I think my daughter wants to join Sinn Fein

Working class heroes

Thoughts please.
My 17yr old daughter seems to have some pro republican views, no real problem with that as such but I don’t fancy the idea of her being a card carrying Sinn Féin head. Has she other options?
She is coming at it from a civil rights point of view with Bernadette Devlin her hero. She is a very intelligent girl and not easily influenced so I am inclined to think that this could very well be a permanent thing. Is Brexit polarizing our youth.

diusmr8a504cvk

Regardless of your views on Sinn Fein, she could be out doing worse things.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Working class heroes wrote: »

Thoughts please.
My 17yr old daughter seems to have some pro republican views, no real problem with that as such but I don’t fancy the idea of her being a card carrying Sinn F head. Has she other options?
She is coming at it from a civil rights point of view with Bernadette Devlin her hero. She is a very intelligent girl and not easily influenced so I am inclined to think that this could very well be a permanent thing. Is Brexit polarizing our youth.

Good girl, mine's the same.

Just read Bobby Sands 'One day in my Life', Bobby Sands and 'Before the Dawn', Gerry Adams.

I'm just about to start my [at a guess] fourth time reading 'The Shankill Butchers' (Martin Dillon).

Atoms for Peace

She's a fan of Bernadette Devlin and wants to join SF??? Maybe get her a history book.

PsychoPete

Once she's not putting on a balaclava and a camouflage jacket I wouldn't worry about it

Ubbquittious

Just be glad i'ts not Fianna Gael she's joining

Zaph

Brayson Victorious Twerp wrote: »

Regardless of your views on Sinn Fein, she could be out doing worse things.

Well only if she was thinking of joining Renua.

Working class heroes

Working class heroes wrote: »

Has she other options?

Firing squad. Failing that, exchange of ideas in college.

Working class heroes

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

She's a fan of Bernadette Devlin and wants to join SF??? Maybe get her a history book.

Did I say that?
I know this is AH and people take the piss but my query was genuine.
I’ll rephrase, she is a fan of BD and also has republican views, so, as a Wicklow girl what options does she have?

corner of hells

Aliyah Wide Flowerbed wrote: »

Working class heroes wrote: »

Thoughts please.
My 17yr old daughter seems to have some pro republican views, no real problem with that as such but I don’t fancy the idea of her being a card carrying Sinn F head. Has she other options?
She is coming at it from a civil rights point of view with Bernadette Devlin her hero. She is a very intelligent girl and not easily influenced so I am inclined to think that this could very well be a permanent thing. Is Brexit polarizing our youth.

Good girl, mine's the same.

Just read Bobby Sands 'One day in my Life', Bobby Sands and 'Before the Dawn', Gerry Adams.

I'm just about to start my [at a guess] fourth time reading 'The Shankill Butchers' (Martin Dillon).

The Shankill Butchers is one particularly disturbing book , gave me nightmares.

Working class heroes

Ubbquittious wrote: »

Just be glad i'ts not Fianna Gael she's joining

Ha I’m a former card carrying member!!
A few heads here will be shocked by that.

Leg End Reject

Can you ask her to get to the bottom of their policies? Specifically how they intend to fund their free for all economic ideology?

corner of hells

Working class heroes wrote: »

Thoughts please.
My 17yr old daughter seems to have some pro republican views, no real problem with that as such but I don’t fancy the idea of her being a card carrying Sinn Féin head. Has she other options?
She is coming at it from a civil rights point of view with Bernadette Devlin her hero. She is a very intelligent girl and not easily influenced so I am inclined to think that this could very well be a permanent thing. Is Brexit polarizing our youth.

Good for her having a bit of interest in politics especially when you think of some of the drivel teens are interested in today.

sabat

If she's reasonably articulate and presentable Fianna Fáil could probably find a seat for her in 7 or 8 years time.

allthedoyles

Our daughter joined Sinn Féin .Had researched all political parties when studying Social Care in college .
Support her in any way you can . She wants to make a difference and will do so .

Mongfinder General

Working class heroes wrote: »

Thoughts please.
My 17yr old daughter seems to have some pro republican views, no real problem with that as such but I don’t fancy the idea of her being a card carrying Sinn Féin head. Has she other options?
She is coming at it from a civil rights point of view with Bernadette Devlin her hero. She is a very intelligent girl and not easily influenced so I am inclined to think that this could very well be a permanent thing. Is Brexit polarizing our youth.

I was the same at 17 but Sinn Fein of today is not a nationalist party anymore. Their cutting edge, or militant wing has long gone. Their approach to republicanism is open borders and socialism. Very much a liberal, progressive left mob running it. So much so they are turning into labour. They got absolutely smashed in the locals and it would have been much worse if it had been a general election (their core supporters aren't fickle and vote so the percentage vote they received is representative and would be spread thinner in a higher turnout). A lot of the intellect of the party and experience has gone to Aontu, not just Peadar Toibin and his sister but every day supporters and members. Barring a major upheaval like another financial crisis, they're finished. McDonald is not as smart as Adams and not half as popular. Don't worry about your kid, she'll figure it out.

Working class heroes

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Can you ask her to get to the bottom of their policies? Specifically how they intend to fund their free for all economic ideology?

Yes grand, agreed. But read the OP please.

Mods, can I start a thread in the politics forum?
Thanks.

washman3

Well at least it's better than joining the Green Party, who are destined to become the biggest bunch of scam-artists this country has ever known.
And in a country that has FF,FG and Labour, that's really saying something.

washman3

sabat wrote: »

If she's reasonably articulate and presentable Fianna Fáil could probably find a seat for her in 7 or 8 years time.

