Trump wants to buy Greenland.

sexmag

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/president-trump/buying-greenland-is-essentially-a-large-real-estate-deal-donald-trump-38415132.html

So the article is actually funnily written but some of the best parts are:

"Officials in Greenland have said it is not for sale, and Mr Trump allowed on Sunday that it is not a priority of his administration."

"Denmark essentially owns it. We're very good allies with Denmark.

"We've protected Denmark like we protect large portions of the world, so the concept came up."

They protect Denmark? He makes is sound like if they stop someone will come in and take the country, very New York Mafia sounding

Discuss

Salary Negotiator

Trump is a clown.

dudara

Moved from AH > CA

Boggles

The sooner he drops out citing "bone spurs" the better for everyone.

whisky_galore

I thought it was a joke.

We live in interesting times.

Harry Palmr

The Danes should send a gunboat up Trump's Potomac.

Deebles McBeebles

ORANGE MAN PLANS TO BUY GREENLAND
EXTREEEEEE EXTREEEEE READ ALL ABOUT IT

JohnMc1

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

Trump is a clown.

The ones who keep falling for his trolling are the bigger clowns.

Speedsie

Didn't the 'Baron of Broadway' try to buy Northern Ireland from the UK Government in the 50s? Think he offered about $15 million for it first time around.
Perhaps Trump is trying to do something similar, but I'm not sure who he would be giving it back to!

biko

USA bought Alaska from Russia 150 years ago, different times.

banie01

biko wrote: »

USA bought Alaska from Russia 150 years ago, different times.

And don't forget the Louisiana purchase in early 1800's!
Doubled the size of the States at the time.

The Donald is doing what he does best and buying land....
Greenland is gonna be a super defensive outpost with Blackjack, coke and hookers!

Just as successful as his Atlantic City casinos!

vriesmays

When Greenland melts and reveals its mineral deposits no-one will be laughing at Trump.

biko

I suppose a lot of forum posters are more comfortable with the concept of annexing, like when Russia annexed Crimea, or when China annexed Tibet.
Buying things is so 150 years ago


That said, i don't think Denmark should sell Greenland, sure isn't it belonging to the Greenlanders anyway?

BorneTobyWilde

Seems like a fair offer to be honest. They could invade and conquer it in a day in all fairness.

vriesmays

The Irish Defence Forces could invade and conquer Greenland.

Harry Palmr

Alaska 424.5m acres cost the USA 7.2m, (30c an acre) which is about 130m in today's money . Greenland has 535,251,200 acres so about 160m without checking. Hmm, might want to turn that into billions, given the gas and oil deposits, to be taken seriously. Not that he will be in any event.

brevity

The continued focus on Trump and his stupid tweets is depressing.

blackwave

Trump playing the media again. They should really just ignore his deflecting attention tweets/comments and actually focus on what his administration is doing.

Rename it Orangeland unless NI or Netherlands have patents pending.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

biko wrote: »

I suppose a lot of forum posters are more comfortable with the concept of annexing, like when Russia annexed Crimea, or when China annexed Tibet.
Buying things is so 150 years ago

Oh there were lots of annexations around that time as well, it bring the high tide of imperialism.

(And do you think that China and Russia are the only two countries to annex another country, or part of?). .

BDI

Imagine how great Greenland could be if it was part of the land of freedom. Rename it freedom land. Could build a tunnel right from the border wall direct to Greenland. Do not pass go do not collect 200 dollars. We could then put tariffs on it. No trade deals.

America, land of the free, home of the brave, sit back and cry about it Irish forum posters, what ye gonna do?

Franz Von Peppercorn II

BDI wrote: »

America, land of the free, home of the brave, sit back and cry about it Irish forum posters, what ye gonna do?

We are going to sit back and cry about it, I suppose. You’ve left us no option.

notobtuse

In 1867 and 1946 the US had tried to buy Greenland. President Truman offered $100 million in 1946 but Denmark turned down the offer. Why is it so crazy that Trump also entertained the idea? Is it simply Orange Man Bad?

Quin_Dub

notobtuse wrote: »

In 1867 and 1946 the US had tried to buy Greenland. President Truman offered $100 million in 1946 but Denmark turned down the offer. Why is it so crazy that Trump also entertained the idea? Is it simply Orange Man Bad?

