Private builders selling to the council , now at least half.

No longer eat meat

I work for a large house building company , I can tell you now that private sales are slowed to a crawl, however there is no shortage of the county council picking up the slack. When I started a few years ago it was 10% of the development was allocated for social housing, then it was 20 now it is literally 66%. I will not name the location or the building company but this is going on. There cannot be an endless amount of funds for social housing but I must say if I were one of those people who have paid full price for their house I would be sick. This is not anecdotal btw I am working on these units and see it every day. I am not saying that there should not be social housing but we are going about the wrong way, when I have talked to the builders the attitude is " we build em we don't care who buys em". It is also impossible to know if you as a purchaser are going to end up surrounded by people who pay virtually nothing for the same house as yours.

Btw these are luxury finished houses , 2 3 and even 4 bed with high standard finish. I just think it isn't right.

dinnybyrne

It isnt right but the government have been backed into a hole with all the whinging about homelessness etc. Its not going to help matters when the next recession arrives, in fact its doing plenty to hasten it.

Darc19

Bullsh1t

14dMoney

No longer eat meat wrote: »

I work for a large house building company , I can tell you now that private sales are slowed to a crawl, however there is no shortage of the county council picking up the slack. When I started a few years ago it was 10% of the development was allocated for social housing, then it was 20 now it is literally 66%. I will not name the location or the building company but this is going on. There cannot be an endless amount of funds for social housing but I must say if I were one of those people who have paid full price for their house I would be sick. This is not anecdotal btw I am working on these units and see it every day. I am not saying that there should not be social housing but we are going about the wrong way, when I have talked to the builders the attitude is " we build em we don't care who buys em". It is also impossible to know if you as a purchaser are going to end up surrounded by people who pay virtually nothing for the same house as yours.

Btw these are luxury finished houses , 2 3 and even 4 bed with high standard finish. I just think it isn't right.

Please tell me where! I'm currently buying and I'd rather live at the bottom of a hole the live beside someone on the dole!

Cee-Jay-Cee

Outrage...disgust...blah blah more outrage.

No longer eat meat

Darc19 wrote: »

Bullsh1t

No this is happening and not only where I work but everywhere.

El Weirdo

No longer eat meat wrote: »

... This is not anecdotal btw...

It is the literal definition of anecdotal.

No longer eat meat

El Weirdo wrote: »

It is the literal definition of anecdotal.

It is I know but all I can say is what I am witnessing personally so it's a no win scenario.

My fears are for the longer term it is no sustainable.

Ipso

No longer eat meat wrote: »

El Weirdo wrote: »

It is the literal definition of anecdotal.

It is I know but all I can say is what I am witnessing personally so it's a no win scenario.

My fears are for the longer term it is no sustainable.

Long term doesn’t matter. There’s a bottomless pot of money that can be spent on d’people.

kikilarue2

No longer eat meat wrote: »

It is I know but all I can say is what I am witnessing personally so it's a no win scenario.

My fears are for the longer term it is no sustainable.

Hello brand new poster. I call BS.

biko

Never mind them OP, everyone hates a whistle-blower.

No longer eat meat

kikilarue2 wrote: »

Hello brand new poster. I call BS.

Hi I am yes a brand new poster ,I don't normally get involved in internet discussions but i don't know where else I can get my concerns across.

yabadabado

Literally 66%

Well that settles that:rolleyes:

macnug

Most CC's seem to have a historical limit of about 20% social housing in an estate, however, this is being, in some cases gotten around by housing charities buying stock and then housing people who are on the housing list, so in reality the actual percentage can be a lot higher.

Sardonicat

How do you know who the builders are selling to? Do they normally keep their staff appraised of this information?

Abel Ruiz

kikilarue2 wrote: »

Hello brand new poster. I call BS.

You have some neck.
Youre never off boards, and throw in some spoofing now and then. Re reg troll.

Reported and blocked!

Graces7

14dMoney wrote: »

Please tell me where! I'm currently buying and I'd rather live at the bottom of a hole the live beside someone on the dole!

:eek:

meeeeh

Apparently house price growth is slowing down, prices could be even falling. Maybe councils pay more.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/going-down-property-prices-cool-as-affordability-bites-1.3973198?mode=amp

No longer eat meat

Sardonicat wrote: »

How do you know who the builders are selling to? Do they normally keep their staff appraised of this information?

When the council are taking the houses they fit them with a certain finish in addition to the builders finish so it is quite obvious which houses are sold privately and which go to the council.
For example all council houses will get fully carpeted upstairs and landing and all will get the same type of laminate flooring downstairs.

TerrorFirmer

Councils buying 66% of a private estate development, could you not have made the story at least somewhat feasible.

Plumbthedepths

OP go out and get some sun, school is only a few weeks away.

No longer eat meat

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Councils buying 66% of a private estate development, could you not have made the story at least somewhat feasible.

All I know is what I am witnessing. Each road has more and more council houses than the previous one, it used to be a few houses dotted around the site, now it is most of them, I am called to do snags in the houses so I know which are from private surveyors and which are from the The County Council clerk of works.

lola85

I don’t know why the government bother buying houses and putting people in them.

