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The Roll Call - Signed Print

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  • 19-08-2019 2:47pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 28,147 ✭✭✭✭


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    Wondering should I get this looked at for insurance purposes, it's a large print or the Roll Call by Elizabeth Thompson, it's signed by herself Elizabeth Butler as she married one. I don't know who the second signature is WJ Hullov...can't make out the full letters of the second name. It's part or a pair that came from her house the other one is The Remnant of an Army just signed by her as Elizabeth Butler.
    There pretty old I guess around the 1880's or so.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,280 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    IMG-20190819-143720.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/DZp2Ykkh/IMG-20190819-143729.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/fyFRk4BC/IMG-20190819-143743.jpg

    Wondering should I get this looked at for insurance purposes, it's a large print or the Roll Call by Elizabeth Thompson, it's signed by herself Elizabeth Butler as she married one. I don't know who the second signature is WJ Hullov...can't make out the full letters of the second name. It's part or a pair that came from her house the other one is The Remnant of an Army just signed by her as Elizabeth Butler.
    There pretty old I guess around the 1880's or so.

    Does it have an 'edition no.' on it. Usually expressed as 8/100. The '100' being the print run.
    If it is mass produced then likely not worth a lot. (the second name is likely the lithographer)


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,147 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Does it have an 'edition no.' on it. Usually expressed as 8/100. The '100' being the print run.
    If it is mass produced then likely not worth a lot. (the second name is likely the lithographer)

    It has a number one stamp beside her name you can see it in the pic. I don't think it's the lithographers name as it's not on the second print.
    There's an initial JY on the side of the prints I assumed that was the lithographer.
    I'll try have a closer look..


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,147 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    There's the JC

    IMG-20190819-145720.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,280 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It has a number one stamp beside her name you can see it in the pic. I don't think it's the lithographers name as it's not on the second print.
    There's an initial JY on the side of the prints I assumed that was the lithographer.
    I'll try have a closer look..

    Has somebody painted around it? Looks like they have in the closeups.
    Just readin up on who she was. If it came from her house it could be the Artists Proof. Usually marked AP though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,356 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    WJ Hullov
    WJ Holland? I presume not the WJ Holland.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,147 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    IMG-20190819-145939.jpg

    Can't see any numbers besides that stamp, as I mentioned they came from Elizabeth's house that's what has me thinking the second signature is noteworthy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,147 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Victor wrote: »
    WJ Holland? I presume not the WJ Holland.

    That's what it looks like...


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,147 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    IMG-20190819-150556.jpg

    There's the other one just signed by her not WJ..


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,147 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Has somebody painted around it? Looks like they have in the closeups.
    Just readin up on who she was. If it came from her house it could be the Artists Proof. Usually marked AP though.

    Yea not sure when that was done, not in the last 60yrs anyway, has markings from I'd say an older frame on the outside of the canvas not the prints.
    Where would the AP be, I haven't opened the back of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,147 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    So what's the consensus?

    The back of it is well sealed don't want to cut it open.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,280 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yea not sure when that was done, not in the last 60yrs anyway, has markings from I'd say an older frame on the outside of the canvas not the prints.
    Where would the AP be, I haven't opened the back of it.
    So what's the consensus?

    The back of it is well sealed don't want to cut it open.

    'AP' would typically be marked on the front.

    It seems to be a mezzotint rather than a lithograph and I would be fairly confident it is an AP of sorts by 'WT Hulland'.

    Found this after a trawl on the google machine.

    https://wellcomecollection.org/works/cmekkzxx

    p.s. I wouldn't open it until you bring it to an expert.

    pps: Artists would'nt be as meticulous with 'proofs' as they would with finished prints so the margins may have had inky thumb prints and smudges hence the over painting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,147 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Thanks any idea where to bring it or would anyone who deals in art be ok.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,280 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Thanks any idea where to bring it or would anyone who deals in art be ok.

    I'd give Whyte's an email with an inquiry first and see if they are interested in seeing more?

    https://www.whytes.ie/valuations/

    Let us know how it goes?


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,147 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Cheers I let off the details to them. I'll keep you posted.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,147 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Let us know how it goes?

    Not great news, not suitable for auction, estimate value around €100-150.
    Surprised there worth so little considering the signatures, age and size. They can stay on the wall for another century.


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