Will there be a global Catholic genocide within a generation?

realitykeeper

On some level, our dreams reflect our reality. They may be influenced by hope, fear or other emotions. Anyone familiar with the story of Joseph son of Jacob will appreciate how Joseph interpreted the dreams (rightly as the story turned out) but it really only becomes obvious after Joseph explains it. Skeptics will say it is only a story but that is irrelevant, the point is the dreams were obscure but they had a secret message that simply needed to be decoded.

Those who believe in the miracle at Fatima may have heard that at least some of the messages of Fatima were obscure but reminiscent of these dreams described in the old testament. One of the messages of Fatima was that a Bishop in white, (who the children took to be the Pope) walks up a hill, all around, a city is in ruins. Upon reaching the summit, the Holy Father is killed by soldiers who shoot bullets and arrows into him. Next the Cardinals, Bishops, Priests and lay people of varying ranks are slaughtered.

This sounds very much like a genocide against Catholics. Even those who have lapsed, renounced or even reviled their Catholicism can potentially be labeled Catholic and if this interpretation is correct, their fate may already be determined.

Apart from this interpretation of one of the messages of Fatima, Our Lady is believed by many to have said the answers are in Revelations. And, in Revelations, Babylon is said to sit on seven hills. Many modern day cities are said to sit on seven hills but two of the most famous are Rome and Washington DC. Revelations says Babylon has sinned and will be chastened. Following this event, all trade will stop.

The US dollar is the world reserve currency and the Fed is set to do another round of QE in the not too distant future. During the great depression, world trade ground to a halt, not totally but to a great extend. A far greater depression in our time would have a more dramatic impact on world trade. As for Rome, the vitriol being dished out against the Catholic Church is global. Not only is it within countries that were traditionally Catholic but it is from certain Protestant sects (nothing new there) but also very much from the eastern Orthodox Churches and that is to say nothing of secularists, Islamic fundamentalists and so on.

In the event of a severe global depression and the instability that would cause, a scapegoat is often sought, and if that scapegoat is assumed to have hidden wealth(rightly or wrongly) and if it is widely reviled to begin with, then it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that a genocide could be perpetrated against that scapegoat. The holocaust would be an example of a precedent.

Revelations does however say, in reference to Babylon (paraphrasing):

Come out of her my children so that you do not get caught up in her chastisement.

Or something to that effect. In other words, is it permission from God to leave his Church for our own protection? And when the genocide is over, God`s children can once again rejoin his Church and hopefully never fall under the influence of Satan again but I think Revelations says that Satan will be banished for a thousand years before he again returns to corrupt mankind. Given what humanity is doing to the planet and each other, perhaps this world would be better off without us.

This is why penance and humility are so important. Am I wrong?

Salary Negotiator

Yes, you are wrong.

super_furry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlMwc1c0HRQ

NIMAN

Ah, realitykeeper, good to read some of your stuff again.

Nonsense as usual, but good to read something has ain't going to happen, again.

Mancomb Seepgood

The Book of Revelation and quantitative easing in one post?Another classic realitykeeper, bravo.

El_Duderino 09

Are you you speaking about a metaphorical genocide or a literal one?

Would fewer people taking catholicism seriously count as a genocide?

realitykeeper

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Are you you speaking about a metaphorical genocide or a literal one?

Would fewer people taking catholicism seriously count as a genocide?

I am talking about a literal genocide.

Another point, consider the following ...

a) In the beatitudes, Christ says the meek shall inherit the earth.

b) In revelations, I think there is something about 144,000 virgins surviving the apocalypse.

c) And Our Lady of Fatima said that the Rosary will protect us.


Taking these three statements, could the meek act of praying to the virgin be our salvation. My interpretation is that the 144,000 would not necessarily be virgins themselves but people who pray to the virgin.

Captain Flaps

realitykeeper wrote: »

I am talking about a literal genocide.

Please seek help.

realitykeeper

Captain Flaps wrote: »

Please seek help.

I shall. I will pray.

super_furry

In fairness, virgins are usually pretty meek.

irishgrover

Just on a point of order/clarification. Washington DC, having lived there for many years is exceptionally flat and does not have 7 hills ala Rome. I'm sure if you looked hard enough you could probably find 7 or 47 slightly elevated points....but generally speaking it's all pretty flat - there are not 7 discernable hills

Ash.J.Williams

realitykeeper wrote: »

On some level, our dreams reflect our reality. They may be influenced by hope, fear or other emotions. Anyone familiar with the story of Joseph son of Jacob will appreciate how Joseph interpreted the dreams (rightly as the story turned out) but it really only becomes obvious after Joseph explains it. Skeptics will say it is only a story but that is irrelevant, the point is the dreams were obscure but they had a secret message that simply needed to be decoded.

