Not working attitude = better off

mea_k

Just before hand. I am not jealous or hold grudge however I just want to know is this now normal?
I worked since I was 16. I worked together with this girl, she got pregnant at 18 so 2 years in to working together.
She never came back to work. Fine. Fast forward, to now. She still has not worked since getting pregnant the first time in 14 years? She since had 2 additional children. And now has housed, and suddenly babies father is back in picture and happy family has now gotten newly built home. 2 of these young people have not a manged to get job in 14 years?! How on earth is this normal?
I'm single parent, I work hard and I still have to keep afloat on my own. I'm happy in my situation however, I just don't understand how can you be rewarded for not at least trying to work on and off.

SEPT 23 1989

Fine Gael HQ is working late tonight

ILoveYourVibes

Benefits?

I dunno i mean the guy could be supporting her.

Anyway have a whine and you will feel better

kneemos

Can there be a dedicated free house thread?

mea_k

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Benefits?

I dunno i mean the guy could be supporting her.

Anyway have a whine and you will feel better

How can you support someone if you have no job?
What a strange country we live in.
Why can people draw "jobseekers benefit" for so long? If so I'd wanna quit working because I'd love to enjoy time with my child for sake of saving odd quid for mortgage that I might never get in my area.
Haven't seen either of them working, since the kids came along.

pablo128

mea_k wrote: »

Just before hand. I am not jealous or hold grudge however I just want to know is this now normal?
I worked since I was 16. I worked together with this girl, she got pregnant at 18 so 2 years in to working together.
She never came back to work. Fine. Fast forward, to now. She still has not worked since getting pregnant the first time in 14 years? She since had 2 additional children. And now has housed, and suddenly babies father is back in picture and happy family has now gotten newly built home. 2 of these young people have not a manged to get job in 14 years?! How on earth is this normal?
I'm single parent, I work hard and I still have to keep afloat on my own. I'm happy in my situation however, I just don't understand how can you be rewarded for not at least trying to work on and off.

She has probably lived in her mother's box bedroom for the last 14 years. Just goes to show how long the housing waiting list is.

ILoveYourVibes

mea_k wrote: »

How can you support someone if you have no job?
What a strange country we live in.
Why can people draw "jobseekers benefit" for so long? If so I'd wanna quit working because I'd love to enjoy time with my child for sake of saving odd quid for mortgage that I might never get in my area.
Haven't seen either of them working, since the kids came along.

Oh sorry I didn't know. Yeah ...it sucks.

ILoveYourVibes

pablo128 wrote: »

She has probably lived in her mother's box bedroom for the last 14 years. Just goes to show how long the housing waiting list is.

i bet the mother raised the kids.

astrofool

Their life will never be any better than it is now, they will always be on the bottom rung of every ladder, and will never be able to better themselves, their existence will be defined by the successes of their children rather than themselves.

You have the means to improve your state beyond any level they could dream of reaching (barring them getting educated and back into the jobs market, or a lotto win).

ILoveYourVibes

astrofool wrote: »

Their life will never be any better than it is now, they will always be on the bottom rung of every ladder, and will never be able to better themselves, their existence will be defined by the successes of their children rather than themselves.

You have the means to improve your state beyond any level they could dream of reaching (barring them getting educated and back into the jobs market, or a lotto win).

That's a lovely way of looking at it

OP i hope YOU win the lotto instead. You deserve it

JohnnyFlash

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Fine Gael HQ is working late tonight

They have the evening off. At the races in Leopardstown.

paleoperson

astrofool wrote: »

Their life will never be any better than it is now, they will always be on the bottom rung of every ladder, and will never be able to better themselves, their existence will be defined by the successes of their children rather than themselves.

That's not true, there's all kinds of back to education and getting older/unemployed people back to work schemes now, mostly handed free.

astrofool wrote: »

You have the means to improve your state beyond any level they could dream of reaching (barring them getting educated and back into the jobs market, or a lotto win).

That's not true either. The most important asset for 99% of people is their brain. If you have the brains for it you can succeed incredibly well. If you don't then tough ****, you'll have to work hard and will still be going nowhere your whole life.

SCOOP 64

Things are not as easy as people think out there, 14 yrs looking for work is possible.

