Mondeo v Kuga value

arsebiscuits82

I had a previous thread on Ford Rangers but having looked at them I can't justify a 4x4 when a Kuga in reality would suffice.

I'm currently driving a 15 Mondeo for work which involves site trips and am afraid that I will tear the arse out of it before too long if I keep it.

I'm thinking of a 161/162 Kuga and have driven a few and I like them. I'm in to minds as to what to do. I only have the Mondeo 1 year with 4 years finance left on it. I've been offered a trade in with the dealer I got the Mondeo off, refinance over 5 years with a small deposit to make up the difference, keeping the repayments the same.

My question is simple and i probably know the answer, in 4 years which car is going to be worth more? I absolutely love the Mondeo and am in 2 minds as what would be the best for me long term.

Also whats the 2.0 120bhp Kuga like, I've only test drove the 150 bhp ones which has the same power as my Mondeo
Thanks,

colm_mcm

Kuga is end of life at this stage. There was a new model previewed earlier this year.
They’ll be throwing artificial discount into your trade in value to make a sale. They were heavily discounting them last year.
I wouldn’t have a Mondeo or a Kuga as a 192 model as both are also-rans. The market is moving away from traditional cars like the Mondeo and shifting to crossovers.
I’d pick a different crossover though.

Zubeneschamali

colm_mcm wrote: »

The market is moving away from traditional cars like the Mondeo and shifting to crossovers.

But "the market" is just fashion and cars are actually better than crossovers.

colm_mcm

That as may be, but the appetite for non-German premium saloons for example is almost non existent. The working mans coupe died a death in the 90s, the small non-premium saloon is dead. the 3 door hatchback is almost extinct, the crossover has been growing in popularity since the late 90s, RAV4s were the thing in the early to mid 00s, the oldest Qashqai are 12 years old now. Whether they’re better or worse, that’s what’s selling, and the traditional car is losing more and more market share. There are more and more sub-segments of crossover being introduced to replace the cars they’re based on. Crossovers are more profitable for manufacturers so they’ll continue to push them.

Zubeneschamali

So cars are better value 2nd hand.

colm_mcm

They’re cheaper, yes.
That’s why I bought an estate.

bazz26

Fords depreciate heavily at the best of times due to the discounting dealers offer on them regularly but your buying either of two models now that are coming to the end of their lice cycle so depreciation won't be any kinder to them in 4 years time. As said the Kuga is being replaced by an all new model in early 2020 and the Mondeo is getting it's final facelift now before it gets killed off at the end of 2020 and it looks like it will not be replaced due to dwindling demand for traditional saloon cars.

punisher5112

If unaware Mondeo is possible for the chop in 2020 ... Everyone is changing to SUV type and similar.

arsebiscuits82

yeah was aware of the end of the mondeo, a shame as they are a cracking car. I know the Kuga is also due a facelift, but not a chance I'll be buying new to use for work, it will get wrecked quickly as I work in construction.
Probably best not to worry about value in 4 years, as it will be little for both by the sounds of things. I just love Fords, and am on my 4th at the minute and very happy with what I've had to date. 02 Focus/06 Mondeo/11 Mondeo/15 Mondeo.
Ideal world, Ranger Wildtrack, realistic world either keep the mondy or get a Kuga, I'd be happy enough in both, just afraid of tearing the arse off the mondeo!

Drifter50

Yes, have to agree with most of the comments here

Had a Pathfinder that was dying a death earlier this year and had to move it on. Changed for a 15D Kuga and happy put with that. Use it for commercial with my work and its fine

Mondeo is old hat at this stage

terrydel

You should be able to get good value in either of these with the models coming to their end, if its what you want who gives a ****e if they are old hat/no longer in fashion/being phased out.

Lantus

The suv market is highly competitive and the kuga is nothing special in that market. But its still a good solid car and if you like it that's all that matters.

It's an opportunity to drive a hard bargain. Shop around and get prices from several dealers and see if they will beat.

Every new car is old hat once its driven out the showroom, the next face-lift or revision or new model is only ever a few years away.

arsebiscuits82

just an update, probably going to stick with what i have.

Been offered €10k as a trade on the Mondeo which shocked me. It's only 4 years old and was circa €35k new, it was €20k last year. 100k km on it. Dealer rode me altogether, my own fault. Live and learn.