Those who believe in the miracle at Fatima may have heard that at least some of the messages of Fatima were obscure but reminiscent of these dreams described in the old testament. One of the messages of Fatima was that a Bishop in white, (who the children took to be the Pope) walks up a hill, all around, a city is in ruins. Upon reaching the summit, the Holy Father is killed by soldiers who shoot bullets and arrows into him. Next the Cardinals, Bishops, Priests and lay people of varying ranks are slaughtered.

This sounds very much like a genocide against Catholics. Even those who have lapsed, renounced or even reviled their Catholicism can potentially be labeled Catholic and if this interpretation is correct, their fate may already be determined.

Apart from this interpretation of one of the messages of Fatima, Our Lady is believed by many to have said the answers are in Revelations. And, in Revelations, Babylon is said to sit on seven hills. Many modern day cities are said to sit on seven hills but two of the most famous are Rome and Washington DC. Revelations says Babylon has sinned and will be chastened. Following this event, all trade will stop.

The US dollar is the world reserve currency and the Fed is set to do another round of QE in the not too distant future. During the great depression, world trade ground to a halt, not totally but to a great extend. A far greater depression in our time would have a more dramatic impact on world trade. As for Rome, the vitriol being dished out against the Catholic Church is global. Not only is it within countries that were traditionally Catholic but it is from certain Protestant sects (nothing new there) but also very much from the eastern Orthodox Churches and that is to say nothing of secularists, Islamic fundamentalists and so on.

In the event of a severe global depression and the instability that would cause, a scapegoat is often sought, and if that scapegoat is assumed to have hidden wealth(rightly or wrongly) and if it is widely reviled to begin with, then it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that a genocide could be perpetrated against that scapegoat. The holocaust would be an example of a precedent.

Revelations does however say, in reference to Babylon (paraphrasing):

Come out of her my children so that you do not get caught up in her chastisement.

Or something to that effect. In other words, is it permission from God to leave his Church for our own protection? And when the genocide is over, God`s children can once again rejoin his Church and hopefully never fall under the influence of Satan again but I think Revelations says that Satan will be banished for a thousand years before he again returns to corrupt mankind. Given what humanity is doing to the planet and each other, perhaps this world would be better off without us.

This is why penance and humility are so important. Am I wrong?

Absolutely

Guy:Incognito

realitykeeper wrote: »

I shall. I will pray.

Why should there be a need? Youd think if all you had to do was ask god to stop something bad happening, hed stop bad stuff happening in the first place?

homer911

realitykeeper wrote: »

Taking these three statements, could the meek act of praying to the virgin be our salvation.

Absolutely not

El_Duderino 09

realitykeeper wrote: »

I am talking about a literal genocide.

Another point, consider the following ...

a) In the beatitudes, Christ says the meek shall inherit the earth.

b) In revelations, I think there is something about 144,000 virgins surviving the apocalypse.

c) And Our Lady of Fatima said that the Rosary will protect us.


Taking these three statements, could the meek act of praying to the virgin be our salvation. My interpretation is that the 144,000 would not necessarily be virgins themselves but people who pray to the virgin.

Oh right. If you mean a literal genocide then, no. At least not based on any of the evidence you're relying on. You might have gotten away with a metaphorical genocide as long as you were willing to stretch the meaning of the word genocide.

Do you want a genocide or do you enjoy the idea of it happening Like a persecution fantasy? Persecution is to be rewarded in Christianity, isn't it?

realitykeeper

irishgrover wrote: »

Just on a point of order/clarification. Washington DC, having lived there for many years is exceptionally flat and does not have 7 hills ala Rome. I'm sure if you looked hard enough you could probably find 7 or 47 slightly elevated points....but generally speaking it's all pretty flat - there are not 7 discernable hills

Here are two links that might interest you. The first pertains to the seven hills of Washington DC:

http://alonefighterpage.blogspot.com/2017/02/seven-hills-washingtondc.html

... and the second pertains to Tiber Creek near Constitutional Avenue. The Tiber as you know is the River which flows through Rome. The White house is classic Roman architecture. These symbols are very powerful:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiber_Creek

realitykeeper

realitykeeper wrote: »

This sounds very much like a genocide against Catholics. Even those who have lapsed, renounced or even reviled their Catholicism can potentially be labeled Catholic and if this interpretation is correct, their fate may already be determined.

Revelations says Babylon has sinned and will be chastened. Following this event, all trade will stop.

Preposterous drivel.

realitykeeper

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Why should there be a need? Youd think if all you had to do was ask god to stop something bad happening, hed stop bad stuff happening in the first place?

But I share the planet with 7 billion other people.

realitykeeper

realitykeeper wrote: »

But I share the planet with 7 billion other people.

god made em all. talk to him.

lawred2

realitykeeper wrote: »

I am talking about a literal genocide.

