China Harvests Organs from living people by force #BOYCOTTCHINA

ILoveYourVibes

I am talking hearts and lungs. Without anesthetic.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/17/china-is-harvesting-organs-from-detainees-uk-tribunal-concludes

An independent tribunal in the UK concluded....

An independent tribunal sitting in London has concluded that the killing of detainees in China for organ transplants is continuing, and victims include imprisoned followers of the Falun Gong movement.
The China Tribunal, chaired by Sir Geoffrey Nice QC, who was a prosecutor at the international criminal tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, said in a unanimous determination at the end of its hearings it was “certain that Falun Gong as a source - probably the principal source - of organs for forced organ harvesting”.

https://www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/china-continues-to-kill-prisoners-for-organ-transplants-tribunal-concludes/

An independent tribunal has published its final judgement that China still kills Falun Gong practitioners for organ transplants.
The China Tribunal, sitting in London and chaired by Sir Geoffrey Nice QC, this week delivered its final judgement which concludes that forced organ harvesting is now committed on a significant scale.

It states: “Falun Gong practitioners have been one and probably the main source of organ supply.
“The concerted persecution and medical testing of the Uyghurs is more recent and it may be that evidence of forced organ harvesting of this group may emerge in due course.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/06/18/china-killing-prisoners-to-harvest-organs-for-transplant-tribunal-finds/

The China Tribunal concluded that "forced organ harvesting has been committed for years throughout China on a significant scale, [and] the tribunal has had no evidence that the significant infrastructure associated with China’s transplantation industry has been dismantled and absent a satisfactory explanation as to the source of readily available organs concludes that forced organ harvesting continues till toda

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-organ-harvesting-prisoners-falun-gong-deaths-tribunal-a8962661.html

‘Very many people have died indescribably hideous deaths for no reason,’ says tribunal chair Sir Geoffrey Nice



It was less clear if China’s Uighur Muslim minority had been victims of forced organ harvesting, the tribunal found, thought it said they were vulnerable to “being used as a bank of organs”.

https://inspirestory.com/rare-eyewitness-account-of-live-organ-harvesting-no-anesthetics-were-used_56510.html

Rare eyewitness account of live organ harvesting—‘No anesthetics were used’

https://nypost.com/2019/06/23/the-ugly-truth-about-chinas-organ-harvesting/

The verdict is in: On June 17, the China Tribunal announced its finding that China’s Communist regime has for two decades practiced systematic, forced organ removal from prisoners of conscience, mainly Falun Gong practitioners and Muslims.
The independent, London-based panel of international legal and medical experts was led by Sir Geoffrey Nice, who also headed the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia.

It is beyond question that the Chinese govt is forcibly harvesting organs from the falun gong sect and probably others too. They are doing this for vital organs by force and without anesthetic.

These people are targeted for being minorities and simply because they are vulnerable.

Its been reported in hong kong a lot . There were protests there in response that were brutally clamped down.


https://www.independent.ie/world-news/asia-pacific/world-governments-ignore-organ-horror-38229054.html

World governments 'ignore organ horror'

I am sorry for all the links.

I wanted to present the unquestionable truth from credible sources that this is NOT a fantastical story. Its true. This is China.

China is forcibly removing vital organs without anesthetic or any pain relief. These people die soon after. And this has been found to be the case by an independent uk tribunal. Headed up by Geoffrey Nice who is a lawyer who prosecuted war crimes in Yugoslavia.

There are 60k people that we know about. There maybe others.

THIS IS THE CHINESE GOVT.

I know you might have trouble believing it. But its happening.

It's basically live vivisection on humans for profit.

ILoveYourVibes

To surmise.

A uk tribunal lead by Geoffrey Nice QC who is a lawyer who prosecuted war crimes in Yugoslavia has found that China has been forcibly removing vital organs from minorities in China without anesthetic and zero aftercare they are allowed to bleed out. Mostly from members of the Falun gong but some political detainees some Christians and Uighurs. Uighurs are very vulnerable right now as they are being detained en mass in many concentration and hard labor camps. These organs are then sold for profit the transplant tourist black market.

