Cryo\Coolsculpt

Seanachai

Has anybody used this tech for losing stubborn fat?

Ceepo

Seanachai wrote: »

Has anybody used this tech for losing stubborn fat?

How does it work?

bilbot79

If you want to lose fat you should run even if you don't like it.

Alf Veedersane

bilbot79 wrote: »

If you want to lose fat you should run even if you don't like it.

Sort out the diet first.

Then find a form of exercise you like because you will continue doing it.

Running is not a silver bullet and not appropriate for everyone either.

bilbot79

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Sort out the diet first.

Then find a form of exercise you like because you will continue doing it.

Running is not a silver bullet and not appropriate for everyone either.

Granted it may not be appropriate for everyone and diet comes first but when it comes to exercise for losing weight it's definitely a silver bullet.

An hour of bootcamp and you feel like you were hit by a truck but didn't burn anywhere near the amount of calories running

Alf Veedersane

bilbot79 wrote: »

Granted it may not be appropriate for everyone and diet comes first but when it comes to exercise for losing weight it's definitely a silver bullet.

An hour of bootcamp and you feel like you were hit by a truck but didn't burn anywhere near the amount of calories running

Being better than a bootcamp doesn't say a whole lot though.

Nothing against running. I used run a lot. Ran a few marathons. But if I needed to lose weight now, it wouldn't be through running. I just don't enjoy it and wouldn't run nearly enough to keep doing it.

There are other ways to burn calories.

Alf Veedersane

Ceepo wrote: »

How does it work?

Its cryolipolysis...application of low temperatures to kill fat cells.

Ceepo

bilbot79 wrote: »

If you want to lose fat you should run even if you don't like it.

Can you out run a bad diet ?

Ceepo

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Its cryolipolysis...application of low temperatures to kill fat cells.

The sceptic in me would say theres not much to it. But would have to do a lot more research on it.

I have looked into cold thermgensis and that has some merit to it, but works on global scale and is not localized.

OP, if your struggling with fat lose, look into Leptin resistance

Alf Veedersane

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Its cryolipolysis...application of low temperatures to kill fat cells.

Is that actually a thing?
I heard an ad for that and was super skeptical

Alf Veedersane

bluewolf wrote: »

Is that actually a thing?
I heard an ad for that and was super skeptical

Yep. There are only a handful of studies on it but they are some positive results but it's still very much in its infancy and I do wonder about the degree of benefit and I also wonder about the long term efficacy especially where people really see it as an easier route to fat loss than sorting out their diet etc.

Mellor

bilbot79 wrote: »

Granted it may not be appropriate for everyone and diet comes first but when it comes to exercise for losing weight it's definitely a silver bullet.

An hour of bootcamp and you feel like you were hit by a truck but didn't burn anywhere near the amount of calories running

Running used to be cardio of choice. Simply because I knew what my limits were and I was able to push hard and burn 500 cals in 30mins.

But theres no reason you can't get the same burn rate out of an assault bike, rower, ski-erg, etc

Ceepo

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Yep. There are only a handful of studies on it but they are some positive results but it's still very much in its infancy and I do wonder about the degree of benefit and I also wonder about the long term efficacy especially where people really see it as an easier route to fat loss than sorting out their diet etc.

Do you think putting an ice pack on the area would have the same effect .
It certainly would be a cheaper option..

I have to say I don't see it work to any great degree for a specific area.What is for certainly is you cant "freeze" fat away.

Cold thermogensis work differently, as you are immersed in cold water.. this rasise the metabolic rate, which can burn faster. There are a lot more claims reported as well such as adrenal regulation, thyroid function, immune boost.
I haven't tried it myself but I know a few who do it and find it good.. whether that's a placebo effect I dont know.

https://yurielkaim.com/cold-thermogenesis/

Alf Veedersane

Ceepo wrote: »

Do you think putting an ice pack on the area would have the same effect .
It certainly would be a cheaper option..

I have to say I don't see it work to any great degree for a specific area.What is for certainly is you cant "freeze" fat away.

You can. But the degree to which you can is the question. It strikes me as an expensive way to get quite small improvements.

I think how it works is the area gets sucked up into a cup like would be with cupping. That's the area that gets treated. Rinse and repeat.

Ceepo

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

You can. But the degree to which you can is the question. It strikes me as an expensive way to get quite small improvements.

I think how it works is the area gets sucked up into a cup like would be with cupping. That's the area that gets treated. Rinse and repeat.

You can.??? Tell on..

Even if you suck the area into a cup, and apply some type of cold, such as ice. To what degree do you think you'll change the temperature of the fat or tissue??..