No , it's that the concept of "buying" another country is utterly bizarre.

What was acceptable or even possible decades or centuries ago isn't really applicable today.

notobtuse

Quin_Dub wrote: »

No , it's that the concept of "buying" another country is utterly bizarre.

What was acceptable or even possible decades or centuries ago isn't really applicable today.

Who determines what is applicable today? Circumstances always direct change. Offering to buy land is a whole lot more civilized than what Russia did in Crimea recently. Also, do you not think if another world war was to break out there wouldn’t be some negotiations regarding land swaps in exchange for military support?

Quin_Dub

notobtuse wrote: »

Who determines what is applicable today? Circumstances always direct change. Offering to buy land is a whole lot more civilized than what Russia did in Crimea recently. Also, do you not think if another world war was to break out there wouldn’t be some negotiations regarding land swaps in exchange for military support?

Of course , just as offering to buy my wife and children off me is probably better than simply kidnapping them.

Doesn't make it right though.

By all means ask to purchase Mineral rights or whatever if the US think they are better placed than the Danes to extract the value.

They could also formalise a long term treaty to protect their access to Thule Airbase and so on..

But just saying - "How much money will it take for you to give me that land and all the people on it" is never going to be right.

whisky_galore

Quin_Dub wrote: »

No , it's that the concept of "buying" another country is utterly bizarre.

What was acceptable or even possible decades or centuries ago isn't really applicable today.

Just like buying a field, or a farm of land, just a whole lot bigger.
Governments and private individuals buy islands and this is the world's largest island. Sure why not?

It's an inanimate object, not a child or a person.

notobtuse

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Of course , just as offering to buy my wife and children off me is probably better than simply kidnapping them.

Doesn't make it right though.

By all means ask to purchase Mineral rights or whatever if the US think they are better placed than the Danes to extract the value.

They could also formalise a long term treaty to protect their access to Thule Airbase and so on..

But just saying - "How much money will it take for you to give me that land and all the people on it" is never going to be right.

Buy why is it not right to even entertain the idea? And of course the people of Greenland would need to accept any offer. If the answer is no I'm sure those mineral rights or whatever else is deemed necessary to protect access will be made. The US already has a military base in Greenland. No loss in exploring ideas. And a long term treaty would be beneficial to Greenland because if a global war did take place Greenland would be a primary target from forces much worse than the US.

biko

Make Greenland great again

notobtuse

biko wrote: »

Make Greenland great again

Or at a minimum make it confefe.

Acquiring Greenland would challenge China’s dominance of the world’s industrial metals and helps to block Russia’s renewed military ambitions.

kowloon

vriesmays wrote: »

When Greenland melts and reveals its mineral deposits no-one will be laughing at Trump.

Make Greenland green again?

mynamejeff

Speedsie wrote: »

Didn't the 'Baron of Broadway' try to buy Northern Ireland from the UK Government in the 50s? Think he offered about $15 million for it first time around.
Perhaps Trump is trying to do something similar, but I'm not sure who he would be giving it back to!

15 million ? fecks sake , the hassle that would have saved

would have been a great deal

gandalf

FFS deflection tactics, they should be checking what he is trying to bury or hide.

Outlaw Pete

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1163603361423351808

Zaph

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Alaska 424.5m acres cost the USA 7.2m, (30c an acre) which is about 130m in today's money . Greenland has 535,251,200 acres so about 160m without checking. Hmm, might want to turn that into billions, given the gas and oil deposits, to be taken seriously. Not that he will be in any event.

Greenland contains massive deposits of rare-earth minerals (used for rechargeable batteries, among other things), of which the main producer is currently China. The States would love to be able to break the effective Chinese monopoly in this market, as well as gaining significant military strategic advantages over the Russians by deploying more bases in or near the Arctic. The Times did an analysis of the value of the minerals and defence benefits and calculated their combined value at $ 1.1 trillion. Be interesting to see what Trump's valuation would be if he ever actually made an offer.

4068ac1elhodqr

Actually if he pulls it off, would be some amazing deal to make.
What will the auction start at then? Bids of $1.5tr and above.

For the 55k there, and Denmark's population tpoo they could have some decades long party on that.