No govt seems to be doing anything.


I have friends with family in hong kong and mainland china right now. They are afraid to post this because the chinese authorities moniters all expats social media and even phone calls. They have asked me to be careful about what i post as i am friends with them etc on social media. They are afraid. I don't blame them.

I didn't even have to learn it was without anesthetic to know it was. I just knew. And i was right.

Also it links into Hong Kong. There were protests there about it. They have still freedom of press but its being clamped down on slowly.


There were publishers of books making fun of chinese leaders who went missing in Hong Kong. Ages later they were on chinese tv crying and confessing they were wrong begging for forgiveness. People think they were tortured.

I am actually so nervous to post this.

Stevieluvsye

Maybe you could have summised the original post. Headache reading that

ILoveYourVibes

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Maybe you could have summised the original post. Headache reading that

I will but i need to provide evidence with links to the tribunal findings and eye witness accounts heard by the tribunal or people won't believe it.

It will take me a while.

IAmTheReign

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I didn't even have to learn it was without anesthetic to know it was. I just knew. And i was right.

Also it links into Hong Kong. There were protests there about it. They have still freedom of press but its being clamped down on slowly.


There were publishers of books making fun of chinese leaders who went missing in Hong Kong. Ages later they were on chinese tv crying and confessing they were wrong begging for forgiveness. People think they were tortured.

I am actually so nervous to post this.

It's been going on for years. there's a reason you can get a transplant in China in a few weeks when you'd be waiting years everywhere else.

Not sure why you'd be nervous posting though. I don't think the Chinese government are going to send some crack hit squad after some bloke on a forum on the other side of the world.

ILoveYourVibes

IAmTheReign wrote: »

It's been going on for years. there's a reason you can get a transplant in China in a few weeks when you'd be waiting years everywhere else.

Not sure why you'd be nervous posting though. I don't think the Chinese government are going to send some crack hit squad after some bloke on a forum on the other side of the world.

Because they monitor the IPs of all expats and the IPs they interact with particularly those who post things like this and people with family back in mainland china.

This is true.

ILoveYourVibes

IAmTheReign wrote: »

It's been going on for years. there's a reason you can get a transplant in China in a few weeks when you'd be waiting years everywhere else.

Not sure why you'd be nervous posting though. I don't think the Chinese government are going to send some crack hit squad after some bloke on a forum on the other side of the world.

Its only westerners who get transplants like that or rich Chinese people.

No govt is doing anything.

But its things like this that have contributed to why Hong Kong doesn't want prisoners extradited and why they are fighting like they are.

There were protests about the forced organ harvesting there the police crushed them of course.

c.p.w.g.w

IAmTheReign wrote: »

It's been going on for years. there's a reason you can get a transplant in China in a few weeks when you'd be waiting years everywhere else.

Not sure why you'd be nervous posting though. I don't think the Chinese government are going to send some crack hit squad after some bloke on a forum on the other side of the world.

I'm be more worried about hackers potentially planting sh!t on my computer.

ILoveYourVibes

I want people to know.

I am personally going to stop buying things made in china.

lawlolawl

People aren't giving up their iPhones.

archer22

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I want people to know.

I am personally going to stop buying things made in china.

Is Israel after falling out with China now as well

Chris_Heilong

Sounds like FaLongGong propaganda to me which was a cult started in the 1990s btw. Their news papers are always spreading fake news about how bad China is, A lot of the pictures are staged. They even have a stage show that is on tour saying it is ancient Chinese dancing but then they show you a story about their religion and the communist party as the bad guys. China are not good but I would be very wary about believing anything coming from such a biased source or any news outlet that supports them.

ILoveYourVibes

archer22 wrote: »

Is Israel after falling out with China now as well

Yes actually. Have been for yrs. Why?

archer22

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Yes actually. Have been for yrs. Why?

I'd say you would know.