SCOOP 64

[QUOTE That's not true either. The most important asset for 99% of people is their brain. If you have the brains for it you can succeed incredibly well. If you don't then tough ****, you'll have to work hard and will still be going nowhere your whole life.[/QUOTE]

This is so true ,there are people who have worked all there lives never signed on and no better off then the people the op as mentioned.

josip

mea_k wrote: »

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I'm single parent, I work hard and I still have to keep afloat on my own. I'm happy in my situation however, I just don't understand how can you be rewarded for not at least trying to work on and off.

Blessed are the mea_k
For they shall inherit the earth

ILoveYourVibes

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Things are not as easy as people think out there, 14 yrs looking for work is possible.

I think people underestimate how much work three kids are.

ILoveYourVibes

Originally Posted by mea_k View Post
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I'm single parent, I work hard and I still have to keep afloat on my own. I'm happy in my situation however, I just don't understand how can you be rewarded for not at least trying to work on and off.

Your effort is your reward. Your ability to do all that is your accomplishment. You are a much stronger person than them. That is one of the greatest things you have achieved.

celtic_oz

The OP is right to feel aggrieved .

There should be a huge difference in the standard of living between people who work and those who don't.

The moral hazard is clear.

amadangomor

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I think people underestimate how much work three kids are.

Agree but holding down a job trying to support your kids as well as looking after them is harder. Paying taxes to support people who choose not to work is a bit of a kick in the teeth for these people.

Junkyard Tom

Don't be home-o-phobic.

amadangomor

pablo128 wrote: »

She has probably lived in her mother's box bedroom for the last 14 years. Just goes to show how long the housing waiting list is.

What about the people who are living in parents box room/****ty rental accomodation and are saving for a house deposit. The people making an effort like this should be prioritised for help.

Sitting on your arse shouldn't be a long term option. The childcare issue needs to be looked at so we can make it pay for people who want to have kids and work. At a minimum it should be able to be written off income tax. Government run childcare would be my preference.

screamer

This is your friends way of life and believe me such people have a masters in milking the state. If you factor in the money the free house, the medical card and all the “supports” she’s probably better off than working and earning 50k. That is wrong.

Now before I get chewed, what a lot of people fail to realize is that for anyone who has gotten off their arse and worked and built their life around being self sufficient, with mortgage etc, the dole is a miserable and frankly inadequate way to exist. You simply cannot afford your life on the dole.
BUT for the never tried, never bothered, hand out for life brigade, they get everything for free, and their lifestyle is good. They can afford cars, foreign holidays etc because their whole existence is footed by the welfare system. That is also wrong.

riclad

That,s the system, to get a house from the council a woman needs to have 2 children,
then when she gets the house ,the boyfriend move,s in.
Theres plenty of single mothers out there who work, full time or part time .
She does not own the house ,she has to pay weekly rent based on the total income
of the adults that live there .
who knows in a few years time ,she may opt to work full time
and buy a house .
after raising the children.
You may say she is working the system,
or someone else might say she is bringing up her children in a stable
environment .
i don,t understand how someone who is on welfare can afford a car, car insurance, repairs etc

IF you buy a house , you can rent out 1 room, you do not need
to ask the councils permission to change it,
or fill in forms every 12 months about your income ,
who lives there, etc
how could a woman with 2 kids live in 1 box room?
i know a bloke, his daughter age 22 is living in a hotel room, with one child.
theres no area to play in.
You have to be back to your room by 11pm.
there are various schemes to help people buy a home.
see rebuilding ireland etc

ILoveYourVibes

riclad wrote: »

i don,t understand how someone who is on welfare can afford a car, car insurance, repairs etc

There is one member of that family who is very hardworking and very generous.

Your Face

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I think people underestimate how much work three kids are.

Its not that much work - it took me 7 minutes.

AHOKD

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Things are not as easy as people think out there, 14 yrs looking for work is possible.

Ha... I hope you are taking the piss!

deceit

screamer wrote: »

They can afford cars, foreign holidays etc because their whole existence is footed by the welfare system. That is also wrong.

