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Machinery Photo/Discussion Thread II



  • Registered Users Posts: 792 ✭✭✭ farmingquestion

    Is buying abroad a good option?

    Are tractors cheaper? I see a lad on donedeal, seems to be a private seller who brings in tractors from abroad and sells them here.

    What about taxes? Viewing etc?

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,360 ✭✭✭✭ Bass Reeves

    There is another issue. Demand. The busiest period for silage is about the third week in May the second week in June. After that it slows down and never leaks again. Some summer dairy men will take second cut as bales. Therefore this gives more bargaining power to lads doing a large second cut that balances the strength of the large dairy man earlier in the year.

    Most small and mid sized beef men have moved from pit to bale. You just have more control over quality. Traditionally these guys picked up the slack period from June on especially form mid June to start of the early second cut lads. But the contractors fleeced them and wanted to cut in the morning and be putting it in the pit by midday, it did not matter if the sun was splitting the rocks or it was snowing the contractor was putting it in the pit. Saw it many times in the FIL's place.

    Now larger dairy men need to realise if they want put silage they will have to pay more for it. There is too many of them wanting it in a small window and that window shrinks depending on weather

    If I was a contractor doing put silage I would be charging a 20-30/ acre premium for peak cutting season.

    Never had a problem carrying bales over the winter. Quality might drop slightly but on the other hand I have seen a foot of waste at the front of pits. Another factor is even using a a shear grab unless you are getting a cross the face of a pit in a week you are losing quality

    Everything about bales is handling and managing them. I was surprised by what lads said about the soft hand handlers however it makes sense. See up our way a good few lads have the elephant trunk ones but it's a hydraulic roller we use for stacking a bit slow but you get used to it.

    For the smaller or mid sized operator bales beat put by a mile in both cost, quality, flexibility and management.

    Slava Ukrainii

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭ DBK1

    I used bales that were 3 years old last winter and not a bother on them, as good as they were the first winter. Only 4 layers of plastic but stacked with a roller handler 3 rows high. There was a tiny bit of waste along the edges of the outer bales but nothing worth talking about. I didn’t sample the silage but at a guess it was probably low 30’s in dm. The bottom bales were gone diamond shaped from the weight of the top rows and I love to see that because the bales have all bedded into one another then and it’s as good as a pit.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭ Gillespy

    Go four high here and would love more reach to go another bale at least. Less bales exposed to crows and cats the better and any pinholes are sealed as they settle into each other. Take up less yard too.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,543 ✭✭✭ roosterman71

    Is there not some rules around stack height? I thought 3 was the max ya can go

    Recommendation there is 3 high. Don't know if it's legislated for. Would be interesting if there was an accident and a subsequent claim would insurance cover it if the stack was more than 3 high and not built securly with chocks and whatnot

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,360 ✭✭✭✭ Bass Reeves

    What would you need clocks for. When you stack on the side the bales flatten. They will not roll. I cannot go any higher than three rows and even if I could get them stacked higher than that. You have to get them back down. It often not height that will catch you as much as reach as the fourth along with being high will be well back from bottom bale. Would. E a huge advantage from a preservation point of view.

    Slava Ukrainii

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭ Gillespy

    Seems completely arbitrary from a safety standpoint the difference between three and four bales high, once you have the appropriate for each. For us the same loader puts them up that takes them down so no problem at all.

  • Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭ dohc turbo2

    For bord bia anyway it's two high unless u on concrete

  • Registered Users Posts: 449 ✭✭ Milton09

  • Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭ minerleague

    Wasn't there some strange rule that if bales were on concrete they could only be 2 high but in a field or stone you could go higher for bord bia.

    On the pit silage I'd say many like me who do all bales would consider a pit again if charges were based on yield and distance, plus a lot would be doing silage later on in june meaning contractor would end up with work between may first cuts and july/august 2nd cuts.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭ dohc turbo2

    Wouldn't be too well up on it only my last inspection , Ur lad said it to me about being stacked 3 high in the yard , he walked around the bales and said there nothing coming out of them as I ted the silage but said to me only 2 high off concrete, I said give me a check and I'll concrete my whole yard for ye 😂

  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 2,492 Mod ✭✭✭✭ K.G.

    Just see theres an auction of maguire contracts coming up soon and in the last few months i am aware of 2 more auctions one near ballycotton and another in limerick.just wondering are there many more gone out of it lately,you dont have to name names just the general area they were in.

