Eat less meat - UN

Poor Uncle Tom

So apparently the UN are now telling us to eat less meat.....:rolleyes:

Nanny democracy? or do we need to be told what's good for us?

RMAOK

The UN can fück off - too much nanny state stuff.

Dr. Bre

Controlling our diet is next

Lil Sally Anne Jnr.

Eating less meat is the moral thing to do. Follow your conscience.

73bc61lyohr0mu

Eat less animals, more soylent green..

nullzero

I'll eat less meat when they stop allowing innocent people to be bombed to death.

Galwayguy35

As if anyone listens to the UN anyway.

Potential-Monke

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

Eating less meat is the moral thing to do. Follow your conscience.

No

Black Swan

"Where's the beef?"

Signore Fancy Pants

Black Swan wrote: »

"Where's the beef?"

In my belly!

whisky_galore

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-22508439

Wonder if these are on the UN canteen menu?

beejee

The whole situation is retarded. That IPCC report states all this stuff, and then adds in that there'll be an extra 2 billion people by mid century.

Golly gosh! Where is the real problem, I wonder? Oh if only some super genius could figure it out!!

The harsh solution, and ONLY solution, is that a whole load of people are going to have to go. A 75% reduction at least.

"please eat a tomato to save planet earth"...bullshoite.

Another touchy feely, useless non-solution to a very real and imminent problem.

The writing is on the wall and you can't avoid reality forever.

odyssey06

Classic move to enfeeble the population so we cannot resist their new world order.

Waiting on a commitment from UN to travel more by train and sea instead of flights. One flight has same footprint as 200 beef dinners.

Feisar

Beef from under ten miles away vs avocado from the other side of the world. Can someone square that circle please?

I’m not hating on avocados however draw a ten mile circle around your home and demonstrate how one can achieve a rounded plant based diet. I’m genuinely asking. P.S. I’m from Mullingar it’s beef to the heels around here!

colm_mcm

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

So apparently the UN are now telling us to eat less meat.....:rolleyes:

Nanny democracy? or do we need to be told what's good for us?

Telling us as in the Irish, or just the world?

odyssey06

Feisar wrote: »

Beef from under ten miles away vs avocado from the other side of the world. Can someone square that circle please?

I’m not hating on avocados however draw a ten mile circle around your home and demonstrate how one can achieve a rounded plant based diet. I’m genuinely asking. P.S. I’m from Mullingar it’s beef to the heels around here!

Plus I expect big difference in footprint of mostly grass fed beef and lamb in Ireland v grain feed lot in Argentina

The UN is correct, and anybody who uses that most Tory and Thatcherite of terms, "nanny state", to describe whenever a state/international organisation interferes in the free market is really not doing themselves any favours. To a Tory any interference that keeps an eye on their business practices would naturally be unwelcome/derided as "nanny state". When tabloid readers, however, parrot them that's all a bit cringe.

Move to plant-based diet ‘effective way to reduce carbon emissions’ – IPCC

Feisar

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The UN is correct, and anybody who uses that most Tory and Thatcherite of terms, "nanny state", to describe whenever a state/international organisation interferes in the free market is really not doing themselves any favours. To a Tory any interference that keeps an eye on their business practices would naturally be unwelcome/derided as "nanny state". When tabloid readers, however, parrot them that's all a bit cringe.

Move to plant-based diet ‘effective way to reduce carbon emissions’ – IPCC

See my post above

Poor Uncle Tom

colm_mcm wrote: »

Telling us as in the Irish, or just the world?

Telling everyone while looking directly at us.

Oh, and we better make better use of our land, or else....

Upforthematch

Feisar wrote: »

Beef from under ten miles away vs avocado from the other side of the world. Can someone square that circle please?

I’m not hating on avocados however draw a ten mile circle around your home and demonstrate how one can achieve a rounded plant based diet. I’m genuinely asking. P.S. I’m from Mullingar it’s beef to the heels around here!

Spot on - or the nonsense where flowers are being imported from Africa only to go off 2 days later.

Once the air-miles for frivolous reasons is curtailed, then I'll start taking them seriously.

And why are the EU planning on importing Brazilian beef anyway when we have plenty of locally sourced meat on this side of the Atlantic?

kneemos

What's wrong with chicken? They don't fart or belch and only live thirty days or something before the chop.

Skylinehead

RMAOK wrote: »

The UN can fück off - too much nanny state stuff.

Do you know what a state is?

