AH Gone to the Dogs

Feisar

The thread about old boardsies got me thinking.

The dung that passes as thread-worthy in AH these days is a joke. I was hoping Current Affairs would be the place to unload ones vitriol however AH s still a kip these days.

Now I know mods can't polish a turd and ye can only mod the content that's put in front of you however look at the state of what get allowed to even be a thread!

I realize the old tinternet has changed maybe nothing can be done.:(

Insect Overlord

First post, LOL

Yore ma

Blast it with piss

1337 haX0rs

+1

Etc. Those were the glory days.

Feisar

Insect Overlord wrote: »

First post, LOL

Yore ma

Blast it with piss

1337 haX0rs

+1

Etc. Those were the glory days.

So I'm looking back with rose tinted glasses? Probably am.

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Please note you need to have been a member of the site for 3 months and a minimum postcount of 100 to post in Feedback

Beasty

Cookie_Monster

Insect Overlord wrote: »

First post, LOL

Yore ma

Blast it with piss

1337 haX0rs

+1

Etc. Those were the glory days.

they sure were

Insect Overlord

Feisar wrote: »

So I'm looking back with rose tinted glasses? Probably am.

After Hours has always been the same, really. Nonsense, offensive generalisations, flame-bait, cliques, clichés, trolls, idiots, legends, witty replies, n00bs getting pwned, mods who try really hard but still can't keep everyone happy all of the time, scandal, intrigue, conspiracy, misunderstanding, fantasy, and a whole load of fantastic characters having entertaining and enlightening conversations. Every six months someone comes to Feedback saying they miss the good old days. Rinse and repeat. It's been following that pattern since at least 2006.

Overheal

AH was always full of bigots and aholes

gozunda

Overheal wrote: »

AH was always full of bigots and aholes

I reckon a whole bunch of them have decamped over to CA / IMHO. It's a bit sewer like over there atm. Got two abusive pms from one poster already today. Mais c'est la vie eh? ...

Beasty

gozunda wrote: »

Got two abusive pms from one poster already today. Mais c'est la vie eh? ...

Well they won't be bothering you for a while;)

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

I have to agree that the standard of threads have fallen lower than ever recently. The dumbest topics ever are appearing night after night. The CA going to a separate forum has left AH with absolute dross. It's high time some posters were told to stop creating nonsense threads or thread that just mimic existing threads.

Insect Overlord

Is the Cuckoo's Nest still in operation? That forum used to make gold of most of the nonsense kicked over from After Hours, even though they never really wanted the rubbish in the first place...

Tikki Wang Wang

Shane Nice Horn wrote: »

I have to agree that the standard of threads have fallen lower than ever recently. The dumbest topics ever are appearing night after night. The CA going to a separate forum has left AH with absolute dross. It's high time some posters were told to stop creating nonsense threads or thread that just mimic existing threads.

Perhaps some posters are too old for After Hours and should stick to the Oulwans and Oulfella forum

Necro

Shane Nice Horn wrote: »

I have to agree that the standard of threads have fallen lower than ever recently. The dumbest topics ever are appearing night after night. The CA going to a separate forum has left AH with absolute dross. It's high time some posters were told to stop creating nonsense threads or thread that just mimic existing threads.

But why, is AH not a catch all for the random, the weird and the downright stupid? Let them at it says I.

I think it's much improved since all the poison was siphoned into Current Affairs tbh.

Yes there is still the odd eejit around but overall it's much more fun and less toxic to post in.

Collie D

Definitely a lot of nonsense threads but I would agree with Necro that the toxicity levels have decreased since the new forum was opened.

No harm in a little nonsense compared to what it was before CA was a thing.

I do still think there should be a certain post count threshold for creating posts there but definitely happier with it now...and I wasn’t a fan of the CA idea at first.

Arghus

AH is much improved since 90% of the hate and bile was quarantined in its own little corner of hell.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Tikki Wang Wang wrote: »

Perhaps some posters are too old for After Hours and should stick to the Oulwans and Oulfella forum

And perhaps each of us is entitled to express our opinions honestly and politely, without insulting anybody else in the process.

nthclare

Shane Nice Horn wrote: »

And perhaps each of us is entitled to express our opinions honestly and politely, without insulting anybody else in the process.