Another point, consider the following ...

a) In the beatitudes, Christ says the meek shall inherit the earth.

b) In revelations, I think there is something about 144,000 virgins surviving the apocalypse.

c) And Our Lady of Fatima said that the Rosary will protect us.


Taking these three statements, could the meek act of praying to the virgin be our salvation. My interpretation is that the 144,000 would not necessarily be virgins themselves but people who pray to the virgin.

What is it with religion and the creepy obsession with virgins?

realitykeeper

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Do you want a genocide or do you enjoy the idea of it happening Like a persecution fantasy? Persecution is to be rewarded in Christianity, isn't it?

Of course not. I do not want a genocide and it is just a theory. It may however prove to be correct and that is why sharing it is the right thing to do in my opinion. Feedback is also appreciated.

lawred2

lawred2 wrote: »

What is it with religion and the creepy obsession with virgins?

i think its fair to say that many of them arise from a requirement to control access to procreative resources (among other things), so its a natural step from there

El_Duderino 09

realitykeeper wrote: »

Of course not. I do not want a genocide and it is just a theory. It may however prove to be correct and that is why sharing it is the right thing to do in my opinion. Feedback is also appreciated.

We'll it's not a theory, is it? Theory can be falsified. It's a hypothesis of anything but it's not really testable so it's more like a musing.

What would count as a genocide? 100 catholics murdered? Or art you talking about a full global cull of catholics? And How likely would you say this is?

realitykeeper

realitykeeper wrote: »

Of course not. I do not want a genocide and it is just a theory. It may however prove to be correct and that is why sharing it is the right thing to do in my opinion. Feedback is also appreciated.

there are literally infinite numbers of theories that may prove to be correct, my feedback is that your justification for sharing needs more filtering for likelihood and relevance

irishgrover

realitykeeper wrote: »

Here are two links that might interest you. The first pertains to the seven hills of Washington DC:

http://alonefighterpage.blogspot.com/2017/02/seven-hills-washingtondc.html

... and the second pertains to Tiber Creek near Constitutional Avenue. The Tiber as you know is the River which flows through Rome. The White house is classic Roman architecture. These symbols are very powerful:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiber_Creek

As I said, you could find 7 or 47 hills if you were so inclined. However DC is a largely a very flat city.
What's particularly funny about the page you reference is that none of the 7 "hills" listed on it are actually in the top 7 highest places in DC.
Indeed the only one of the 7 referenced on the page that would make it into the top 10 of highest places in DC is Capital Hill - which is the 8th highest spot in DC, at an altitude of 19 meters or 62 feet above sea level.

Anyway, not trying to cast anything on your beleifs, just trying to highlight where you are fundementally and without doubt wrong on your geography.

realitykeeper

Deleted User wrote: »

Preposterous drivel.

Revelation 18:11
And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

realitykeeper

irishgrover wrote: »

As I said, you could find 7 or 47 hills if you were so inclined. However DC is a largely a very flat city.
What's particularly funny about the page you reference is that none of the 7 "hills" listed on it are actually in the top 7 highest places in DC.
Indeed the only one of the 7 referenced on the page that would make it into the top 10 of highest places in DC is Capital Hill - which is the 8th highest spot in DC, at an altitude of 19 meters or 62 feet above sea level.

Anyway, not trying to cast anything on your beleifs, just trying to highlight where you are fundementally and without doubt wrong on your geography.

I do not dispute any of what you have just said just as I do not dispute that Washington DC is said to sit on 7 hills.

Guy:Incognito

realitykeeper wrote: »

But I share the planet with 7 billion other people.

So hes vindictive and just murders people till one of his subjects asks him not to?

Alias G

I'll have whatever the OP is smoking. Thanks.

gmacww

realitykeeper wrote: »

a) In the beatitudes, Christ says the meek shall inherit the earth.

Oh that's nice isn't it? I'm gland they're getting something 'cause they've had a hell of a time!

El_Duderino 09

So OP, you out your evidence to the thread and the response seems to be fairly Clear. Does that have any impact on your thinking at all?

realitykeeper

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

We'll it's not a theory, is it? Theory can be falsified. It's a hypothesis of anything but it's not really testable so it's more like a musing.

What would count as a genocide? 100 catholics murdered? Or art you talking about a full global cull of catholics? And How likely would you say this is?

To you it is a hypothesis and to me it is a theory because I have made no attempt to falsify anything but that is not to say I cannot be wrong. Of course I could be wrong. If I am correct, I would assume it would involve several continents and many millions.

realitykeeper

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So hes vindictive and just murders people till one of his subjects asks him not to?