Poor Uncle Tom

Deleted User wrote: »

The UN is correct, and anybody who uses that most Tory and Thatcherite of terms, "nanny state", to describe whenever a state/international organisation interferes in the free market is really not doing themselves any favours. To a Tory any interference that keeps an eye on their business practices would naturally be unwelcome/derided as "nanny state". When tabloid readers, however, parrot them that's all a bit cringe.

The UN is full of pompous, pontificating, pretentious pricks, don't do as I do but do as I say. Wasting resources to trot out some verbal diarrhea on how to save on vital resources. I hope they choke on the ironery.

colm_mcm

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Telling everyone while looking directly at us.

Oh, and we better make better use of our land, or else....

Oh right. We do use an awful lot of the country for growing grass to feed to cattle.

InTheShadows

Sick of all this climate nonsense now. Every other day they trying to make people feel guilty for living your life. Maybe if they addressed the real issue of the unsustainable population of the planet I'd care but all this is a pure money grab. Most Irish couples can't afford to have a couple of kids yet they are breeding like rabbits in places like Africa and India.

Potential-Monke

Eh, get rid of cruise ships first:

Buford T. Justice XIX

Upforthematch wrote: »

Spot on - or the nonsense where flowers are being imported from Africa only to go off 2 days later.

Once the air-miles for frivolous reasons is curtailed, then I'll start taking them seriously.

And why are the EU planning on importing Brazilian beef anyway when we have plenty of locally sourced meat on this side of the Atlantic?

So we can export cars and TVs to South America.

odyssey06

colm_mcm wrote: »

Oh right. We do use an awful lot of the country for growing grass to feed to cattle.

A lot of land we have is suitable for grass not crops. Some of it probably could be switched over to crops.

Concreting over it wont help with emissions either.

suicide_circus

i buy irish meat exclusively. veg where possible. i have reduced my meat intake recently.

kneemos

InTheShadows wrote: »

Sick of all this climate nonsense now. Every other day they trying to make people feel guilty for living your life. Maybe if they addressed the real issue of the unsustainable population of the planet I'd care but all this is a pure money grab. Most Irish couples can't afford to have a couple of kids yet they are breeding like rabbits in places like Africa and India.

Humans contribute something like ten thousands of one percent to CO2.
The claim is this extra bit adds up,it is a relatively weak greenhouse gas however.But there is a theory that it helps the greening of the planet through extra photosynthesis.

https://skepticalscience.com/human-co2-smaller-than-natural-emissions.htm

odyssey06

Hmm lets go nuclear or lets go vegetarian.. I will go for the nuclear option.

JJayoo

Such a nonsense statement.

How about ban cars/planes/pets/electric appliances.

If everyone could kill themselves it would be fantastic for the climate

beejee

InTheShadows wrote: »

Sick of all this climate nonsense now. Every other day they trying to make people feel guilty for living your life. Maybe if they addressed the real issue of the unsustainable population of the planet I'd care but all this is a pure money grab. Most Irish couples can't afford to have a couple of kids yet they are breeding like rabbits in places like Africa and India.

The pressure valve for unsustainable populations is migration. No incentive to change as long as "emptier" countries are absorbing the overflow.

Too many people creating too much demand for everything.

It's clear as day where this is headed, and no amount of trendy trollocks is going to stop it.

odyssey06

JJayoo wrote: »

Such a nonsense statement.
How about ban cars/planes/pets/electric appliances.
If everyone could kill themselves it would be fantastic for the climate

Yes. I blame the UN for their efforts at combating disease and spreading peace. Let Ebola loose and let India and Pakistan have at it over Kashmir.

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scamalert

yes we do f**k africa asia india brazil and almost every 3rd world country as they supply meat fruits and everything we need half a globe away just that they could buy some soy or whatever banana leafs. its a good logic when you sit in these councils making near 200k a year to give these wise opinions.


I like the user who suggested those in favor of such ideas should be on trail for month to forage and grow their own food to sustain in given radius they live in, pretty sure all those ideas would die off fast with them.

Thelonious Monk

Feisar wrote: »

Beef from under ten miles away vs avocado from the other side of the world. Can someone square that circle please?

I’m not hating on avocados however draw a ten mile circle around your home and demonstrate how one can achieve a rounded plant based diet. I’m genuinely asking. P.S. I’m from Mullingar it’s beef to the heels around here!

Imported avocados and nuts etc still have a far less environmental impact on the Earth than meat.
I don't get the freak out over being told to eat less meat, if it's good for the planet.
Also we export 90% of our beef and dairy, yet complaining about importing some meat into Europe?
But sure we've been over this a million times on this site and by the looks of things we're not going to be eating any less meat any time soon, so it's pointless talking about it. Don't worry, if anything you'll be eating more and more meat by the looks of things.

castletownman

I don't understand how science hasn't intervened yet by creating some sort of environmentally friendly food. Something that can be made in bulk at very little cost and available to all. Like I don't know some hybrid grain or an artificial meat or something. 3D printers have been revolutionary in terms of what they can do.