My best mate and his girlfriend are in this situation (she's my sister btw).
They both don't work but can afford a car/holidays and have their house payed for them and get to live comfortably.
He gave up work last year as he found its easier to not work and can still comfortably get by.
He games about 10 hours a day (checked his steam id for a game that was released, from release until now averaged 10 hours a day).
I pay over 25k tax a year and I wouldn't come close to covering what they pull from the government.

kowloon

josip wrote: »

Blessed are the mea_k
For they shall inherit the earth

Well obviously it's not to be taken literally, it refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.

josip

deceit wrote: »

My best mate and girlfriend are in this situation (she's my sister btw).

...

Anyone else read this 8 times before working out the love triangle?

ILoveYourVibes

can't work out HOW they can afford all that...seems suspect.

deceit

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

can't work out HOW they can afford all that...seems suspect.

If talking about my comment. A combination of the hap and other benefits.
The also have 3 kids so get a lot of benefits for them.

fmpisces

The "not working attitude = better off" situation is made possible by the "generous" Irish welfare system. Depending on your outlook or how ambitious (or not) you are, your qualifications and/or experience coupled with a willingness to work (any job, not just specific jobs) make it all to easy to fall into and stay within the welfare trap.

Two years ago I was working part time, 16 hour week over 5 days Mon-Fri. Single parent, my youngest was 11 at the time. I was clearing about €220 a week wages and got a "top up" of about €167 a week from JST. Here's the snag...
Had I not gone full time since and was still working those hours now, I'd have no longer been in receipt of the JST payment as of next month when my son turns 14. There's no help as far as I know because my hours were split over 5 days. I would not have been able to twiddle those hours at work to suit me. It's not right, there has to be an incentive. I would have hung in there with my part time job in the hopes I'd go full time. Thankfully it never came to that.

AulWan

These type of threads are all starting to blur together...

lola85

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Fine Gael HQ is working late tonight

But FG are the ones giving these houses away for free?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

astrofool wrote: »

Their life will never be any better than it is now, they will always be on the bottom rung of every ladder, and will never be able to better themselves, their existence will be defined by the successes of their children rather than themselves.

You have the means to improve your state beyond any level they could dream of reaching (barring them getting educated and back into the jobs market, or a lotto win).

Agreed. I’m a reluctant social welfare recipient. It’s not a life I would ever choose if I could work.

dd973

40 hours a week surrounded by strangers and some twat on €0.50 an hour more than you bossing you around and looking down their nose at you, screw work.

hank scorpio89

Some people just arent able for the workforce or education but wont qualify for disability.what happens to them if there is no welfare system? Die on the street ?

Raconteuse

celtic_oz wrote: »

The OP is right to feel aggrieved

Absolutely. It's not fair, and snipes about FG make no sense and are pointless. Not EVERYTHING that's economically conservative deserves dismissal.

I really don't think many people have a problem with people being in receipt of benefits when they need to be, when they have no other choice.

Just not bothering to work and getting everything handed to you is so wrong though.

Graces7

celtic_oz wrote: »

The OP is right to feel aggrieved .

There should be a huge difference in the standard of living between people who work and those who don't.

The moral hazard is clear.

Why? how others live is no one's business but theirs. Only ones to feel unhappy are the begrudgers.

Keep your eye on your own page is a good idea .

Graces7

hank scorpio89 wrote: »

Some people just arent able for the workforce or education but wont qualify for disability.what happens to them if there is no welfare system? Die on the street ?

wise words; thank you and so true

Lotus Flower

dd973 wrote: »

40 hours a week surrounded by strangers

They're hardly strangers if you spend 40 hours a week with them...

Experience_day

I'm in the 65-85k range and yes I've been tempted before myself. Paycut be dammed be nice to not work 40 hours a week + luas each day!

Ultrflat

God I hate being on welfare its like being interviewed by the Gestapo at times. currently trying to find a new job ( got made redundant), I'm still waiting to see if my job seekers has been approved

Id rather be working then on buttons.

B.A._Baracus

Working the system, op. You can't be too honest in this world!
Reminds me of when I was 18 and I worked in an Argos here in Dublin and one manager was a right dickhead. Always be insulting you etc.
Anyways, he said to me one day how he lives with his girlfriend in the flats in city centre and they have 5 kids.
Doesn't take a detective to know she's playing the whole unmarried mothers card while he lives with them on dirt cheap rent.

