The Brits

Sunny Disposition

Spent a lot of time over there as a young fella, saved a lot of money, the country was very good to me. As a result I have a a soft spot for them now, but people here are turning against them in a big way, seems like latent hatred due to partition etc to me. Any ideas on how we can rebuild relations? They really are for the most part very nice people.

ILoveYourVibes

Any ideas on how we can rebuild relations?

Not through our governments. Build relations outside of the two governments.

dd973

No such nation as 'The Brits', only English, Scottish and Welsh people and the other nationalities resident on the island of Britain.

The Brits are Whitehall, Westminster, MI5, MI6, the Monarchy and their toadies.

Sunny Disposition

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Spent a lot of time over there as a young fella, saved a lot of money, the country was very good to me. As a result I have a a soft spot for them now, but people here are turning against them in a big way, seems like latent hatred due to partition etc to me. Any ideas on how we can rebuild relations? They really are for the most part very nice people.

Rebuild relations? I’m as far from a ‘fleg burner’ as you’ll find, but international relations should only be reconciliatory once the aggressor backs down. Flexing by that wigged testicle of a PM they’re lumped with over the backstop should elicit an effective opposition response from the British public or they’re as good as condoning subsequent violence up north.

You want to make up with the rapist who still has an inch inside your sister, basically. Feck that. Sitting on the fence and trying to be nice to everyone while they stick it to you and your family is pure stupidity or wilful ignorance at this stage.

They need to understand they’ve shït the bed they must now lay down in. Which is fairly typical, isn’t it?

careless sherpa

The British are a belligerent and hostile country. The sooner they no longer have any presence on this island the better. Their interferencewith the affairs of this island has always been toxic

Woodsie1

Any Irishman who fought for them in WW2 was extremely well looked after if they were lucky enough to return home.
Army pension still being paid out to spouses whos husbands died nearly 30 years ago after serving in the British army,the Irish army stopped the payment soon after the ex soldiers death.
Pensions continue to be paid to the youngest dependant even after spouse has died.

Thelonious Monk

Didn’t realise I was on /r/ireland

ILoveYourVibes

JayZeus wrote: »

You want to make up with the rapist who still has an inch inside your sister, basically. Feck that. Sitting on the fence and trying to be nice to everyone while they stick it to you and your family is pure stupidity or wilful ignorance at this stage.

Really?

Wompa1

Once Brexit doesn't go ahead and they figure out they got bamboozled and right the ship over there. Things might improve.

ILoveYourVibes

Wompa1 wrote: »

Once Brexit doesn't go ahead and they figure out they got bamboozled and right the ship over there. Things might improve.

They won't brexit will happen. Then they will want to rejoin in about 15 yrs.

After brexit this generation of politicians will be outed. All of them both sides. Corbyn too.

Fionn1952

Theres a huge fundamental difference between having a problem with the British establishment and having a problem with the people of Britain. I'd vouch that very few fall into the latter group. They're just normal people like the rest of us.

Fionn1952

Fionn1952 wrote: »

Theres a huge fundamental difference between having a problem with the British establishment and having a problem with the people of Britain. I'd vouch that very few fall into the latter group. They're just normal people like the rest of us.

Agreed, mostly.

Even if their returning electorate at the referendum was collectively stupid, lazy and selfish enough to vote to leave the EU, I don’t hold the individuals responsible, yet.

If peace is lost in the north as a result of action, or inaction on the part of the individual citizen, that changes dramatically.

I have immediate’ British family members, decent people. I’ll put them in the same boat, gladly.

Raconteuse

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Spent a lot of time over there as a young fella, saved a lot of money, the country was very good to me. As a result I have a a soft spot for them now, but people here are turning against them in a big way, seems like latent hatred due to partition etc to me. Any ideas on how we can rebuild relations? They really are for the most part very nice people.

Most people here actually don't have an irrational hatred of British people.

Junkyard Tom

Fionn1952 wrote: »

Theres a huge fundamental difference between having a problem with the British establishment and having a problem with the people of Britain. I'd vouch that very few fall into the latter group. They're just normal people like the rest of us.

The crypto-unionist bootlickers seem to have difficulty distinguishing between the two. They'll be here shortly.

Fathom

Liked visiting southern England. But would not want to live there. Alternatively, Galway in Ireland draws me. Like the feel of the city. May apply to NUIG for grad.