No one believes they are doing anything anyway so might aswell not bother.

topper75

Is this a project 2040 thing?

endacl

biko wrote: »

Never mind athem OP, everyone hates a whistle-blower.

Noisy feckers.

charlietheminxx

Wonder how long it will take for this bull**** thread to get nuked?

No longer eat meat

anyway I have no solutions but it just seems wrong and that’s all I can say

Kermit.de.frog

Is this in Ballsbridge OP?

No longer eat meat

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Is this in Ballsbridge OP?

Not in my case but from talking to other building workers it seems to be happening everywhere

punisher5112

Check out the documentary on channel 4 with that guy that done the award winning sheds etc.....

He does a very good piece on the social housing and how it's gone from actual very decent size and good looking houses(homes) compared to the units they are pushing now....

Huge office blocks are been changed into housing units and cube like little boxes are hubs for housing....

100 years since the British were building well over 150k to 250k houses a year back when the country actually had no money....

Thing is I took on board a lot of what he had to say and it's true building all these high rises and tiny dumps sandwiched together will cost more through mental health, anti social, drug issues etc etc.....

Kermit.de.frog

Pity we didn't follow the British example of high rise welfare flats.

Dublin could have looked like Glasgow now.

Darc19

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Is this in Ballsbridge OP?

Nope, I think it's the new tenements behind Pat Kenny

Now wouldn't that be interesting!

No longer eat meat

No longer eat meat wrote: »

I work for a large house building company , I can tell you now that private sales are slowed to a crawl, however there is no shortage of the county council picking up the slack. When I started a few years ago it was 10% of the development was allocated for social housing, then it was 20 now it is literally 66%. I will not name the location or the building company but this is going on. There cannot be an endless amount of funds for social housing but I must say if I were one of those people who have paid full price for their house I would be sick. This is not anecdotal btw I am working on these units and see it every day. I am not saying that there should not be social housing but we are going about the wrong way, when I have talked to the builders the attitude is " we build em we don't care who buys em". It is also impossible to know if you as a purchaser are going to end up surrounded by people who pay virtually nothing for the same house as yours.

Btw these are luxury finished houses , 2 3 and even 4 bed with high standard finish. I just think it isn't right.

Gee. I thought that houses weren’t being built! Good to hear.

No longer eat meat

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Gee. I thought that houses weren’t being built! Good to hear.

Oh listen I’m glad of the work don’t get me wrong but it’s obviously unsustainable.

jimwallace197

I work in the property industry myself and I would well believe what he is saying. The council are buying up a serious amount of property both new and second hand, usually overpaying for it.

Its sickening and a direct insult to the ordinary hardworking taxpayer in this country but I wouldnt expect any less from Varadkar, Murphy & co.

Roll on the next general election, so much for helping the people who get up early in the morning

SEPT 23 1989

Private sales have slowed

The money tap has been turned off

Recession incoming

That’s the most interesting thing about the OP

jimwallace197

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Private sales have slowed

The money tap has been turned off

Recession incoming

That’s the most interesting thing about the OP

Money hasnt been turned off, ordinary working citizens are being priced out of getting starter homes by who other than the government so they can portray themselves as media darlings again. People who often have never put in a hard days work in their lifes are being rewarded. Sends out a great message to our youth doesnt it?

Varadkar, Harris, Murphy to name a few have all shown themselves to be seriously out of their depth and very quick to overspend on taxpayers money. Completely inexperienced, arrogant & full of sh*t are a few words I would use to describe them. I can't believe it but they have even made Fianna Fail start to look good.

The sooner Brexit goes through the better so we can get rid of them

dudara

Moved from AH > CA

dudara

Darc19 wrote: »

Bullsh1t

kikilarue2 wrote: »

Hello brand new poster. I call BS.

Abel Ruiz wrote: »

You have some neck.
Youre never off boards, and throw in some spoofing now and then. Re reg troll.

Reported and blocked!

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

OP go out and get some sun, school is only a few weeks away.

charlietheminxx wrote: »

Wonder how long it will take for this bull**** thread to get nuked?

If you have suspicions about a thread, use Report Post to bring it to the mods attention. There is no need to fill up the thread with useless posts.

dudara

Plumbthedepths

punisher5112 wrote:

Check out the documentary on channel 4 with that guy that done the award winning sheds etc.....

The social housing in Vienna was amazing. That's how it should be done.

L1011

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Pity we didn't follow the British example of high rise welfare flats.

Dublin could have looked like Glasgow now.

We did. We built them after the UK had stopped; and we replaced them when we realised they didn't work.

punisher5112

Swimming pools, theater and halls and just a place that's actually nearly like a hotel is the way Vienna does it ... Have to say it would do wonders but the only issue is the ones that work and pay for everything need to be looked after too.

dudara

IIRC from the show, the public housing was available to people earning up to €50k / year. That’s a huge amount of people who benefit

punisher5112

dudara wrote: »

IIRC from the show, the public housing was available to people earning up to €50k / year. That’s a huge amount of people who benefit

Very true....

It's now and has been for quite some time easier passing it on to the private sector which in turn is eager costs us the tax payer more in the end.

