeros, increasing shareholder wealth, counting losses, and drinking coffee.

I did have a job while I attended school 1 hour a day I would cycle to elderly people who were house bound with their prescription. Certain individuals I would always leave till my last run because I knew they were lonely and would have a cuppa for 15/20 minute
. I was 15/16 at the time.. I didn't create world peace, but for a few years I felt I was making a different to those people.

sjb25

I'm a paramedic so maybe not a better place but I help out a bit anyway

Foweva Awone

Earlier this year I was working in an addiction treatment centre. My main role was meeting and greeting our clients, some of whom were already on recovery programs, some who were on waiting lists trying to get onto a program, and some who were still in active addiction and just in for a needle exchange or whatever.

I like to think I made a difference by making sure that their visit was always a pleasant one - for some clients, the tea and biscuits and chat I had with them while waiting for their needle exchange may have been the only positive human interaction they had all week.

I'd also often end up sharing my own story of addiction and recovery with clients and/or with their family members, I like to think it often gave them some hope. I lost everything through my addiction and it took multiple attempts for me to get my life back; if anyone ever seemed to be a lost cause it was me. But I got there, and my life is really good now.

I was also able to give plenty of reassurance and information to anyone about to enter our residential treatment program - it's got a reputation for being very tough, I've done it myself so I was usually able to address any concerns anyone had.

I was doing that job as a CE scheme and, while I loved it, it wasn't financially viable to stay there forever. So I left it to return to my previous career - accountancy. Now I'm working in the finance department of a huge engineering company, and while the work is much more mentally challenging, I have to admit it feels like it matters a lot less in the grand scheme of things.

I still spend a few hours volunteering in my old role in the addiction centre when I can. Good to remember where I came from, and to give back to those who helped me when I was at my lowest point in my life.

Salary Negotiator

Middle management for a medical devices company with responsibility for pricing in Europe and a few other select markets.

The treatment certainly improves lives and often costs less and heals the patient quicker than alternatives but it’s my job to get as much money from cash strapped health services.

So yes but also no.

Akrasia

paleoperson wrote: »

And I'm telling you that's garbage.

Don't worry, I get what you're saying, we all do, we fully understand the idea behind your post. No need to worry about any of us not getting it.

Someone wants it done so it's a market force, the "invisible hand of the market" right? Put into practice in the real world without any oversight (and sometimes with oversight and regulations) it's a stupid idea and a wasteful, garbage allocation of resources.

It's amazing how a lot of hardcore capitalists/libertarians for some ridiculous reason get the impression that others don't understand that simple idea of the market. Like that they have to explain it to us. Yeah we get it, we ****ing get it, it's really a very simple thing.

If people are spending their whole lives building life size houses for Kardashian dogs only to be demolished soon afterwards (and if you add up all the working hours involved including in the manufacture of the materials it would certainly amount to entire lives), that's just a bloody waste of life and carbon emissions. It doesn't make the world a better place, it's a waste.

Well said.

Pineapple1

sonyvision wrote:

I did have a job while I attended school 1 hour a day I would cycle to elderly people who were house bound with their prescription. Certain individuals I would always leave till my last run because I knew they were lonely and would have a cuppa for 15/20 minute . I was 15/16 at the time.. I didn't create world peace, but for a few years I felt I was making a different to those people.

That sounds lovely. How does one land a job like that?

El Tarangu

Yes and no.

Yes - I do work for a large organisation, whose work does help people.

No - these improvements are probably difficult to quantify, and my direct input even more difficult again.

Some of the tasks I've done include having a load of brochures written, designed, translated and then printed and shipped all the way from eastern Europe, only to sit iina basement for 3 years, until someone eventually decided to have them pulped.

So yeah - yes and no.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

I like to think I did my bit to make the world better. I spent my life involved in wildlife and environmental protection in Ireland and around the world. It was, in many ways a losing battle but we had many successes and hopefully arrested rate of loss or decline.

Akrasia

I had a previous job working for an insurance company where I spent every day calling people up to tell them their PPI insurance claim had been denied.
If there is a definition of soul destroying work, this is close.

Then the job turned into processing claims for refunds from Mis-sold PPI dealing with greedy claims management companies trying to rip off consumers who were already ripped off by greedy banks selling ridiculously expensive insurance policies, often simply adding them to people’s accounts without telling them what they were or how much they cost.

The only good I could say I did, was when I ignored my bosses and told customers to not claim on their policies because there was a clause that said they would get a refund of the premium if they never claimed on it. We were ordered to not tell customers this, so some people put in claims worth a few hundred pounds that ended up costing them 20k in an insurance refund

FTA69

I work as a trade union organiser, organising low paid workers to take strike action against outsourcing companies for a living wage. If you ask the workers they'll think I am, if you ask the bosses they'd probably say no.

sonyvision

Pineapple1 wrote: »

That sounds lovely. How does one land a job like that?

A local chemist advertised a delivery job in the window 1 hr a day. My nan said she had a grandon who was 15 and I went in. I used to help stock some shelves and would go around with the boss in his jeep dropping the prescriptions to the door.

