Friday 9th August

Andrew00

Siskin is a superb price for the Phoenix Stakes at 10/11. Am I missing something? Beat Monarch Of Egypt hands and heals, eased down, last time.

lemush

Andrew00 wrote: »

Siskin is a superb price for the Phoenix Stakes at 10/11. Am I missing something? Beat Monarch Of Egypt hands and heals, eased down, last time.

Ground an unknown, absolute ball of rain due.

Slattsy

Heaven of Heavens for me in the 6.15. Couldn't let a horse this well bred go off at 10s in what doesn't look a great maiden.

Going against the grain here, but I'm not deserting Royal Lytham in the Phoenix.
Done me a favour and Newmarket, I think he's a tougher/hardier horse than the market leaders and if this turns into a battle I fancy him to come out on top. I do think he wants 7f already but ground will help. Siskin I love, ground a worry and has never been in a race yet. How far will he stay? Could be vulnerable.
I'm sure Monarch of Egypt is doing something at home to be such a short price but so no reason why he'll beat Siskin.
Royal Lytham the bet at 8s. Generous!

PhuckHugh22

That Royal Lytham form is highly questionable. Platinum Star and Visionari were beaten more about 14 lengths by Pinatubo. Guildsman was nearly last in the Richmond.
Think he would need to improve on that form again to get to the front 2.

Peintre Celebre

Slattsy wrote: »

Heaven of Heavens for me in the 6.15. Couldn't let a horse this well bred go off at 10s in what doesn't look a great maiden.

Going against the grain here, but I'm not deserting Royal Lytham in the Phoenix.
Done me a favour and Newmarket, I think he's a tougher/hardier horse than the market leaders and if this turns into a battle I fancy him to come out on top. I do think he wants 7f already but ground will help. Siskin I love, ground a worry and has never been in a race yet. How far will he stay? Could be vulnerable.
I'm sure Monarch of Egypt is doing something at home to be such a short price but so no reason why he'll beat Siskin.
Royal Lytham the bet at 8s. Generous!

That's not a maiden it's a conditions race. Lyons one won first time out

Slattsy

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

That's not a maiden it's a conditions race. Lyons one won first time out

ah. I didn't see the 1 beside the 5. Scarleh for me

Slattsy

PhuckHugh22 wrote: »

That Royal Lytham form is highly questionable. Platinum Star and Visionari were beaten more about 14 lengths by Pinatubo. Guildsman was nearly last in the Richmond.
Think he would need to improve on that form again to get to the front 2.

Form shmorm!

IAMAMORON

At the prices I am having a lash at Royal Lytham. I took the 15/2. All duck and no dinner.

It lashed like the bible last night so the ground will not be firm, for sure, it all depends on how the Curragh drains off, we could easily be looking at soft ground or worse. There are showers forecast today.

Royal Lytham has only had 3 runs, he could still improve. I respect he didn't win at Ascot on soft ground, but that race could turn out to be the biggest marker of the year. Golden Horde improved 4-5 lengths to win at Goodwood.

They are only 2 year olds they can come on by lengths at this stage of the year. At 15/2 I would lose my teeth on the kitchen table tonight if it wins.

BigStickMick

If Siskin was trained by Aidan O'Brien then he would be a much shorter price than 10/11, looks very big for what could be the smartest 2yo in UK or Ireland to me.

PhuckHugh22

BigStickMick wrote: »

If Siskin was trained by Aidan O'Brien then he would be a much shorter price than 10/11, looks very big for what could be the smartest 2yo in UK or Ireland to me.

Im a big Siskin fan. But he has about a stone to find with Pinatubo. Nowhere near that level yet.

BigStickMick

PhuckHugh22 wrote: »

Im a big Siskin fan. But he has about a stone to find with Pinatubo. Nowhere near that level yet.

A stone? Not sure where you're arriving at that figure.

longshotvalue

PhuckHugh22 wrote: »

Im a big Siskin fan. But he has about a stone to find with Pinatubo. Nowhere near that level yet.

Pinatubo seems a whole other level but where Royal Lytham finishes will tie it all up nicely.

PhuckHugh22

BigStickMick wrote: »

A stone? Not sure where you're arriving at that figure.

A stone is an exaggeration on my part but the handicapper has him 9lbs clear and Timeform 11lb at the moment. Which I think is fair on all known form.

PhuckHugh22

That being said i did back Siskin at 10/11.
Ground update is yielding good/yielding in places and some drying this morning apparently.