The only problem is one person's banter could be another's insult.

There's a thin line really.

With all this PC nonsense and people running to mods while they're unsure of a post's translation.

Why not ask the poster what they mean if one's feelings have been insulated.

It's very simple, I know we're not all the same but I often read post's and it's quite easy to realise that a poster's just having banter or a wind up merchant....

Fortunately for myself I can rise above that, because I can detach from getting emotionally triggered here.

It's not hard to switch off.

Tell me how

nthclare wrote: »

The only problem is one person's banter could be another's insult.

There's a thin line really.

With all this PC nonsense and people running to mods while they're unsure of a post's translation.

Why not ask the poster what they mean if one's feelings have been insulted.

It's very simple, I know we're not all the same but I often read post's and it's quite easy to realise that a poster's just having banter or a wind up merchant....

Fortunately for myself I can rise above that, because I can detach from getting emotionally triggered here.

It's not hard to switch off.

It's not unreasonable to surmise that the poster Srameen was responding to was suggesting he was too old to be posting in AH.

That's, not getting triggered, there was little ambiguity about it.

nthclare

Tell me how wrote: »

It's not unreasonable to surmise that the poster Srameen was responding to was suggesting he was too old to be posting in AH.

That's, not getting triggered, there was little ambiguity about it.

I'm talking about people in general getting triggered by people's post's, thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

You're very helpful this morning

looksee

Perhaps some posters are too old for After Hours and should stick to the Oulwans and Oulfella forum

Perhaps some posters are too female for After Hours and should stick to the Ladies Lounge forum

Perhaps some posters are too non-Irish for After Hours and should stick to the er...no specific - forum

Perhaps some posters are too gay for After Hours and should stick to the LGBT forum

and so on. There is nothing to say you have to be immature to post in AH, so anyone can have an opinion. I generally stay out of it, though I will have a look occasionally if something comes up on the front page.

Its great that the majority of the scatalogical stuff is being concentrated in the etiquette thread, that is a great help. There are some genuinely funny and entertaining threads, the poetry one is showing promise at the moment.

Baron Kurtz

Shane Nice Horn wrote: »

I have to agree that the standard of threads have fallen lower than ever recently. The dumbest topics ever are appearing night after night. The CA going to a separate forum has left AH with absolute dross. It's high time some posters were told to stop creating nonsense threads or thread that just mimic existing threads.

Poster ILYV. It's unrelenting at this stage. One after another tourettes borne threads. I don't mind silly ones etc but there's zero thought put into them and she could have 5 on the go at one time.

dudara

Baron Kurtz wrote: »

Poster ILYV. It's unrelenting at this stage. One after another tourettes borne threads. I don't mind silly ones etc but there's zero thought put into them and she could have 5 on the go at one time.

Please do not bring up specific posters, it’s unfair. You can use Report Post to bring posts to the mods’ attention. It also takes two to tango, so in reality you should also be looking to all the posters who engage in those threads.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Baron Kurtz wrote: »

Poster ILYV. It's unrelenting at this stage. One after another tourettes borne threads. I don't mind silly ones etc but there's zero thought put into them and she could have 5 on the go at one time.

She’s doing fine. The place will die without some people creating threads. We aren’t running out of space.

I wasn’t around for the very early days of AH but I’ve seen links and it was a lot more random than now.

Dave0301

Arghus wrote: »

AH is much improved since 90% of the hate and bile was quarantined in its own little corner of hell.

I didn't know that there was a feedback thread on this, but I did think the other day that the threads in After Hours have been much more enjoyable.

The Street Fighter thread in particular was excellent

I thought it was a good move by the Mods to create a CA/IMHO forum.

kneemos

Lads we have this one reasonably popular forum left, what can we do to screw it up?

Success.

Baggly

Can you give us a little more detail on that kneemos?

Franz Von Peppercorn II

AH is going strong. Exciting crisp competition drawing in the crowds.