I was always told refer to the customers by last name only, Mrs O shea, Power etc. After a few months it was Mary, Joanne, Paddy. I knew there life story, there troubles and just how cruel life had been to some.

I remember one woman who was always my last stop ones a week where she would ask me to pick up some milk biscuits etc. It wasn't uncommon for me to spend one hour there!! While my friends where out drinking underage, my biggest worry was not having certain individuals prescriptions to deliever... it ment one of three things, family picked it up, there in hospital, or they have died...

I did this for over 2 years, it paid me 5 euro an hour so 30 a week... till i finished up I was getting 60 euro wasn't alot of money but got me through school, credit for my phone, few games of pool and maybe Cinema odd weekend.

BDI

I have a trade. I could work in two separate trades and nobody would notice I’m not qualified in one of them. I could monkey in on a third one and only qualified people would notice I’m guessing or needing advice.

If I jacked it in tomorrow somebody else would take over. My boss would probably lose a few quid retraining somebody. Whether they tale as much pride in their work as me is questionable.

Probably better off if we as humans didn’t need new offices or shopping centers etc but the system is set up that the kids don’t eat unless we drag all the resources out of the ground and use them up before future generations get them.

You probably think your job makes the world a better place but buy a pile of **** with the wages that wrecks the place or rapes the land.

Anyway yeah some office worker gets to work in a temperature controlled environment because of me.

holliehobbie

Not since I left the nursing profession over 20 years ago!

Skylinehead

Ubbquittious wrote: »

There are some jobs that only do a disservice to those around them. clampers, tele marketers, airport security, most of the insurance industry, those involved in persuading people to buy unnecessary disposable chinese tat


If you wiped out certain professions in the morning the world would only breathe a collective sigh of relief

Remove clampers and people will park where they want, causing other people misery.

Remove airport security and oh no your plane has exploded.

Pretty poor examples. They may not be nice, but you really want them gone?

Say my name

I work as a land, soil, water, plant and animal manager whose income is from a large multinational company that pay for my produce.

The produce price is no relation to how I manage the land, soil, water, plants and animals bar the quantities produced.

Still, I manage the land, soil and water as sympathetically as possible just to give me some satisfaction that I'm doing my part for the natural fauna.
I've had Dor dung beetles on the land these past few years which is giving me immense pride. I also have hedgehogs that trundle around.

I'm currently trimming back an overgrown ditch with a view to using the biomass to make biochar. Biochar is a stable carbon that can last for a thousand years without degrading back to the atmosphere. So though it's a small amount of carbon it'll be a bit less carbon taken out of the natural cycle and stored away for those thousand years.

greencap

Skylinehead wrote: »

Remove clampers and people will park where they want, causing other people misery.

Remove airport security and oh no your plane has exploded.

Pretty poor examples. They may not be nice, but you really want them gone?

well said

Conor Bourke

Palliative care nurse.

I try.

BDI

Cornelius Crow wrote: »

Palliative care nurse.

I try.

Can I ask how comfortable are you with the thoughts of your own death?

Conor Bourke

BDI wrote: »

Can I ask how comfortable are you with the thoughts of your own death?

Hard to say. In theory I like to think/Hope I’d be as gracious and accepting as possible but that’s all well and good in the abstract, I wonder if I’d feel differently if it was in the situation for real. I’m not scared anyway.

FTA69

FTA69 wrote: »

I work as a trade union organiser, organising low paid workers to take strike action against outsourcing companies for a living wage. If you ask the workers they'll think I am, if you ask the bosses they'd probably say no.

Do you also seek out the most expensive products you can buy ... you know to ensure those people have jobs as well? Instead of going for the cheapest option for you?

fmpisces

Akrasia wrote: »

What do you do for a living, and is it doing something that genuinely improves the world, or is it something that ultimately doesn’t matter, or may actually make things worse.

Everything is entirely subjective but if you have an opinion it’s best to back it up with reasonable arguments.

Me personally, I work in a small software company that operates in a B2B environment where there are loads of similar competitors. I do my best to make the best possible product but if we disappeared tomorrow nobody would be any worse off. As a positive, we help the local rural economy and try to give back to the community...

I'm a Special Needs Assistant......so I wouldn't say that what I do is improving the world as a whole but I'd certainly like to think that I, and every other person in this job, makes a difference in each of the childrens' lives that we work very closely with (and ultimately that of their families). I work with children who have a variety of special educational needs, physical and intellectual for the most part. So to me, being part of a team that helps a child who is non verbal become better able to communicate (whether that's by using Làmh signs, a picture, one word or taking my hand to show me something) is a HUGE step in improving their life.
If our school was no longer in operation in the morning it would be a massive loss to our community. Each year our school has grown in numbers, it'd be a very sad day to think that the children who need this wouldn't be able to avail of it.