The Tetrarch

18:50 Royal Lytham 20 at 11s
20:00 Polly Douglas 12 at 23s

18:50 Siskin might be a good thing, but there has been rain, and a bigger factor might be the 23 knots wind forecast at 19:00 from the right and against. Getting cover might be as important as ability.

20:00 My reason for picking Polly Douglas is she is drawn 21 of 22, and will be on the stands side with 20 runners on her right sheltering her. Shore Step drawn 20 would also be favoured by these conditions.

tryfix

There's an awful lot of potential to improve in Monarch Of Egypt ( best of O'Brien's) but logic says that it is not too clever to be backing against Siskin who has a killer turn of foot. I'd rather back Hong Kong in the opener than throw darts at Siskin in the big one.

Kauto

BigStickMick wrote: »

If Siskin was trained by Aidan O'Brien then he would be a much shorter price than 10/11, looks very big for what could be the smartest 2yo in UK or Ireland to me.

If he was trained by Aidan O'Brien it would be fair to assume he would continue to improve over the course of the season.
That aint so with Lyons. His 2 year olds tend to go backwards after a run or two. Watch this yoke bomb tonight!

BigStickMick

Kauto wrote: »

If he was trained by Aidan O'Brien it would be fair to assume he would continue to improve over the course of the season.
That aint so with Lyons. His 2 year olds tend to go backwards after a run or two. Watch this yoke bomb tonight!

Lyons hardly a mug either is he and not exactly got the same calibre of top end six figure price tag horses walking round his yard has he?

Horse looks a class act and fair bit better than what GML normally has to work with, he's unquestionably the best horse in race on what form there is to go on. Opposing it at the shade of odds against that is now available on exchange looks completely braindead to me but good luck.

SonOfGoat

3.00 Brighton, Magic Shuffle, around 5/2 backed to win. Also layed the fav cafe sydney in the same race around even money

3.10 Musselburgh, Orions Bow, around 3/1 backed to win.

3.30 Brighton, Amor Fati, around 9/4 backed to win

3.40 Mussel, Alright Sunshine, around 2.44 layed this, don't think it will win.

SonOfGoat

6.50 Curragh, Siskin, 11/10 great price, different class to the field, be surprised if it doesn't win by 3+ lengths.

Thats me

PhuckHugh22

SonOfGoat wrote: »

6.50 Curragh, Siskin, 11/10 great price, different class to the field, be surprised if it doesn't win by 3+ lengths.

Thats me

Where you getting 11/10? I see 2.08 on betfair alright but for only 50quid and when you take in the commission its only evensish

IAMAMORON

SonOfGoat wrote: »

6.50 Curragh, Siskin, 11/10 great price, different class to the field, be surprised if it doesn't win by 3+ lengths.

Thats me

Where ?

https://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/curragh/18:50/winner

Kauto

BigStickMick wrote: »

Lyons hardly a mug either is he and not exactly got the same calibre of top end six figure price tag horses walking round his yard has he?

Horse looks a class act and fair bit better than what GML normally has to work with, he's unquestionably the best horse in race on what form there is to go on. Opposing it at the shade of odds against that is now available on exchange looks completely braindead to me but good luck.

I do plenty well enough opposing Lyons horses with a few exceptions.

I wouldn't lay one of his on its debut either as a two year old or stable switcher from another trainer.

It gets tiring listening to Ger with the same spiel.... 'As usual with one of mine it needs a run' No it doesnt Ger you have gunned it at home and have fcuk all improvement in it!

IAMAMORON

SonOfGoat wrote: »

3.00 Brighton, Magic Shuffle, around 5/2 backed to win. Also layed the fav cafe sydney in the same race around even money

3.10 Musselburgh, Orions Bow, around 3/1 backed to win.

3.30 Brighton, Amor Fati, around 9/4 backed to win

3.40 Mussel, Alright Sunshine, around 2.44 layed this, don't think it will win.

In fairness Goat today is not your day.

What else do you call yourself? Are you blinkers off as well?

BigStickMick

Kauto wrote: »

I do plenty well enough opposing Lyons horses with a few exceptions.

I would lay one of his on its debut either as a two year old or stable switcher from another trainer.

It gets tiring listening to Ger with the same spiel.... 'As usual with one of mine it needs a run' No it doesnt Ger you have gunned it at home and have fcuk all improvement in it!

He has very few switchers coming into his yard so do well to make money opposing whatever few he has in a year on that front, his stats are consistently good and he built his yard up from nothing so think it's fair to say he's not a mug.