Do they really nosedive that quickly? I'll keep it and drive it into the ground if that's the case as in 4 years it will be worthless more or less!

bazz26

Is it a current shape Mondeo? Did you try a different dealer? What was the price of the car you were trading in against?

punisher5112

Put it up yourself and see what you could get trading in will destroy you.

Do up a really good ad and put in inspection welcome in likes of a reputable mechanic garage and also if taking payment I'd suggest meeting in bank while they get cash or bank draft but as said be there when getting one.

I've done the above and just explained and people had no issues as it's a lot of money.

Obviously you will have to come in a little less then a dealer but keep the ad honest.

colm_mcm

Don’t know why you’d buy another Ford given the value the dealer is putting on one.

terrydel

Is it an estate mondeo? What spec?

arsebiscuits82

Exact same car as the one in the add below only in manual:

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/ford/mondeo/fpa/201908231470001?SOURCE_ID=SOURCE_ID_FPA_FROM_FEAT_LIST

I'm thinking a private sale price of €13.5k would be a good place to start with it.

Dublinstiofán

I’ve a 162 Kuga (120BHP) 2L and I love it. I had 4 big lads in it and myself down to Cork and back this week and it was still flying along. My mum has a 2011 one and it’s still rock solid.

All cars depreciate if you want one go for it! Mine has never let me down and I would highly recommend it it’s very comfortable and economical.

Drifter50

Yep, spot on. I bought a 15D one with a VAT invoice back in June and very happy with it. Good solid motor

punisher5112

arsebiscuits82 wrote: »

Exact same car as the one in the add below only in manual:

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/ford/mondeo/fpa/201908231470001?SOURCE_ID=SOURCE_ID_FPA_FROM_FEAT_LIST

I'm thinking a private sale price of €13.5k would be a good place to start with it.

Be prepared for silly offers but put it up and see. You don't have to sell if it's not making what you would like.

road_high

Kind of sad to see how pathetic Ford have made the Mondeo these days. They could hardly make it less desirable and off point if they tried. Was a very well regarded nameplate once upon a time. They must be huge giving huge discounts to sell any of them

punisher5112

Everyone wants SUV style so I can see it disappearing.

colm_mcm

road_high wrote: »

Kind of sad to see how pathetic Ford have made the Mondeo these days. They could hardly make it less desirable and off point if they tried. Was a very well regarded nameplate once upon a time. They must be huge giving huge discounts to sell any of them

If they’re offering €10k for the OPs car and giving discounts, imagine how cheap they’re actually getting his car for.

road_high

punisher5112 wrote: »

Everyone wants SUV style so I can see it disappearing.

Yep. Kuga is effectively replacing it. What am I missing with all these small SUV crossover things? I just can’t get into them and prefer the drive, looks and economy of a trad saloon or hatchback. Lot of them don’t appear especially well packaged or spacious for the size

road_high

colm_mcm wrote: »

If they’re offering €10k for the OPs car and giving discounts, imagine how cheap they’re actually getting his car for.

You mean from the manufacturer? I can’t imagine it’s particularly profitable for Ford

punisher5112

road_high wrote: »

Yep. Kuga is effectively replacing it. What am I missing with all these small SUV crossover things? I just can’t get into them and prefer the drive, looks and economy of a trad saloon or hatchback. Lot of them don’t appear especially well packaged or spacious for the size

Everyone wants the height as you can see more and they give the impression they're bigger then they are....

So many different types and styles....

Some are terribly bad at driving and others are absolutely comfort buses.

road_high

punisher5112 wrote: »

Everyone wants the height as you can see more and they give the impression they're bigger then they are....

So many different types and styles....

Some are terribly bad at driving and others are absolutely comfort buses.

I can understand you need the extra height if towing and off roading. On a motorway or normal road I don’t get it but sure each to their own I guess

colm_mcm

road_high wrote: »

You mean from the manufacturer? I can’t imagine it’s particularly profitable for Ford

If the dealer can give extra discount off the Kuga vs the list price, then they have more margin, this margin is usually used to top up the value of the trade in. Dealer might be offering €10k and getting the car for 7

terrydel

arsebiscuits82 wrote: »

Exact same car as the one in the add below only in manual:

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/ford/mondeo/fpa/201908231470001?SOURCE_ID=SOURCE_ID_FPA_FROM_FEAT_LIST

I'm thinking a private sale price of €13.5k would be a good place to start with it.