Dave_The_Sheep

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Any Irishman who fought for them in WW2 was extremely well looked after if they were lucky enough to return home.
Army pension still being paid out to spouses whos husbands died nearly 30 years ago after serving in the British army,the Irish army stopped the payment soon after the ex soldiers death.
Pensions continue to be paid to the youngest dependant even after spouse has died.

My grandmother was a service member for a few years in the RAF (radar girl) during WW2. She refused the pension because she felt she wasn't deserving of it, because she left while on leave (she felt she deserted, which I suppose she did) but they were willing to give it to her all the same. My opinion of her and the British government increased based on that.

Dnomder

I Dont get the arguement that they paid their Irish soldiers better than Ireland paid theirs, thus they are good guys thing..
Sure they same army looked after the pensions of many a soldier to occupy this country along with all the atrocities they commited throughout the years.
The Brits have always driven many parts of its dominion areas to such poverty that joining the army is the only viable option to put food on the table and get am education....still happens today.
So no, I dont think they're the good guys for decent pay fotr their soldiers families, but do not doubt convenience of the recept of such payments.

Most of my friends are from GB. Lovely people. Don't give a crap about NI or violence there, though. Unfortunate that they don't understand it's their own citizenry in their own country.

Woodsie1

sugarman wrote: »

Im not sure what you're getting at? It wasnt exclusive to Irishmen, everyone that signed up got the same benefits. They werent specifically looking out for the Irish.

Our own army was still in its infancy having only been established a few years earlier when gained independence. We barely had a penny, of course we couldn't offer the same benefits as one the wealthiest and most powerful empires of the time.

My point is that the Brits looked after the people who worked for them and have gone above and beyond compensating them for their service.
My granda is dead 27 years,my nana still gets paid by the Brits for his service(all 5yrs of it)...shes 97 years old...her handicapped son(my uncle) will take over the reciept of payment when she dies.

In 1992 the Irish stopped the payments,only last month my nana got a letter from the Brits saying payments are unaffected by anything to do with Brexit.

They looked after a lot of Irish people and still are even when our own government decided we werent important enough to support.

Sounds like a waste of money paying out that long. But this thread is about British people. Not veteran pensions.

Woodsie1

Deleted User wrote: »

Sounds like a waste of money paying out that long. But this thread is about British people. Not veteran pensions.

Well me and my family dont complain about what the Brits have done for us.

Theyve done a lot of horrible horrible stuff to us as a country but individually, to me at least,theyve looked after people whove worked for them.
Theyve shown more compassion to us than our own government.
If it wasnt for the Brits my nana wouldnt have had the money to support a handicapped adult all the way into his 40's and they will still support him until he dies.

Pity our own government couldnt step up to the plate,seeing as my granda served more years in the Irish Army than the British army

bilbot79

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Any Irishman who fought for them in WW2 was extremely well looked after if they were lucky enough to return home.
Army pension still being paid out to spouses whos husbands died nearly 30 years ago after serving in the British army,the Irish army stopped the payment soon after the ex soldiers death.
Pensions continue to be paid to the youngest dependant even after spouse has died.

They can afford thiso following centuries of colonial taxes to build their email on my and population. It doesn't all come down to goodwill

Woodsie1

bilbot79 wrote: »

They can afford thiso following centuries of colonial taxes to build their email on my and population. It doesn't all come down to goodwill

They didnt have to keep on doing it but they did.
If you want to be poor because others are poor that not my problem
Point is the Brits have been not as bad to us as everyone makes out

doughef

Shi* show of a nation.

Scots?? .. don’t make me laugh.
Had their chance to prove how anti English they were and voted to remain part of the empire.

Wales ??
Is that even a country?
Honestly ....on most maps it’s not even highlighted.

Norn Iron?
Keep them..
Who can afford such a horrible / government grant given crowd of horrible c*nts?

As for the unionists / prods?
The brits would only be too happy to give us a United Ireland .
Imagine we got left with those horrible b*astards??
It would be like all your worst cousins coming to live with you forever ...- and they were given all your pocket money !!!

.. separately
I note it’s 40 years yesterday since old Louis went sailing in Mullaghmore ...

simongurnick

doughef wrote: »

Shi* show of a nation.