I was renting 7 years and half of that was basically going towards paying for someone else to live for free.

Odyssey 2005

Between the council buying up all the 2nd hand houses and agencies like Cluid (?) taking up new homes I totally agree with the op..

Gatling

dudara wrote: »

IIRC from the show, the public housing was available to people earning up to €50k / year. That’s a huge amount of people who benefit

In Dublin you can earn up to €42,000 and still be eligible for social housing ,
If you get a large claim payout it's completely disregarded so you could earn up to 42,000 and have 50-100,000 in claims sitting in your bank but still be eligible for social housing

Not surprised, but very interested, if this is the reality once more. Déjà vu. Back in 2002, if anybody remembers, the then Environment Minister Martin Cullen scrapped the condition that 20% of all housing in a development had to be social housing and instead permitted developers to buy their way out of that 20% by handing money over to the local authority. Developers delighted. Fast forward 8 years and many of the same developers went cap in hand to the local authority asking for them to purchase that 20%, delighted that there was such a social housing 20%.

Anyway, around 2010 I remember the two buckos who owned that puffed-up "concierge living" complex in Stillorgan, The Grange, were among these erstwhile "no social housing" developers who suddenly turned into "social housing, bail me out" bankrupt developers so the people who paid astronomical money for their apartments in 2006 were then living next to a sizeable number of social housing recipients.

How convenient that our laws are designed to suit the interests of developers; 'let the market decide when times are good, but let the taxpayer bail us out when times are bad'.

James Brown

No longer eat meat wrote: »

I work for a large house building company , I can tell you now that private sales are slowed to a crawl, however there is no shortage of the county council picking up the slack. When I started a few years ago it was 10% of the development was allocated for social housing, then it was 20 now it is literally 66%. I will not name the location or the building company but this is going on. There cannot be an endless amount of funds for social housing but I must say if I were one of those people who have paid full price for their house I would be sick. This is not anecdotal btw I am working on these units and see it every day. I am not saying that there should not be social housing but we are going about the wrong way, when I have talked to the builders the attitude is " we build em we don't care who buys em". It is also impossible to know if you as a purchaser are going to end up surrounded by people who pay virtually nothing for the same house as yours.

Btw these are luxury finished houses , 2 3 and even 4 bed with high standard finish. I just think it isn't right.

They should only buy from market in an emergency. Its criminal in my view to waste tax payer money in buying instead of hiring to build our own as par for the course.

These practises help keep the market high, making it tougher for the tax payer who in turn ends up needed a dig out, so we need more subsidised housing ot in extreme situations hotels. The tax payer is being rode to keep private concerns in business.
We can't blame tax payers who need a home availing of hand outs when they've no choice.

lola85

Matt Barrett wrote: »

They should only buy from market in an emergency. Its criminal in my view to waste tax payer money in buying instead of hiring to build our own as par for the course.

These practises help keep the market high, making it tougher for the tax payer who in turn ends up needed a dig out, so we need more subsidised housing ot in extreme situations hotels. The tax payer is being rode to keep private concerns in business.
We can't blame tax payers who need a home availing of hand outs when they've no choice.

Who can the government hire to build houses when there is a shortage of every trades person especially if it’s not for profit?

shesty

Well I can tell you now that the Council has at least 5 houses in our estate at present, and at least 3 of these have been bought in the last few years. All four bed semi-detached houses, with selling prices of 300k +...sometimes 350k+, all privately owned (it's an estate about 20+ years old). And yeah, I am p87sed off. We all go out every morning to work and pay for our houses, but for some reason the Council see fit to hand over 250/300k of taxpayer money (problem no. 1), "refurbish" the house to their guidelines (problem no. 2 - more money, and at least 1 of these houses has been perfect inside), and hand it to people to live in for free.

It is so unpolitically correct to say it, but it really gets under my skin.As best I can figure it, when estates are Social housing (or whatever) i think I can kind of accept they are all built a certain way, you get what you get and that's it. But when a Council is stepping into a private market, paying taxpayer money to give a house to people for free when I am working my ass off for the exact same house - no, it really annoys me.

Kivaro

shesty wrote: »

Well I can tell you now that the Council has at least 5 houses in our estate at present.......

But when a Council is stepping into a private market, paying taxpayer money to give a house to people for free when I am working my ass off for the exact same house - no, it really annoys me.

I posted the same thing about 6 months ago, but the usual deniers on here were saying it ain't so ..................... you know, because we are not telling the truth.
I had family members priced out of our local town by the council. Each time they tried to buy, the council stepped in and paid more. So the family members who work in this town now have to commute in for from the country in order to work and to bring the children to school. The people who got the houses from the council right smack in town were Roma Gypsies, adult offspring of a couple who spent their lives on the dole, and African refugees.

It is such a ludicrous concept to grasp, but I think we are becoming immune to these types of illogical government policies. There are mutterings now that people are getting so fed up of being priced out of affordable homes near their workplace that they planning to emigrate. The irony of it. They have to leave their country of birth to make room for people who do not want to work and economic migrants who are declaring themselves homeless as soon as they get here.