And maybe if these billionaires stopped their dick measuring contest over space tourism pioneerism and used their wealth to fund global food solutions, it would be a lot more worthy too.

davidk1394

castletownman wrote: »

I don't understand how science hasn't intervened yet by creating some sort of environmentally friendly food. Something that can be made in bulk at very little cost and available to all. Like I don't know some hybrid grain or an artificial meat or something. 3D printers have been revolutionary in terms of what they can do.

And maybe if these billionaires stopped their dick measuring contest over space tourism pioneerism and used their wealth to fund global food solutions, it would be a lot more worthy too.

Bill Gates is spending all his money of producing lab grown meat

decky1

don't panic whoever came up with this will get the 'Chop' i 'Steak ' my life on it.

biko

Maybe they meant "eat less meat from places that pump them pull of antibiotics"?

Feisar

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Imported avocados and nuts etc still have a far less environmental impact on the Earth than meat.
I don't get the freak out over being told to eat less meat, if it's good for the planet.
Also we export 90% of our beef and dairy, yet complaining about importing some meat into Europe?
But sure we've been over this a million times on this site and by the looks of things we're not going to be eating any less meat any time soon, so it's pointless talking about it. Don't worry, if anything you'll be eating more and more meat by the looks of things.

So you are trying to tell me locally sourced grass fed beef is more harmful than plants from around the world? I'll buy it if it's backed up with solid logic.

Thelonious Monk

Feisar wrote: »

So you are trying to tell me locally sourced grass fed beef is more harmful than plants from around the world? I'll buy it if it's backed up with solid logic.

Yes. It is. Have a read of this.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/08/ipcc-land-climate-report-carbon-cost-meat-dairy

wakka12

InTheShadows wrote: »

Sick of all this climate nonsense now. Every other day they trying to make people feel guilty for living your life. Maybe if they addressed the real issue of the unsustainable population of the planet I'd care but all this is a pure money grab. Most Irish couples can't afford to have a couple of kids yet they are breeding like rabbits in places like Africa and India.

Well has the guilt made you change anything about your life to help the environment? Im guessing not by your attitude, so stop complaining about it then if you dont care about it

An african or indian child will use a fraction of the resources an irish child does during their lifetime. They could have 5-10 times more children than irish people and their countries would only then use similar amounts of resources per capita. But their population growth should absolutely be halted, in order to increase quality of life in those places and reduce many other problems associated with over population

lertsnim

Meat taken off the UN menus? I have my doubts.

Feisar

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yes. It is. Have a read of this.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/08/ipcc-land-climate-report-carbon-cost-meat-dairy

Never realised grass fed beef was as bad as it is! However my point still stands it will cost a carbon fortune to feed me in Mullingar a rounded diet.

Now I'm not a total asshole, I cut back, go veggy twice a week.

skooterblue2

suicide_circus wrote: »

i buy irish meat exclusively. veg where possible. i have reduced my meat intake recently.

A load of that is crap, they bring it into the country and hold it for 30 days and it becomes "a product of Ireland" or you shake a fistful of bread crumbs on a chicken breast and once again "a product of the EU". Did you ever eat "Irish smoked salmon" or "smoked Irish Salmon"? Another con is Equine Beef, the con is still going on.

wakka12

Still waters wrote: »

If its for improved health they're probably right, if its for the environment id be skeptical

Well meat isnt bad for you by any stretch. It contains several absolutely essential nutrients that are hard to find in plants, and a few that are impossible to get from plants. And chicken and turkey are certainly not bad for you.

The only poor health outcomes from meat eating are generally related to eating burnt or overcooked meat, eating highly processed and cured high salt meats, and over consumption of red meats is associated with some higher risk of contracting certain cancers. Thats it really, eating some high quality grass fed beef or chicken, boiled or steamed rather than fried,baked or bbq'd, from time to time will do more good for your health than bad, and is a much better idea for dinner than many other things people in the west eat regularly

sydthebeat

all we have to do is burn the methane.... problem solved

Poor Uncle Tom

sydthebeat wrote: »

all we have to do is burn the methane.... problem solved

...and eat the delicious evidence....

anewme

People have a mickey fit when they dont like facts.

The race to the bottom in pricing meats should flag that there are a few shortcuts being taken.

skooterblue2

sydthebeat wrote: »

all we have to do is burn the methane.... problem solved

Actually water vapour is the biggest green house gas.