BorneTobyWilde

Should buy Ireland, he'd run it better that this shower ever could.

gozunda

Speedsie wrote: »

Didn't the 'Baron of Broadway' try to buy Northern Ireland from the UK Government in the 50s? Think he offered about $15 million for it first time around.
Perhaps Trump is trying to do something similar, but I'm not sure who he would be giving it back to!

Probably kicking themselves they didn't flog it off back then tbh ...

There is some precedence for this - Hawaii became the fiftieth US state in 1959.

Hawaii is also the only US. state geographically located away from the American continent
And currently is the only state composed entirely of islands.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

notobtuse wrote: »

Or at a minimum make it confefe.

Acquiring Greenland would challenge China’s dominance of the world’s industrial metals and helps to block Russia’s renewed military ambitions.

?

If there are metals there then they can be mined now. And Russia is nowhere near Greenland.

Quin_Dub

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

?

If there are metals there then they can be mined now. And Russia is nowhere near Greenland.

Mining - Not really , mostly covered by glaciers and permafrost etc. making it difficult/expensive to mine , but with Trumps environmental policies , Greenland could be positively tropical in future making extraction much easier..

Russia - Greenland gives coverage from "Over the pole" Missile launches , if they were able to have missile defence systems in place. Also , as the ice continues to melt , it potentially gives access to shorter sea routes, again blocking Russian sea access to new markets.

whisky_galore

gozunda wrote: »

Probably kicking themselves they didn't flog it off back then tbh ...

Ah they're not. It was never going to happen.

The "Baron" made millions, but died penniless in Detroit. He doesn't even have a headstone.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Mining - Not really , mostly covered by glaciers and permafrost etc. making it difficult/expensive to mine , but with Trumps environmental policies , Greenland could be positively tropical in future making extraction much easier..

Russia - Greenland gives coverage from "Over the pole" Missile launches , if they were able to have missile defence systems in place. Also , as the ice continues to melt , it potentially gives access to shorter sea routes, again blocking Russian sea access to new markets.

So this is a play based on global warming?

Harry Palmr

Of course, just like various countries are quietly waiting for the Northwest and Northeast Passages to become truly navigable.

Tchaikovsky

So Trump and the media aren't even pretending that he's divested his business interests anymore?

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

So Trump and the media aren't even pretending that he's divested his business interests anymore?

He wants the US to buy Greenland. Not himself.

Overheal

Something about the whole thing feels like a huge gaslighting effort

Quin_Dub

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

So this is a play based on global warming?

Well - Global warming certainly makes it a lot easier to do business in Greenland.

But it's mostly a natural resource & geo-political play.

Although , knowing Trump , someone (Bolton probably) saw the Geo-political angle but played up the Resources and dollar signs angle for Trump to get him interested.

antix80

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

So Trump and the media aren't even pretending that he's divested his business interests anymore?

You do realise he's trolling libs? How can you even pretend to take that tweet seriously?!

Tchaikovsky

antix80 wrote: »

You do realise he's trolling libs? How can you even pretend to take that tweet seriously?!

The thing doesn't have a sense of humour. Have you ever seen it laugh?

notobtuse

Buying Greenland would make sense for the US, Greenland citizens, and the world in relation to availability of raw materials and energy. One of Trump's better ideas, actually.

https://www.breitbart.com/science/2019/08/18/pinkerton-why-buying-greenland-donald-trump-best-ideas/

Zaph

notobtuse wrote: »

Buying Greenland would make sense for the US, Greenland citizens, and the world in relation to availability of raw materials and energy. One of Trump's better ideas, actually.

https://www.breitbart.com/science/2019/08/18/pinkerton-why-buying-greenland-donald-trump-best-ideas/

Why would it make sense for the Greenlanders? Has anybody asked them if they want to become US citizens? Their land would become irreparably damaged by the inevitable mining and drilling for oil, and while it might mean jobs for those who want them, most of the wealth will be moved back to the States. They also only have to look at Puerto Rico to see how much the US actually cares about their possessions that aren't full states. There's no reason to believe that Greenland would be treated any differently and would end up in limbo as a territory that's a state in all but name, but without any of the benefits of statehood like proper representation in Congress.