Dont have time to find it now but I'll try look later on if I've time.
But a study from the British Physiotherapists on cryotherapy conclude that after 20 mins of crushed ice on a area the drop of temperature was only 2c at depth of 2cm.
Now maybe that's enough to "freeze" it

Alf Veedersane

Ceepo wrote: »

You can.??? Tell on..

Even if you suck the area into a cup, and apply some type of cold, such as ice. To what degree do you think you'll change the temperature of the fat or tissue??..

Dont have time to find it now but I'll try look later on if I've time.
But a study from the British Physiotherapists on cryotherapy conclude that after 20 mins of crushed ice on a area the drop of temperature was only 2c at depth of 2cm.
Now maybe that's enough to "freeze" it

I'm based on published studies of it and how it's done which is very different to applying crushed ice to an area; you're applying the cold to either side rather than just to one for a start.

I'm not saying it's worth it as a treatment but there in theory the mechanism works to some degree

Ceepo

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I'm based on published studies of it and how it's done which is very different to applying crushed ice to an area; you're applying the cold to either side rather than just to one for a start.

I'm not saying it's worth it as a treatment but there in theory the mechanism works to some degree

Fair enough.. I'm always happy to be wrong as it means I learn something..
But as they say on that TV show...... I'm out

Transform

bilbot79 wrote: »

Granted it may not be appropriate for everyone and diet comes first but when it comes to exercise for losing weight it's definitely a silver bullet.

An hour of bootcamp and you feel like you were hit by a truck but didn't burn anywhere near the amount of calories running

You can’t outtrain a poor diet.

Lots out there trying to cure their lack of basics on nutrition through exercise

Transform

Mellor wrote: »

Running used to be cardio of choice. Simply because I knew what my limits were and I was able to push hard and burn 500 cals in 30mins.

But theres no reason you can't get the same burn rate out of an assault bike, rower, ski-erg, etc

Exactly right and remember it’s about consistency over intensity

Seanachai

Ceepo wrote: »

The sceptic in me would say theres not much to it. But would have to do a lot more research on it.

I have looked into cold thermgensis and that has some merit to it, but works on global scale and is not localized.

OP, if your struggling with fat lose, look into Leptin resistance

I have a slow thyroid, there isn't anything more I can drop out of my diet at this stage, tried calorie restriction, keto has helped a bit. I walk about 14k every day and do some weights. I'm not too overweight I just have stubborn deposits on my chest and middle.

Seanachai

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Yep. There are only a handful of studies on it but they are some positive results but it's still very much in its infancy and I do wonder about the degree of benefit and I also wonder about the long term efficacy especially where people really see it as an easier route to fat loss than sorting out their diet etc.

I've pared down my carbs to the bare limit, using resistant starches and days without carbs altogether. If I ate the same amount of carbs as the my mates I'd be 18st at this stage, the slow thyroid just means I'm prone to weight gain.

I'm prob the least likely person you'd see in these kind of clinics, but I'm fed up with being out of shape despite eating well and exercising.

Ceepo

Seanachai wrote: »

I have a slow thyroid, there isn't anything more I can drop out of my diet at this stage, tried calorie restriction, keto has helped a bit. I walk about 14k every day and do some weights. I'm not too overweight I just have stubborn deposits on my chest and middle.

What is you posture like, this can have an impact on digestion.
What is you life/ work environment like. ?
Have you looked into Leptin resistance?.
While almost everyone looks at diet in terms of macro and micro nutrients, food is proton and electron at a cellular level.
If you have a mismatch, just changing your diet type may help but only to a small degree..

Seanachai

Ceepo wrote: »

What is you posture like, this can have an impact on digestion.
What is you life/ work environment like. ?
Have you looked into Leptin resistance?.
While almost everyone looks at diet in terms of macro and micro nutrients, food is proton and electron at a cellular level.
If you have a mismatch, just changing your diet type may help but only to a small degree..

I work in an office at the moment, walk 7k to and from work and do some weights in the evenings. I'll have a look at leptin resistance

Ceepo

Seanachai wrote: »

I work in an office at the moment, walk 7k to and from work and do some weights in the evenings. I'll have a look at leptin resistance

You work in a blue light and high nnemf environment.
Is your daily walk city based if so, then your walk is in a high nnemf environment.
Nnemf and blue light has a negative impact on thyroid function.

I'd recommend also looking into red light therapy.

https://joovv.com/blogs/joovv-blog/enhance-thyroid-gland-health-red-and-near-infrared-light-therapy