Beasty

Baggly wrote: »

Can you give us a little more detail on that kneemos?

kneemos is banned from the forum and therefore unable to respond

Mr E

The first page of threads in AH are all from the last 80 minutes, and there are 257 active users there at the moment.
Only 4 reported posts since this morning (and probably only 2 of them actionable).

I'd say it's flourishing, to be honest.

Dial Hard

Mr E wrote: »

The first page of threads in AH are all from the last 80 minutes, and there are 257 active users there at the moment.
Only 4 reported posts since this morning (and probably only 2 of them actionable).

I'd say it's flourishing, to be honest.

Have to agree, the improvement since the split is remarkable.

CA/IMHO is a dumpster fire of hate and bigotry, imo (see what I did there) but it's working great as a playpen for the terminally outraged so long may it last.

LizT

Stopped posting in/reading AH for a while because it was just horrible. It is so much better since current affairs was established. Good decision by all involved.

Meanies to win the ultimate crisp tournament.

hullaballoo

Against bacon fries? Pfff.

Overheal

Dial Hard wrote: »

Have to agree, the improvement since the split is remarkable.

CA/IMHO is a dumpster fire of hate and bigotry, imo (see what I did there) but it's working great as a playpen for the terminally outraged so long may it last.

while I don’t wholly agree with that description I do agree it was wise to separate the pub-style shouting matches from the more fun/craic-natured side of AH.

Lucyfur

hullaballoo wrote: »

Against bacon fries? Pfff.

They're not even a crisp!!!

Odhinn

Insect Overlord wrote: »

After Hours has always been the same, really. Nonsense, offensive generalisations, flame-bait, cliques, clichés, trolls, idiots, legends, witty replies, n00bs getting pwned, mods who try really hard but still can't keep everyone happy all of the time, scandal, intrigue, conspiracy, misunderstanding, fantasy, and a whole load of fantastic characters having entertaining and enlightening conversations. Every six months someone comes to Feedback saying they miss the good old days. Rinse and repeat. It's been following that pattern since at least 2006.

I've been here about 10 years under two user names (not simultaneously) and the above really does sum it up.

Don't suppose there's any interest in an insult or permanent "thunderdome" thread? Biscuits thread tonight was:

1. Disgraceful
2. Rude
3. Durty
4. Insulting
5. A fix (in favour of Jaffa cakes which I wholeheartedly support)
6. Refreshing- knowing you could insult or say pretty much what you wanted and knowing you wouldn't get banned.

Thread shows that there's demand for (a) a good voting/battle thread and (b) posters willing to partake and give/take a bit of abuse.

If not a permanent insult thread, then how about an "always on" battle thread with abuse allowed? Maybe different people sign up to running a battle thread on various things and abuse allowed in each of those threads?

Raconteuse

There are numerous threads at the moment containing posts about how awful women are (not certain women, just women). Kinda not a good look.

EmmetSpiceland

Raconteuse wrote: »

There are numerous threads at the moment containing posts about how awful women are (not certain women, just women). Kinda not a good look.

It does look like a few “current affairs” forum types have spilled over into AH alright.

Raconteuse

At times it's like the trolls and hatemongers get punished less than the long-term contributors. :rolleyes:

Buford T. Justice XIX

Raconteuse wrote: »

At times it's like the trolls and hatemongers get punished less than the long-term contributors. :rolleyes:

Fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on your perspective, there is due process that has to be carried out. Mods can't ban posters just because we or someone else thinks they're a troll. They have to accumulate an escalating level of sanction before we can ban them.

There were complaints of mods abusing their powers so the above, sometimes drawn out, process was brought in.

The other side is where discretion can be used. Boards has allowed previously banned posters to return to posting where they have shown a willingness to reform their posting style which has worked in the majority of cases that I've been aware of. If it was left up to me, some of those would still be banned as they were obvious reregs and I would have just dropped the hammer and thought no more about it.

It's no less annoying for mods to see some obvious trolls get seemingly away free of sanction but we have to build a case to a point where sanctions can be given.This is from feedback provided by users, that is the process we have to use and that's just the way it is.