Getting that kind of money in a private sale is hard work. Very few want to hand that kind of cash over with no comeback, or can afford to.

road_high

terrydel wrote: »

Getting that kind of money in a private sale is hard work. Very few want to hand that kind of cash over with no comeback, or can afford to.

And not for a Mondeo anyhow which are two a penny and not desirable

terrydel

road_high wrote: »

And not for a Mondeo anyhow which are two a penny and not desirable

I like them but I get your point.

arsebiscuits82

Kinda between a rock and a hard place so! Doubt i'd get it sold online so might have to take the hit and trade, at least it will be taken in.

They are a fantastic car I think, it just doesn't suit my type of work.

turbocab

punisher5112 wrote: »

If unaware Mondeo is possible for the chop in 2020 ... Everyone is changing to SUV type and similar.

no there not ,hjust look at the amount of bmw 3 series saloons ,Mercedes saloons audi saloons, skoda Octavia,superb etc out there

pippip

turbocab wrote: »

no there not ,hjust look at the amount of bmw 3 series saloons ,Mercedes saloons audi saloons, skoda Octavia,superb etc out there

The Mondeo hasn't officially been announced as being for the chop but its very much top of Fords list to be discontinued according to media reports, the facelift next year is almost guaranteed to be the last and even that was unexpected.

Plenty of salooons still out there but the sales figures don't lie SUV increasing and saloons decreasing.

punisher5112

Apologies I meant 2022 is what had been put out there.. I didn't cop I said 2020 as I was thinking after 2019.

I would miss them as they're a smashing car but just don't hold their value as well as some others.

I'm in no way putting them down at all and love them to drive.

colm_mcm

The current Mondeo was out for a long time in the US before we got it.

bazz26

Current Mondeo was called the Fusion in the US. The Fusion was on sale in the US since 2013 but was killed off earlier this year along with other small saloons/hatchbacks there due to poor sales We only got the Fusion based Mondeo here in Europe from 2015. The European Mondeo is getting a facelift very soon that the US Fusion got 2 years ago and that will probably be it until the model is discontinued in 2 years time. It's very unlikely Ford will replace the Mondeo in Europe with another saloon/hatchback or estate. Same goes with the S-Max and Galaxy which use Mondeo underpinnings. Edge SUV was quietly killed off also as it was a big expensive SUV with no 7 seat option. People are no longer buying big saloons and MPVs sales are dwindling too. There is a new Kuga due in the new year and I wouldn't be surprised if they launch a stretched 7 seat version at some stage too to compete with the likes of the Kodiaq. Ford are also launching a new a compact CUV to sit below the Kuga and sticking the Puma badge on it.

road_high

colm_mcm wrote: »

The current Mondeo was out for a long time in the US before we got it.

I thought it was dated in 2016- i was in for a new car at the time and Mondeo, Passat, Mazda 6 and Insignia were on the list. I hated the Mondeo, felt like a big whale. Was bottom of the list, deeply unappealing car

road_high

Ford Edge was a joke of a thing- at least €15k overpriced. I’d say one one bought outside of dealer demos. How can a company ad experienced as ford make a shambles of car launches like this. Eco sport another terrible car.

colm_mcm

road_high wrote: »

Ford Edge was a joke of a thing- at least €15k overpriced. I’d say one one bought outside of dealer demos. How can a company ad experienced as ford make a shambles of car launches like this. Eco sport another terrible car.

The Edge was a sort of halo car, an attempt to make Ford look more premium, instead of looking like a sausage and chips brand shoveling out the same bland muck they’ve been doing for the last 10 years.

road_high

colm_mcm wrote: »

The Edge was a sort of halo car, an attempt to make Ford look more premium, instead of looking like a sausage and chips brand shoveling out the same bland muck they’ve been doing for the last 10 years.

An epic failure so as it wasn’t premium but charging premiums prices. Crazy stuff- takes decades to build up a premium brand. You can’t just stick a huge price tag on an average vehicle and ask customers to pay top dollar.

road_high

I see there’s used ones sitting in several Ford dealers- I don’t know how dealer capital and financing works but I’d say they mustn’t be too happy to have such overpriced hippos clogging up their forecourts and balance sheets.
They look awfully dated in such a short period of time. A cheaper VW Tiguan still looks good by comparison. And that’s where people’s cash is going. I think Ford risk going the way of Opel if they keep this carry on up.
https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/Ford/EDGE/201807268802466 paying €45k For this thing is certifiable. Looks like an uglier Mondeo on small stilts

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colm_mcm wrote:

They’re cheaper, yes. That’s why I bought an estate.