BDI

fmpisces wrote: »

I'm a Special Needs Assistant......so I wouldn't say that what I do is improving the world as a whole but I'd certainly like to think that I, and every other person in this job, makes a difference in each of the childrens' lives that we work very closely with (and ultimately that of their families). I work with children who have a variety of special educational needs, physical and intellectual for the most part. So to me, being part of a team that helps a child who is non verbal become better able to communicate (whether that's by using Làmh signs, a picture, one word or taking my hand to show me something) is a HUGE step in improving their life.
If our school was no longer in operation in the morning it would be a massive loss to our community. Each year our school has grown in numbers, it'd be a very sad day to think that the children who need this wouldn't be able to avail of it.

Fair play to you.

fmpisces

BDI wrote: »

Fair play to you.

Thank you
But it's easy when you love the job

Notmything

Work in mainstream child residential services.

At first I thought I was helping improve the lives of kids who were abused/neglected/at risk living at home. Giving them a chance at feeling looked after and cared about.

Now it feels like we are just threading water withthem until they turn 18 and then the state turns it's back on them, often, literally making them homeless on their 18th birthday. System is fcuked

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Sitting on my hoop all day reading books and articles and watching films interspersed with some very light housework? Nah.

Corruptedmorals

Eh slightly. I work in an outpatients/consultant appointments. The treatment they get is brilliant if we only had more doctors to see more and cut the waiting lists. I make appointments, help to spot clinics that are under booked and do my best to fit in patients who urgently need to be seen. We are constantly fighting for more resources so we can hold more clinics and for more admin hours as I am the only admin so I can fill each cancellation with another patient but they don't have the budget for it so there's only so much we can do. With a huge amount of effort...all we can do is hold the non-urgent waiting list steady instead of increasing. So some good but ugh what we could do with more resources would be genuinely great.

BDI

Corruptedmorals wrote: »

Eh slightly. I work in an outpatients/consultant appointments. The treatment they get is brilliant if we only had more doctors to see more and cut the waiting lists. I make appointments, help to spot clinics that are under booked and do my best to fit in patients who urgently need to be seen. We are constantly fighting for more resources so we can hold more clinics and for more admin hours as I am the only admin so I can fill each cancellation with another patient but they don't have the budget for it so there's only so much we can do. With a huge amount of effort...all we can do is hold the non-urgent waiting list steady instead of increasing. So some good but ugh what we could do with more resources would be genuinely great.

Probably payrises

Rubberchikken

while what i do is maybe easily done by someone else, because i do it to a very high standard, its not easy to get others to do it.

its also necessary and vital to the health industry.
i really like doing it. its not for everyone but thats their loss:)

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Ubbquittious wrote: »

There are some jobs that only do a disservice to those around them. clampers, tele marketers, airport security, most of the insurance industry, those involved in persuading people to buy unnecessary disposable chinese tat


If you wiped out certain professions in the morning the world would only breathe a collective sigh of relief

I’m grateful for airport security, personally. It’s a pain to deal with but necessary. I think it needs to be as stringent as it is.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Always Tired wrote: »

I worked for a company like that (US based with multiple sites here in Ireland, managers were all Irish) They always talked up how patient centered they were meant to be.

Load of shïte. They had been sued for billions, for a litany of shady things such as hiding fatal side effects of their products, patent infringements, etc. They jacked up the prices of a product to the point people who needed it had to bankrupt themselves to pay for it.

They also liked to bang on about how they wanted employees to enjoy a good work life balance. That didnt seem to be true either. I was on a 30 day contract for them, through a recruitment agency. They paid the agency double what my hourly rate was, incurring the extra cost simply because this way I could not have any proper rights.

Was hired under the auspices of a 3-11 monday to Friday shift. after 2 weeks was told I had to go on 12 hour nights 8pm to 8 am, five in one week including fri sat sun every other week. ruined my health doing that schedule.

they also renewed the 30 day contract 11 times, but wouldn't tell you until the last few days of the month if you had a job for another 30 days.

after doing 10 months of these 12 hour nights they finally took us off them and went back to 8 hours... for 3 weeks. then told me I had to go back on the 12 hours again. didn't ask, told me. i said no and explained my physical and mental health was suffering from lack of sleep and lack of daylight. and they just didn't renew my contract.

this scared a few of the other lads (who all SAID they would refuse it too) and they said yes to going back onto 12 hrs. company cut them all loose a few months later too.

Pharma companies are the most corrupt gangsters in the world. There are loads of natural treatments banned in this country and in America due to them lobbying against them, simply because they can't be patented and because they might work better with less side effects than the chemical crap they peddle.

You have my sympathies for the rest of the stuff but this... nah. I’ve also worked in pharma, by the way and know some of the shit that goes on. Natural treatments can have side effects too. Sometimes they simply can’t be avoided. As for working as well or better, probably not. I’m willing to bet you don’t know the names of any of these supposed wonder treatments or what their mechanism of action is. The products made by pharmaceutical companies have been through incredibly stringent testing. Can you say the same for natural remedies?

And finally, maybe there’s some magic bullet arsenal of natural treatments hidden from the public (doubtful) but any natural treatments I *have* read about do not cure the illnesses they claim they do. And the people who sell these products are money-grabbers too, often charging eye-watering prices. Let’s not pretend they give a crap about patients any more than pharmaceutical companies do.