It's not perfect but if you have an alternative proposal, feel free to throw it out there.

id suggest that in the most obvious cases there could be a case of skipping a few steps.

cf the thread at top of new answers about the sad suicide of a woman in custody

that behaviour could easily be argued as meriting a temp siteban in the first instance, instead of eg a warning or a temp threadban

particularly when the poster involved has been winding everyone up for months.

Raconteuse

It's frustrating to see long-term contributors get carded or warned (one in particular goes to great effort to make it a fun community) for finally snapping at the individuals who are hell bent on causing discord though, instead of said offenders being reprimanded. Ok nobody should call someone a name, but... common sense? How is it conducive to good feeling to let people go on a rampage of insults (and just because these skirt the line, doesn't make them less personal) and inflammatory comments while awaiting some arbitrary point when suddenly enough is enough? But to reprimand a usually good contributor for one slip-up? Smacks of "oh this is low hanging fruit and it's easier" to be honest.

People shouldn't rise to the bait I know, but when they do, blaming them for feeding the troll instead of blaming the troll themselves, seems like a really unfair redirection of blame. If you set out to provoke, and you provoke, then you're the one to blame, nobody else.

Also, this thing of telling everyone to calm down instead of dealing with the troublemaker at the root of the confrontation. Again, low hanging fruit.

It's a discussion forum, not court. Does the letter of the law really have to be so rigidly followed even to the point of not making sense?

Woke Hogan

"Long term contributors" get protected more than anyone. One poster posted yesterday that he ****ed my wife and when I had a moderate pop back, I was the one who got reprimanded with that ludicrously unintimidating bolded text by a moderator. A few other users even pointed out how unfair that was and one of their posts got deleted. It's a joke.

Ken.

Woke Hogan wrote: »

"Long term contributors" get protected more than anyone. One poster posted yesterday that he ****ed my wife and when I had a moderate pop back, I was the one who got reprimanded with that ludicrously unintimidating bolded text by a moderator. A few other users even pointed out how unfair that was and one of their posts got deleted. It's a joke.

Thanks,thats what it's suppose to be.

EmmetSpiceland

Woke Hogan wrote: »

"Long term contributors" get protected more than anyone. One poster posted yesterday that he ****ed my wife and when I had a moderate pop back, I was the one who got reprimanded with that ludicrously unintimidating bolded text by a moderator. A few other users even pointed out how unfair that was and one of their posts got deleted. It's a joke.

Whoa there, chief. One of my posts was deleted in that thread.

And, I would just like to point out, I was looking for clarification on whether the OP was “off limits”, as the thread gives certain “leeway” towards personal abuse.

I would, also, like to categorically state that I was in no way defending you nor “cantankerous” posts. Let’s make that perfectly clear.

As it transpires the mod, in question, sent me a “private message” to explain why my post was deleted and clarified the situation.

While I might not fully agree with the “situation” because it’s you I don’t feel any great need to kick up a stink. Had it been someone, anyone, else I may have complained more.

Supernintento Chalmers

Woke Hogan wrote: »

"Long term contributors" get protected more than anyone. One poster posted yesterday that he ****ed my wife and when I had a moderate pop back, I was the one who got reprimanded with that ludicrously unintimidating bolded text by a moderator. A few other users even pointed out how unfair that was and one of their posts got deleted. It's a joke.

I wouldn't take it to heart. AH modships have always attracted the dregs of society

Ken.

Supernintento Chalmers wrote: »

I wouldn't take it to heart. AH modships have always attracted the dregs of society

Hey numb nuts, you know the rules. Don't be telling the newbies the truth:P

Raconteuse

When a long running, heated thread is closed, why post "Closed, pending review"? As this implies they'll come back later, which they don't.

Baggly

You answered your own question. If its long running it takes a while to review, in my experience.

Dial Hard

Why aren't the ridiculously obvious re-reg trolls in the "Women snaring a man" thread being dealt with? Within minutes of the thread starting, the usual suspect was on (and yes, I reported him) and now there's at least one more. Not shutting them down immediately just encourages them to keep at it the next time because they know they'll get at least a day of airtime.

Boards.ie: Mark

Hi Dial Hard,

Thank you for reporting the post. The user has already been banned and their posts deleted on the back of this. There was a Mod online within minutes of the report who dealt with this user.