ILoveYourVibes

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Sounds like FaLongGong propaganda to me which was a cult start in the 1990s btw. Their news papers are always spreading fake news about how bad China is, A lot of the pictures are staged. They even have a stage show that is on tour saying it is ancient Chinese dancing but then they show you a story about their religion and the communist party as the bad guys. China are not good but I would be very wary about believing anything coming from such a biased source or any news outlet that supports them.

Listen to me.

This is a finding by a UK tribunal. It is now beyond question that over 60k people have died from forcibly having vital organs removed without anesthetic and without any after care.

The tribunal was headed by a UK lawyer called Geoffrey Nice. He prosecuted war crimes in Yugoslavia.

Its very important that people realize this has been established beyond doubt.
https://www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/china-continues-to-kill-prisoners-for-organ-transplants-tribunal-concludes/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-organ-harvesting-prisoners-falun-gong-deaths-tribunal-a8962661.html

https://inspirestory.com/rare-eyewitness-account-of-live-organ-harvesting-no-anesthetics-were-used_56510.html

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/asia-pacific/world-governments-ignore-organ-horror-38229054.html

Beta Ray Bill

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I want people to know.

I am personally going to stop buying things made in china.

China is an awful place.
But nearly everything is made there, China is the worlds factory.

Even now the computer/phone/tablet you're reading this on was made in (Or had a large number of it's components made in) China.

The clothes you're wearing, the hard drives used to store this thread on the Boards.ie servers, etc

So much of the worlds produce is made there, it impossible to avoid.
The US government will have had enough of Chinese expansion by 2030 and will collapse their economy.
Then it'll be India or some other 3rd world country that makes everything.

ILoveYourVibes

archer22 wrote: »

I'd say you would know.

Anyone with an interest in geopolitics would know.

ILoveYourVibes

grahambo wrote: »

China is an awful place.
But nearly everything is made there, China is the worlds factory.

Even now the computer/phone/tablet you're reading this on was made in (Or had a large number of it's components made in) China.

The clothes you're wearing, the hard drives used to store this thread on the Boards.ie servers, etc

So much of the worlds produce is made there, it impossible to avoid.
The US government will have had enough of Chinese expansion by 2030 and will collapse their economy.
Then it'll be India or some other 3rd world country that makes everything.

I'm doing it. It's all i can do.

This is a genocide.

archer22

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Anyone with an interest in geopolitics would know.

Yeah sure :rolleyes:

Auguste Comte

The no anaesthetic bit doesn't seem credible. How could they harvest useful organs from some one who is conscious without damage. How could they be restrained enough to get their liver or kidneys out cleanly?

ILoveYourVibes

archer22 wrote: »

Yeah sure :rolleyes:

What are you getting at?


My brother has lived in Hong Kong. He has visited China.

I have friends childhood friends with Hong Kong parents.

I only learned about the organ harvesting after the hong kong protests. I found out what some of them were about.



The concentration camps for Uighurs. The organ harvesting the The hukou system.

I know what my friends tell what their own families have dealt with.

China and India don't get on ether.

Auguste Comte

Auguste Comte wrote: »

The no anaesthetic bit doesn't seem credible. How could they harvest useful organs from some one who is conscious without damage. How could they be restrained enough to get their liver or kidneys out cleanly?

Paralysing agents which don't numb sensation?
https://paralytics.fandom.com/wiki/Neuromuscular_Blocking_Agents

Not saying this would be the case but if one wanted to be a psychopathic torturer...

T-Maxx

Meh

Don't fcuk up in China then.

weisses

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I want people to know.

I am personally going to stop buying things made in china.

Why stop there??/ .... stop using everything that is made in China

Reviews and Books Galore

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

To surmise.

A uk tribunal lead by Geoffrey Nice QC who is a lawyer who prosecuted war crimes in Yugoslavia has found that China has been forcibly removing vital organs from minorities in China without anesthetic and zero aftercare they are allowed to bleed out. Mostly from members of the Falun gong but some political detainees some Christians and Uighurs. Uighurs are very vulnerable right now as they are being detained en mass in many concentration and hard labor camps. These organs are then sold for profit the transplant tourist black market.