Are you referring to God? I did not say God would do the genocide. If God did take every life, that is His prerogative, God gave every life.

smacl

realitykeeper wrote: »

Am I wrong?

No idea, but if they decide to revive Game of Thrones on the TV you should definitely apply as a scriptwriter. :P

realitykeeper

gmacww wrote: »

Oh that's nice isn't it? I'm gland they're getting something 'cause they've had a hell of a time!

Indeed. Some people don`t like that.

realitykeeper

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

So OP, you out your evidence to the thread and the response seems to be fairly Clear. Does that have any impact on your thinking at all?

Despite past experience, I started out with an open mind regarding how the idea might be considered. As usual, normalcy bias seems to be ubiquitous.

realitykeeper

homer911 wrote: »

Absolutely not

Impossible? Or denial.

Guy:Incognito

realitykeeper wrote: »

Are you referring to God? I did not say God would do the genocide. If God did take every life, that is His prerogative, God gave every life.

If God is the powerful being he is claimed to be then all death is on his hands. Including giving kids aids and cancer or letting them be abused and murdered.

Cant see any possible spin that could put a positive light on making people suffer till they die. Cant even put the bull**** of sin on to kids , particularly babies.

realitykeeper

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

If God is the powerful being he is claimed to be then all death is on his hands. Including giving kids aids and cancer or letting them be abused and murdered.

Cant see any possible legal spin that could put a positive light on making people suffer till they die. Cant even put the bull**** of sin on to kids , particularly babies.

Ah but you are thinking very short term. I try to think in terms of forever. This Chris Rea song is powerful stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-6FmYqIeps

El_Duderino 09

realitykeeper wrote: »

To you it is a hypothesis and to me it is a theory because I have made no attempt to falsify anything but that is not to say I cannot be wrong. Of course I could be wrong. If I am correct, I would assume it would involve several continents and many millions.

We'll that's not really the distinction between a theory and an hypothesis. Could you falsify the claim? (if you wanted to) If so, how?

homer911

realitykeeper wrote: »

Impossible? Or denial.

Pointless. Only God is omnipresent. Mary was not God.

realitykeeper

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

We'll that's not really the distinction between a theory and an hypothesis. Could you falsify the claim? (if you wanted to) If so, how?

I could be wrong but that is different to making a deliberately false claim. Obviously I cannot say (honestly) that my theory is my theory if I know I am lying. But, if I am not lying, then it is my theory.

realitykeeper

homer911 wrote: »

Pointless. Only God is omnipresent. Mary was not God.

Ah but Catholics pray to Mary to intercede on their behalf. They also pray to God directly.

El_Duderino 09

realitykeeper wrote: »

I could be wrong but that is different to making a deliberately false claim. Obviously I cannot say (honestly) that my theory is my theory if I know I am lying. But, if I am not lying, then it is my theory.

Ah, you're using the word theory when it's not a theory. It has nothing to do with lying. A theory is falsifiable and has been tested and has stood up against the tests.

A hypothesis could be falsifiable but hasn't actually been tested yet. That's why I asked if you could actually falsify your idea.

But to be honest, it sounds more like a persecution fantasy than any kind of realistic outcome. You're harmless so go for it. You get to fanticise about being martyred while safe in the knowledge that you're on no actual danger. Harmless

realitykeeper

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah, you're using the word theory when it's not a theory. It has nothing to do with lying. A theory is falsifiable and has been tested and has stood up against the tests.

A hypothesis could be falsifiable but hasn't actually been tested yet. That's why I asked if you could actually falsify your idea.

But to be honest, it sounds more like a persecution fantasy than any kind of realistic outcome. You're harmless so go for it. You get to fanticise about being martyred while safe in the knowledge that you're on no actual danger. Harmless

It is not a fantasy but it is a fear which to me seems very real.

Your initial point is lost on me. I know that it is not a hypothesis because I did not start out with a "what if". So I am not hypothesizing. I have however theorized and it is a theory I have not found any reason to diverge from, but hopefully I will.

El_Duderino 09

realitykeeper wrote: »

It is not a fantasy but it is a fear which to me seems very real.

Your initial point is lost on me. I know that it is not a hypothesis because I did not start out with a "what if". So I am not hypothesizing. I have however theorized and it is a theory I have not found any reason to diverge from, but hopefully I will.

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Hypothesis_vs_Theory

Ok. here’s the difference between a theory and a hypothesis.

Though, as I said, this sounds more like martyrdom fantasy. I suppose it’s leas useful to the fantasy of you admit it’s not likely to happen. But the answer to your question about whether it’s likely to happen is easy enough.

But if you honestly find yourself seriously worrying about this kind of thing happening then you need to have a word with yourself. You must be a nervous wreck about things that are really happening, like climate change.