Scots?? .. don’t make me laugh.
Had their chance to prove how anti English they were and voted to remain part of the empire.

Wales ??
Is that even a country?
Honestly ....on most maps it’s not even highlighted.

Norn Iron?
Keep them..
Who can afford such a horrible / government grant given crowd of horrible c*nts?

As for the unionists / prods?
The brits would only be too happy to give us a United Ireland .
Imagine we got left with those horrible b*astards??
It would be like all your worst cousins coming to live with you forever ...- and they were given all your pocket money !!!

.. separately
I note it’s 40 years yesterday since old Louis went sailing in Mullaghmore ...

I have no respect for the welsh. Can't understand how they wouldn't want their own sovereignty. Spineless bastrds

whisky_galore

The national obsession with the British continues.

careless sherpa

whisky_galore wrote: »

The national obsession with the British continues.

It might be fresh in people's minds seeing as they are on the verge of wreaking havoc on this country yet again

corner of hells

whisky_galore wrote: »

The national obsession with the British continues.

Thread'll lead nicely into the Poppy rant shortly.

_Brian

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Any Irishman who fought for them in WW2 was extremely well looked after if they were lucky enough to return home.
Army pension still being paid out to spouses whos husbands died nearly 30 years ago after serving in the British army,the Irish army stopped the payment soon after the ex soldiers death.
Pensions continue to be paid to the youngest dependant even after spouse has died.

So if your willing to die for them they are ok to you.
Otherwise they’ve treated Ireland and Irish people horrifically for hundreds of years.

Says allot about a nation when their only decency is towards soldiers and ex soldiers.

Scythica

I've lived in SW England since roughly 2009 (including going to Uni).

I find it a mishmash, most people are pretty sound really, albeit there is a severe lack of education when it comes to Norn Iron / Troubles / Irish history in general. This can lead to some vaguely racist remarks (and of course, the "potatooooo" and paddy slandering). However, the majority mainly do this more out of the lack of education and ignorance towards the subject, and after discussing further details with them they tend to stop.

Every country has it's share of knobs however, and Brexit certainly has revealed some people's true colours, but the vast majority are just interested in w/e will suit themselves and their families.

InTheShadows

Fionn1952 wrote: »

Theres a huge fundamental difference between having a problem with the British establishment and having a problem with the people of Britain. I'd vouch that very few fall into the latter group. They're just normal people like the rest of us.

I don't know about that tbh. We'd posters on this very site last night calling ordinary people from the north of England scum for voting in favour of Brexit.

Huntergonzo

Go to most pubs in Ireland (well in Dublin certainly) when there's a United or Liverpool game on and you'll see great love for 2 very British, infact English institutions.

Curiously go to those same pubs when the England national football team is playing and you'll see a completely different scene, those same premierleague fans will be baying for the England team's blood.

We're a funny aul people us Irish.

whisky_galore

_Brian wrote: »

Says allot about a nation when their only decency is towards soldiers and ex soldiers.

What does it say about a nation when it treats their own soldiers like dirt, pays them peanuts and forces them to sleep in their cars?

whisky_galore

careless sherpa wrote: »

It might be fresh in people's minds seeing as they are on the verge of wreaking havoc on this country yet again

No shortage of Brexit devoted threads where people can knock themselves out.

Oh Jesus no, it's omnipresent, at least a thread a month, Brexit or no Brexit. We will be in Poppy season soon enough.
What do they think of us, what do we think of them, on and fcuking on, insecure sickening navel gazing.

Wompa1

I've been a little disappointed in some of my English friends for their views that have been exposed during this whole Brexit thing. Two of them have come out with some very anti-Irish statements and just in general the lack of knowledge of their own history and ours has been concerning.

careless sherpa

whisky_galore wrote: »

No shortage of Brexit devoted threads where people can knock themselves out.

Oh Jesus no, it's omnipresent, at least a thread a month, Brexit or no Brexit. We will be in Poppy season soon enough.
What do they think of us, what do we think of them, on and fcuking on, insecure sickening navel gazing.

So you think Brexit shouldn't be mentioned at the moment on a thread titled the Brits, when it is an event that could possibly shape them for decades... Ok

Most English are decent people in my experience. No better or worse than we are.

Edgware

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Most English are decent people in my experience. No better or worse than we are.