No govt seems to be doing anything.


I have friends with family in hong kong and mainland china right now. They are afraid to post this because the chinese authorities moniters all expats social media and even phone calls. They have asked me to be careful about what i post as i am friends with them etc on social media. They are afraid. I don't blame them.

I didn't even have to learn it was without anesthetic to know it was. I just knew. And i was right.

Also it links into Hong Kong. There were protests there about it. They have still freedom of press but its being clamped down on slowly.


There were publishers of books making fun of chinese leaders who went missing in Hong Kong. Ages later they were on chinese tv crying and confessing they were wrong begging for forgiveness. People think they were tortured.

I am actually so nervous to post this.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

To surmise.

A uk tribunal lead by Geoffrey Nice QC who is a lawyer who prosecuted war crimes in Yugoslavia has found that China has been forcibly removing vital organs from minorities in China without anesthetic and zero aftercare they are allowed to bleed out. Mostly from members of the Falun gong but some political detainees some Christians and Uighurs. Uighurs are very vulnerable right now as they are being detained en mass in many concentration and hard labor camps. These organs are then sold for profit the transplant tourist black market.

No govt seems to be doing anything.


I have friends with family in hong kong and mainland china right now. They are afraid to post this because the chinese authorities moniters all expats social media and even phone calls. They have asked me to be careful about what i post as i am friends with them etc on social media. They are afraid. I don't blame them.

I didn't even have to learn it was without anesthetic to know it was. I just knew. And i was right.

Also it links into Hong Kong. There were protests there about it. They have still freedom of press but its being clamped down on slowly.


There were publishers of books making fun of chinese leaders who went missing in Hong Kong. Ages later they were on chinese tv crying and confessing they were wrong begging for forgiveness. People think they were tortured.

I am actually so nervous to post this.

Why would you be nervous? China has 1.6 Billion hungry mouths to feed and they will always have more on their plate than they can realistically handle. If you look at Chinese history, the leaders have always been in danger of a revolt from the sheer number of their population. It's actually interesting sociolagicaly.



Also, your expat friends are being a little bit strange. I sincerely doubt that it is common enough knowledge that they would know of it and I doubt that they would be privy to it. Truth be told, china would just kick them out rather than intimidate them in the awful way they are doing here.



You know, I am on the fence about this. It's from the UK and that does give it more credence than if it was from the US, but the timing is interesting in relation to the trade war and other issues that are contentious between the east and west.

Beta Ray Bill

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I'm doing it. It's all i can do.

This is a genocide.

This is nothing new for that part of the world.
Asia in general has had an appalling human rights record over the last 150 years.

China has about 1.4 billion people to govern via a communist regime.
Strict laws is the only way to do that. (I'm not at all condoning what they're doing)
Religion is against the law in China. And if you break the Law in China the punishment is severe.
Unsurprisingly crime rates are very low in China. (which is good I suppose)

I know people who have gone to work there in very well paid job for companies like Huawei. They literally last 2 weeks and then went back home as they didn't feel safe.
I'd never work there.

Reviews and Books Galore

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its only westerners who get transplants like that or rich Chinese people.

No govt is doing anything.

But its things like this that have contributed to why Hong Kong doesn't want prisoners extradited and why they are fighting like they are.

There were protests about the forced organ harvesting there the police crushed them of course.

Wait a second, I love Your Vibe. If it is a rare transplant based on money, then how can it be so widespread due to the fact that organs don't have much of a shelf life?

ILoveYourVibes

Auguste Comte wrote: »

The no anaesthetic bit doesn't seem credible. How could they harvest useful organs from some one who is conscious without damage. How could they be restrained enough to get their liver or kidneys out cleanly?