He was a bollocks. He was working the system. Was it right? no. Was he wrong? also no. Plenty of him floating about. Work the system yourself.

Graces7

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Working the system, op. You can't be too honest in this world!
Reminds me of when I was 18 and I worked in an Argos here in Dublin and one manager was a right dickhead. Always be insulting you etc.
Anyways, he said to me one day how he lives with his girlfriend in the flats in city centre and they have 5 kids.
Doesn't take a detective to know she's playing the whole unmarried mothers card while he lives with them on dirt cheap rent.

He was a bollocks. He was working the system. Was it right? no. Was he wrong? also no. Plenty of him floating about. Work the system yourself.

wondering if you reported them?

AulWan

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Working the system, op. You can't be too honest in this world!
Reminds me of when I was 18 and I worked in an Argos here in Dublin and one manager was a right dickhead. Always be insulting you etc.
Anyways, he said to me one day how he lives with his girlfriend in the flats in city centre and they have 5 kids.
Doesn't take a detective to know she's playing the whole unmarried mothers card while he lives with them on dirt cheap rent.

He was a bollocks. He was working the system. Was it right? no. Was he wrong? also no. Plenty of him floating about. Work the system yourself.

Thats quite an assumption, (and accusation) to leap too.

That family could have qualified for social housing due to income family size. While working in Argos full time he could also have been claiming Family Income Supplment quite legitimately while his wife/partner stayed at home with their children. Nothing fraudulent about it. Plenty doing it now, too.

Not everyone in social housing is scamming anything, and plenty paying mortgages with Family Income Supplement (now Working Family Payment).

B.A._Baracus

AulWan wrote: »

Thats quite an assumption, (and accusation) to leap too.

That family could have qualified for social housing due to income family size. While working in Argos full time he could also have been claiming Family Income Supplment quite legitimately while his wife/partner stayed at home with their children. Nothing fraudulent about it. Plenty doing it now, too.

Not everyone in social housing is scamming anything, and plenty paying mortgages with Family Income Supplement (now Working Family Payment).

if you knew the man... you wouldnt be questioning.

B.A._Baracus

Graces7 wrote: »

wondering if you reported them?

Before this turns into some big "you should report them!" thread... It's down to each individual to report or not. I chose to not.
While he annoyed me with one particular comment one day - overall I just wanted out of the job which I did. I was 18. I didn't give two tosses about the job or him and ultimately he didn't wrong me enough to warrent me reporting him.

People have scammed the system for decades and more and more people will do so. I only care about myself and those closest to me (family, gf etc) My only concern is my success and the aforementioned.

screamer

But again, we’re not talking about people who lose their jobs we’re talking about people who chose welfare as their “job” for want of a better phrase. And yes, each of us who pay taxes should be concerned about that it’s our money and our hard works keeping such people in cushy lifestyles. Scammers shouldn’t be rewarded for being lazy welfare cheats. There’s plenty of more deserving people who need that money. I’ve said it before if you come and look around my village you’ll see households of these naer do workers who were reared on social, now rearing theirs on social, and have more than 4 kids. ( so there the next generation of sponge all’s coming along). They have almost new cars in the yard of their council houses, flat screen TVs the size of the room, holidays every year to Spain etc and they’ve never worked a day in their lives. Plus they get subsidized childcare at a pittance so they can you know, leave their kids into crèche for nice days of leisure. They need a break after all. The whole system needs to change as it’s just wrong morally and financially.

shootermacg

hank scorpio89 wrote: »

Some people just arent able for the workforce or education but wont qualify for disability.what happens to them if there is no welfare system? Die on the street ?

Well said!

There's a distinct lack of charity and compassion running through posts like these, not to mention a lack of education.

If you think the odd sponger has any real effect on you financially, think again.

AulWan

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

if you knew the man... you wouldnt be questioning.

Yes, actually I would.

Unless this manager, who you were not friendly with, for some reason volunteered the information to you that he and his partner were scamming, then you don't know anything for a fact. And I highly doubt he did that.

I am always amazed at the amount of people who claim to have such intimate detailed knowledge of how other people work their finances.