I agree. When doing work with them they will do as promised unlike a lot of my countrymen who will promise delivery dates, completion dates with no intention of honouring them

corner of hells

doughef wrote: »

Shi* show of a nation.

Scots?? .. don’t make me laugh.
Had their chance to prove how anti English they were and voted to remain part of the empire.



Wales ??
Is that even a country?
Honestly ....on most maps it’s not even highlighted.

Norn Iron?
Keep them..
Who can afford such a horrible / government grant given crowd of horrible c*nts?

As for the unionists / prods?
The brits would only be too happy to give us a United Ireland .
Imagine we got left with those horrible b*astards??
It would be like all your worst cousins coming to live with you forever ...- and they were given all your pocket money !!!

.. separately
I note it’s 40 years yesterday since old Louis went sailing in Mullaghmore ...

Scotland had a referendum, democracy in action.Just like us with referendums.

Yup, Wales is a country , pop. of 3 million or so.

Not all Protestants are Unionists.
As for horrible bastards , my father is descended from Northern Irish Protestants.

And what an add on at the end , an atrocity where kids were killed.

Greyfox

_Brian wrote: »

Otherwise they’ve treated Ireland and Irish people horrifically for hundreds of years.

Yes and all those people are dead or close to been dead. In 200 years time will people still blame the German public for the things Hitler done?

Sunny Disposition

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Spent a lot of time over there as a young fella, saved a lot of money, the country was very good to me. As a result I have a a soft spot for them now, but people here are turning against them in a big way, seems like latent hatred due to partition etc to me. Any ideas on how we can rebuild relations? They really are for the most part very nice people.

Always happens when England give Ireland an arse kicking on the rugby pitch.

InTheShadows

corner of hells wrote: »

Scotland had a referendum, democracy in action.Just like us with referendums.

Yup, Wales is a country , pop. of 3 million or so.

Not all Protestants are Unionists.
As for horrible bastards , my father is descended from Northern Irish Protestants.

And what an add on at the end , an atrocity where kids were killed.

"Democracy in action"?? They made us rerun our Nice and Lisbon referendums because they didn't like the outcome. Democracy my arse.

Fionn1952

On a more light hearted note...

http://arethebritsatitagain.com/

corner of hells

InTheShadows wrote: »

"Democracy in action"?? They made us rerun our Nice and Lisbon referendums because they didn't like the outcome. Democracy my arse.

They ?

Who ? The Scottish, the Protestants , who ?

branie2

I like them

fryup

lived in the south of england for a number of years....found the middle-class english to be very friendly & polite in the main, made me feel very welcome

end of the road

InTheShadows wrote: »

"Democracy in action"?? They made us rerun our Nice and Lisbon referendums because they didn't like the outcome. Democracy my arse.

so i have to explain this again, ah well.

we voted and rejected. we got concessions on the issues that were felt to have been the likely reasons for rejection. this meant we had a new treaty, and a new vote was required.
had we not been given a vote on what was ultimately a different treaty, it probably would have been unconstitutional.
people could have still voted no again yet the majority voted yes the second time.

Graces7

Edgware wrote: »

I agree. When doing work with them they will do as promised unlike a lot of my countrymen who will promise delivery dates, completion dates with no intention of honouring them

amen to that!

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

so i have to explain this again, ah well.

we voted and rejected. we got concessions on the issues that were felt to have been the likely reasons for rejection. this meant we had a new treaty, and a new vote was required.
had we not been given a vote on what was ultimately a different treaty, it probably would have been unconstitutional.
people could have still voted no again yet the majority voted yes the second time.

If it was a different treaty, why was it only Ireland that had to ratify it?

There were no concessions, only clarifications of irrelevant points.

end of the road

Aegir wrote: »

If it was a different treaty, why was it only Ireland that had to ratify it?

There were no concessions, only clarifications of irrelevant points.

ireland was the only one which had a referendum on it. the rest of the member states didn't require a referendum and their governments ratified the treaty.
there were concessions on things like neutrality etc.

Dave_The_Sheep

Aegir wrote: »

If it was a different treaty, why was it only Ireland that had to ratify it?.

Because our constitution says that no other legislative authority has power to make laws for the state. So if we are going to accept any EU treaties, then we have to have a referendum on it.

The other countries don't have this, so their governments can ratify it for them.

That's why.