Numerous ways.They would be screwed down. Through the bone. Or beaten unconscious if they are lucky. In some eye witness accounts they were shot but not yet dead.

https://nypost.com/2014/08/09/chinas-long-history-of-harvesting-organs-from-living-political-prisoners/

There are numerous credible reports of no anesthesia being used.

A stunned Tohti did as he was told, trying to pretend this was normal procedure. He “glanced questioningly at the chief surgeon. ‘No anesthesia,’ said the chief surgeon. ‘No life support.’ ” The anesthesiologist “just stood there, arms folded. ‘He’s already unconscious,’ the man reasoned.”
The anesthesiologist was wrong.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/09/medical-journal-to-retract-paper-over-concerns-organs-came-from-executed-prisoners

A former surgeon from the western Chinese region of Xinjiang, Enver Tothi, was instructed in 1995 to operate on a political prisoner who had just been shot. The prisoner was unconscious but not yet dead but Tothi was ordered to remove his organs regardless, without the use of anesthesia.

ILoveYourVibes

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Wait a second, I love Your Vibe. If it is a rare transplant based on money, then how can it be so widespread due to the fact that organs don't have much of a shelf life?

You order it like take out.

ILoveYourVibes

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Also, your expat friends are being a little bit strange. I sincerely doubt that it is common enough knowledge that they would know of it and I doubt that they would be privy to it. Truth be told, china would just kick them out rather than intimidate them in the awful way they are doing here.

Every communication they have with the families back home is monitored. Everything they post on social media is monitored. Their phones are monitored.

Hong Kong knows all about it. They know.

Its not known in china. But obviously expats are blown away at having lived in a bubble.

Ecce No Homo

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You order it like take out.

So like Just Eat?

ILoveYourVibes

Here is a documentary.

Be careful don't watch if you are sensitive or vulnerable. Please don't.

This is fascism.

ILoveYourVibes

Please know that whatever happens in Hong Kong. The people protesting are ever so brave and ever so moral. And they are totally RIGHT to be outraged.

IAMAMORON

Is there any truth to the MI6 rumours? Pub talk I know, but it seems rational given the substantial British Financial interests in Hong Kong.

jammiedodgers

So the Chinese aren't a great bunch of lads?

ILoveYourVibes

jammiedodgers wrote: »

So the Chinese aren't a great bunch of lads?

The Chinese people are wonderful. But they are total prisoners who risk THIS kind of death if they stand against their govt.

The govt is not wonderful.

Like all countries.

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Please know that whatever happens in Hong Kong. The people protesting are ever so brave and ever so moral. And they are totally RIGHT to be outraged.

So as part of your boycott do you use a phone that was not made in China or a PC or laptop ?

Do you find it difficult to source goods not made in China ?

Can you give us an example of what was the most difficult item, you use daily or weekly, to source that was not made in China ?

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

So as part of your boycott do you use a phone that was not made in China or a PC or laptop ?

Do you find it difficult to source goods not made in China ?

Can you give us an example of what was the most difficult item, you use daily or weekly, to source that was not made in China ?

I am just starting. But I will make it happen.

No new bought items from china.

Reviews and Books Galore

I don't know, I Love Your Vibes, I imagine a defector from China would say anything and due to the 'Oriental Curtain' there's no real way to disprove or prove.



I just find it suspiscious that there's so many controversies coming out about China when China is expanding it's global reach.

Auguste Comte

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I don't know, I Love Your Vibes, I imagine a defector from China would say anything and due to the 'Oriental Curtain' there's no real way to disprove or prove.



I just find it suspiscious that there's so many controversies coming out about China when China is expanding it's global reach.

Not to mention the economic war being waged by the USA against China, and we all know that the first casualty of war is truth.

Gatling

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Sounds like FaLongGong propaganda to me which was a cult start in the 1990s btw. Their news papers are always spreading fake news about how bad China is, A lot of the pictures are staged. They even have a stage show that is on tour saying it is ancient Chinese dancing but then they show you a story about their religion and the communist party as the bad guys. China are not good but I would be very wary about believing anything coming from such a biased source or any news outlet that supports them.