Either way this thing looks like a full machine regardless of who it is that is training it and a bad trainer won't necessarily stop a good horse.

Kauto

BigStickMick wrote: »

He has very few switchers coming into his yard so do well to make money opposing whatever few he has in a year on that front, his stats are consistently good and he built his yard up from nothing so think it's fair to say he's not a mug.


Either way this thing looks like a full machine regardless of who it is that is training it and a bad trainer won't necessarily stop a good horse.

I meant to day i wouldnt lay a switcher coming into his yard first time. He has about 7-10 a season coming to him.

PhuckHugh22

While the talk of the ground and Siskin seems to be what everyone is clutching to to get him beat. Surely similar questions would apply to his main market rival in Monarch of Egypt.

Royal Lytham i could see handling the slog better than MOE but i really dont think he is up to the class of Siskin. I think if Siskin handles it any bit he will win easy.

BigStickMick

Kauto wrote: »

I meant to day i wouldnt lay a switcher coming into his yard first time. He has about 7-10 a season coming to him.

It said "would" originally so was confused. Fair enough

Morgans

tryfix wrote: »

There's an awful lot of potential to improve in Monarch Of Egypt ( best of O'Brien's) but logic says that it is not too clever to be backing against Siskin who has a killer turn of foot. I'd rather back Hong Kong in the opener than throw darts at Siskin in the big one.

Ger Lyons was interesting on Friday Night Racing on Off the Ball about a month ago. Said that after the Railway, that O'Brien's camp were very confident that MOE would turn over the form when the again. Lyons was very much "we'll see about that". However, on Wednesday, on the front page of the RP, O'Brien was quoted as stating that it was all go for Arizona. That they left him out and relying on MOE suggests that they are confident. (not to mention the price being shorter than it should be on form).

IAMAMORON

What odds can I get on the 6.45 at Haydock getting off about 5 minutes late to enable the Irish Group 1 getting either a split screen with no pre race coverage, or the whole race being recorded?

I am looking forward to seeing how those class 4 maiden fillies line up for 10 minutes ahead of the start at Haydock.

Just saying like.

The Tetrarch

17:15 The Curragh
Lady Jane Wilde 66/1 (Tote 112.60) , drawn 16 of 19

The joint favourites, drawn 7 and 8, finished 8th and 7th.

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Strong Johnson at 44s

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17:45 Hiella drawn 11 of 14

zpehtsfd

Had the back Siskin at odds against. Wouldn't fancy MOE on that ground. GL

PhuckHugh22

Up ya boya!!!

Kauto

Hard not to think they have a few better the Siskin

Andrew00

He's good alright. What a price

Kauto

Andrew00 wrote: »

He's good alright. What a price

They are all great prices when they win

Kauto

That Jane Mangan is a head wrecker to listen to. Up there with that bird brain Kate Harrington.

Andrew00

Kauto wrote: »

They are all great prices when they win

Yeah but even before the race he was a cracking price. If trained by AOB he'd have been 1/3

PhuckHugh22

Kauto wrote: »

Hard not to think they have a few better the Siskin

In fairness he looked like he absolutely hated it and still won.

Still think Pinatubo is a fair bit better than them though.

BigStickMick

Hated the ground and had to battle for first time in his career but did that very well to my eye

The Tetrarch

He runs like a sprinter.
I wouldn't like him for the 2000 Guineas.

longshotvalue

Given a choice of the 3 in that from here on i'm definitely having Royal Lythem. Had to lead, and was actually never really pushed. Hope to god someone makes a big mistake in a goof race before the year is out.

longshotvalue

11yo and all but Gordon has to go close here on testing ground 10/1 seems value

BigStickMick

Backing Siskin for next years Commonwealth Cup seems the most realistic take away from that race IMO

zpehtsfd

Really stellar performance by a horse that clearly disliked the ground. And great to see Ger Lyons get his first Group 1 in Ireland.

Slattsy

Royal Lytham the one to take out of that!

Well done Siskin backers.

The Tetrarch

I didn't go to The Curragh today as my dog minder couldn't make it.
What crowd did they get?

tryfix

Slattsy wrote: »

Royal Lytham the one to take out of that!

Well done Siskin backers.

These Gleneagles horses seem to have a great attitude.

Slattsy

tryfix wrote: »

These Gleneagles horses seem to have a great attitude.

That was why I fancied him today. His run at RA was very good considering he was stopped twice. Crying out for further already.