What estate did you get if you don't mind saying ?

_Brian

road_high wrote: »

I see there’s used ones sitting in several Ford dealers- I don’t know how dealer capital and financing works but I’d say they mustn’t be too happy to have such overpriced hippos clogging up their forecourts and balance sheets.
They look awfully dated in such a short period of time. A cheaper VW Tiguan still looks good by comparison. And that’s where people’s cash is going. I think Ford risk going the way of Opel if they keep this carry on up.
https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/Ford/EDGE/201807268802466 paying €45k For this thing is certifiable. Looks like an uglier Mondeo on small stilts

One thing I will say is tha the Kuga is a better drive than the Tiguan, it pains me to say it, I've had my Tiguan 4 years and herself bought a Kuga 18 months ago and its definitely a nicer drive, more spacious and more economical..
It tows better too, more stable and returning better mpg when towing.


The Air con is colder in the VW and thats the only place it wins.


We previously had a Mondeo (2010) and it was grand, brutal driving position and uncomfortable seats.. I'm regularly in a 2018 Mondeo, its a fine big lump of a car ok, desperately low and the overall car feels ridiculously bigger than the cabin space, boot space is its big attraction.

colm_mcm

Alexis Echoing Stovepipe wrote: »

What estate did you get if you don't mind saying ?

Octavia

Mango Joe

Am totally perplexed by this thread with regards to dismissing the Mondeo due to the shift towards crossovers - I've an 09 Mondeo and love everything about it.

I think it just handles beautifully, has a load of power and I find the comfort and build quality very solid, loads of room inside, massive boot and so on.

Obviously its subjective but I quite like the styling etc.

Surely the shift towards crossovers and declining demand for saloons makes gives buyers an excellent opportunity to pick up a fine car such as the Mondeo with low miles, good spec etc for very little money?

PS I'm not being opinionated, dismissive or contradictory - Genuine question and prepared to be enlightened etc.

colm_mcm

Mango Joe wrote: »

Am totally perplexed by this thread with regards to dismissing the Mondeo due to the shift towards crossovers - I've an 09 Mondeo and love everything about it.

I think it just handles beautifully, has a load of power and I find the comfort and build quality very solid, loads of room inside, massive boot and so on.

Obviously its subjective but I quite like the styling etc.

Surely the shift towards crossovers and declining demand for saloons makes gives buyers an excellent opportunity to pick up a fine car such as the Mondeo with low miles, good spec etc for very little money?

PS I'm not being opinionated, dismissive or contradictory - Genuine question and prepared to be enlightened etc.

The people buying new cars are moving to crossovers.

Rightly or wrongly.

0lddog

colm_mcm wrote: »

The people buying new cars are moving to crossovers.

Rightly or wrongly.

The people buying new cars are being sold crossovers whether they like it or not.

road_high

Mango Joe wrote: »

Am totally perplexed by this thread with regards to dismissing the Mondeo due to the shift towards crossovers - I've an 09 Mondeo and love everything about it.

I think it just handles beautifully, has a load of power and I find the comfort and build quality very solid, loads of room inside, massive boot and so on.

Obviously its subjective but I quite like the styling etc.

Surely the shift towards crossovers and declining demand for saloons makes gives buyers an excellent opportunity to pick up a fine car such as the Mondeo with low miles, good spec etc for very little money?

PS I'm not being opinionated, dismissive or contradictory - Genuine question and prepared to be enlightened etc.

I was talking specifically about the 2015 model onwards and personally disliked it. Older ones were more dynamic drivers cars

Mango Joe

colm_mcm wrote: »

The people buying new cars are moving to crossovers.

Rightly or wrongly.

Maybe I misread the tone of the thread or the specifics of the advice but I'd consider the Mondeo a great buy.

Perhaps people were thinking ahead to resale value in a few years time.

road_high wrote: »

I was talking specifically about the 2015 model onwards and personally disliked it. Older ones were more dynamic drivers cars

Thanks for this input - My inclination was to buy another one of the pre-2015 model but I felt like it might be a bad move.