By the sounds of it you literally quoted Chinese government propaganda towards the movement

Chris_Heilong

Gatling wrote: »

By the sounds of it you literally quoted Chinese government propaganda towards the movement

Not at all, It is the truth. Most new religions are cults anyway.

endacl

Be cool if you'd boycott China, OP.

That'd be your laptop, phone, tablet etc. Would tidy up this site no end...

ILoveYourVibes

endacl wrote: »

Be cool if you'd boycott China, OP.

That'd be your laptop, phone, tablet etc. Would tidy up this site no end...

I laughed at that.


But what do people think they should do about this?

What do you think of it?

Will you just forget about it and go on?

People are not as cute as greyhounds.

Deagol

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I laughed at that.


But what do people think they should do about this?

What do you think of it?

Will you just forget about it and go on?

People are not as cute as greyhounds.

It's an internal Chinese matter really? If people of China are that pissed about it they need to rise up and overthrow the government. That's how it works. You don't like the government of your country you get rid of them.

It's not the rest of the worlds issue to be continually overthrowing or sorting out individual countries with despots. They can only rule with a reasonably high number of people supporting them. I'm sure the Chinese army could overthrow the government? Why aren't the regular soldiers appalled by this?

Beta Ray Bill

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I laughed at that.


But what do people think they should do about this?

What do you think of it?

Will you just forget about it and go on?

People are not as cute as greyhounds.

A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic. - A quote that takes a deep look at our attitude toward human mortality

The reality is that most people are to far removed from the situation to justify doing without their [Insert thing made in China here].

People care, but not enough to do anything about it.
Another way of reading it from a statistical point of view would be:
"A bunch of people who deliberately broke one of the strictest laws in China were put to death and had their organs donated to people that needed them"

Strange thing is there has been suggestions on this site that we put murders, pedophiles and rapists to death here and give their organs to people that need them.

Gatling

If I read correctly China now has 400 crimes listed as having the death penalty ,
Surely the idea of using criminals organs for harvesting isn't the way to go ,
The government in China has so much unchecked power they could round up tens of thousands of people for organ harvesting under the guise of fighting crime.

I wouldn't be surprised if HK protesters are being lined up for voluntray donations

ILoveYourVibes

Gatling wrote: »

If I read correctly China now has 400 crimes listed as having the death penalty ,
Surely the idea of using criminals organs for harvesting isn't the way to go ,
The government in China has so much unchecked power they could round up tens of thousands of people for organ harvesting under the guise of fighting crime.

I wouldn't be surprised if HK protesters are being lined up for voluntray donations

Sadly you could be right.

ger vallely

I totally get what you're saying OP. I fully believe it is happening too. My only question is- the scale of it. Thousands of organs? I can't imagine that many being sold and bought on the black market? Are they being used outside of China or just within the country?

I watched a documentary a fortnight ago about the Uighur. Not unlike the Palestinian people they are basically being held prisoner in Xianjing, but the surveillance in there is so intense and complete. They are being wiped out, re education, their culture being extinguished. I would not be in the slightest bit surprised if their body parts were being treated as a commodity.

As for people in China being careful of what they and their friends/family write and post- absolutely. No jolly freedom of speech there.

Doc07

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I don't know, I Love Your Vibes, I imagine a defector from China would say anything and due to the 'Oriental Curtain' there's no real way to disprove or prove.



I just find it suspiscious that there's so many controversies coming out about China when China is expanding it's global reach.

Sceptiscim is always important but in this case this is not new. I have been reading this since at least 2005. Academics have been asking for retraction if any papers published relating to transplant research from China such is the disgust among medical community about this. Unfortunately there is also a deafining silence from international societies and health depts. it’s daunting to take on superpower after all.

Non-white, non-European victims rarely feature in sustained mainstream news here anyway.

Sheridan81

I also read about this about fifteen years ago in a newspaper. It doesn't surprise me.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

But what do people think they should do about this?

Well I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm done with Chinese takeaways. That'll show 'em.