  • Registered Users Posts: 24,054 ✭✭✭✭ Reggie.

    Think there might be abit of a tightening up of silage making around them areas. Big outfits like them disappearing will be felt

  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭ French Toast

    In fairness there's talks every spring about who's getting out, who's pulling back, who's selling up. Yet every year the work gets done.

    Maybe the contracting landscape is changing. I always thought it would go that small lads are getting out, big lads getting bigger but that may not be the case.

  • Registered Users Posts: 928 ✭✭✭ ginger22

    Bales are taking over, especially by the smaller lads and later cuts as well.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭ kevthegaff

    I haven't cleaned out the troughs since I started feeding from the pit. Always waste from bales even tho coming from nice paddocks.

    Second point cant understand The big M, it's only used for 3 weeks. At least with a tractor and butterfly, u have it for the other 50 weeks of the year. One of my contractors brings in an extra tractor from a farmer for long draws which is a good idea also. Loader is from a farmer/contractor too, seems to work well as loader man feeds alot of cows and cattle.

  • Registered Users Posts: 16,590 ✭✭✭✭ Donald Trump

    We stack 5 high. The plastic manufacturers say max of 3 high I think but we've never had any issues. Well 4 high when we draw ourselves but we get a contractor in for most of the first cut for helping with the drawing and he has a handler that throws them up 5 high. Need it space-wise

  • Registered Users Posts: 16,590 ✭✭✭✭ Donald Trump

    I used bales that were 3 years old last winter and not a bother on them, as good as they were the first winter.

    They probably look fine but you'd likely notice it in the tank fairly quickly if you were feeding them to cows

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,897 ✭✭✭ bogman_bass

    If you go more than 3 high you need an effluent tank then

  • Registered Users Posts: 16,590 ✭✭✭✭ Donald Trump

    Very little run off if baled dry and well wilted.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 792 ✭✭✭ farmingquestion

    What are claas tractors like?

    Good rep?

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,846 ✭✭✭ davidk1394

    It depends on the year and model. They all have their flaws. The electronics in the axion models up to 2014/2015 were brutal. The basic arion ranges are fairly decent.

  • Registered Users Posts: 916 ✭✭✭ weatherbyfoxer

    Brutal to loose money anyway. I was offered a demo model 510 with loader for 85k+vat was less than a year old,..when it was sold I priced the exact same model/spec brand new was 125k+vat,..Also it was 25k more the same model massey and new holland,..was same price as a new deere

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭ tractorporn

    Possibly the wrong thread but are second hand Navara's a no go area? Does the chassis go at the back of the cab on them all eventually or is at 08 one worth a punt?

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭ have2flushtwice

    I've a navara 2003. It's a d22 model. No issues with the chassis here and I'd pull sand twice a week, or more.

    The newer one is the d40, which would cover 08, are the ones that give trouble. There are either drain holes in the chassis above the axle that get blocked with crap/ no holes at all, can't remember which. Anyways the chassis rail gets filled with water and rots from the inside out.

    Look where the lowest point in the rail is, and above the mounts.

    I'd like to change up a few years, but for the prices of jeeps at the moment, I'm prob better off staying put.

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭ funkey_monkey

    Should they not all now have the bracing plate welded on behind the cab by now and whatever other remedial work was needed done?

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭ have2flushtwice

    I think it had to be put in by a certain date, after that nissan didn't want to know about it. Lots of places in the uk putting them in and providing an engineers report which Is compatible with their doe system.

    Don't know of anyone here doing it.

  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Albert Johnson

    I'd steer clear tbh as that age bracket seemed to be the most troublesome imo. Prior to the bodyshape changing around 05/06 the navara seemed a good reliable jeep and there's a good few of the early 2000's models still in everyday service locally. However the list of issues with the newer version was substantial and done mortal damage to Nissan's reputation for commercial vehicles for years.

    There's a few of the new bodyshape (circa 2018) appearing locally. Most of them would have been UK imports and I'm told there was a big marketing push in the UK with finance deals ect for the Navara in recent years. A lot of lad's wouldn't take a present of one in this country even though there probably the most comfortable pickup I've ever sat in. I'd stay away from any Navara prior to the mid part of the last decade and even then you'd want you're eye's open before doing a deal.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭ tractorporn

    Thanks for all the replies, you've all said the same thing as I was thinking myself. Don't buy problems, second hand jeeps have just gone mad dear and the clutch is going on our Sorento. Looks like I will just have to get it fixed.