If they could 'find a seat' for the likes of Liam Lawlor (to mention just one) they could 'find a seat' for anyone.!!

AllForIt

God I was sure the thread title was going to end with ISIS, for some reason. What a total shock I got when I read it all.

Jamie2k9

Working class heroes wrote: »

Thoughts please.
My 17yr old daughter seems to have some pro republican views, no real problem with that as such but I don’t fancy the idea of her being a card carrying Sinn Féin head. Has she other options?
She is coming at it from a civil rights point of view with Bernadette Devlin her hero. She is a very intelligent girl and not easily influenced so I am inclined to think that this could very well be a permanent thing. Is Brexit polarizing our youth.

Of course but I think you might be even more unhappy about it.
https://www.irexitfreedom.ie/

Before anybody assumes I am not a member, actually an ex blue shirt, Labour has turned them into FG Light

corner of hells

washman3 wrote: »

sabat wrote: »

If she's reasonably articulate and presentable Fianna Fáil could probably find a seat for her in 7 or 8 years time.

If they could 'find a seat' for the likes of Liam Lawlor (to mention just one) they could 'find a seat' for anyone.!!

They also felt Mary Lou had no future with them too.

Sheeps

45% of people between 18 and 24 are Sinn Féin voters. 25-35 it's 33%. They're a left wing party, popular with young people and you shouldn't be concerned with your daughter having a more liberal outlook, and ultimately a different political opinion to you. Be proud that she's engaged in politics.

Soc Dems are a also a great left wing party, but ultimately it's her choice which party she joins.

FrancieBrady

Parents still tell their children how and what to think? How very 18th century. Maybe you could cut her out of her inheritance or banish her to live with her aunts in the country pile?

freshpopcorn

Mod NoteMoved from AH to Parenting. Please post following local guidelines.

Hannibal

Mongfinder General wrote: »

I was the same at 17 but Sinn Fein of today is not a nationalist party anymore. Their cutting edge, or militant wing has long gone. Their approach to republicanism is open borders and socialism. Very much a liberal, progressive left mob running it. So much so they are turning into labour. They got absolutely smashed in the locals and it would have been much worse if it had been a general election (their core supporters aren't fickle and vote so the percentage vote they received is representative and would be spread thinner in a higher turnout). A lot of the intellect of the party and experience has gone to Aontu, not just Peadar Toibin and his sister but every day supporters and members. Barring a major upheaval like another financial crisis, they're finished. McDonald is not as smart as Adams and not half as popular. Don't worry about your kid, she'll figure it out.

Absolute nonsense, turnout is way down in the working class areas where SF have strongest support.

Turnout in more affluent areas is upwards of 75%, FF and FG wouldn't benefit much from a higher turnout as their target base vote. The areas where SF poll high in % don't vote due to apathy with the system etc. In a much higher turnout scenario in Dublin for example then the left and particularly SF would stand to benefit much more than the right.

Hardly anybody outside Toibins area in Meath went to Aontu, Aontu took in more FF supporters and members than it did SF.

I agree about McDonald, Doherty is a much more articulate and powerful leader and it is being recognised more and more within the party.

Working class heroes

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Of course but I think you might be even more unhappy about it.
https://www.irexitfreedom.ie/

Before anybody assumes I am not a member, actually an ex blue shirt, Labour has turned them into FG Light

Nah, I said she was intelligent.
Jamie, all due respect but as i indicated in a pm a while ago I have no time for your political, borderline racist views.

Working class heroes

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Mod NoteMoved from AH to Parenting. Please post following local guidelines.

Would you mind if I started a thread I the Politics forum in the morning.
Don’t think this is appropriate for the parental forum.
Thanks
Barry.

Firblog

I remember my dad telling me years ago about a guy - very religious, teetotaler, longtime member of FG - who's only daughter joined a very strict sect of nuns; someone said to him that he must be very happy, he said he'd have been happier if she'd joined the RA...

fatherted1969

Working class heroes wrote: »

Thoughts please.
My 17yr old daughter seems to have some pro republican views, no real problem with that as such but I don’t fancy the idea of her being a card carrying Sinn Féin head. Has she other options?
She is coming at it from a civil rights point of view with Bernadette Devlin her hero. She is a very intelligent girl and not easily influenced so I am inclined to think that this could very well be a permanent thing. Is Brexit polarizing our youth.

Tinder maybe ?

ScottCapper

Fianna fail is the best option.

listermint

Mongfinder General wrote: »

I was the same at 17 but Sinn Fein of today is not a nationalist party anymore. Their cutting edge, or militant wing has long gone. Their approach to republicanism is open borders and socialism. Very much a liberal, progressive left mob running it. So much so they are turning into labour. They got absolutely smashed in the locals and it would have been much worse if it had been a general election (their core supporters aren't fickle and vote so the percentage vote they received is representative and would be spread thinner in a higher turnout). A lot of the intellect of the party and experience has gone to Aontu, not just Peadar Toibin and his sister but every day supporters and members. Barring a major upheaval like another financial crisis, they're finished. McDonald is not as smart as Adams and not half as popular. Don't worry about your kid, she'll figure it out.

This has to be a wind up especially the bit on Tobin and his sibling.


Have you seen her carrying plaquards outside the church during the referendum and generally being an absolute nuisance confronting people on the issue.


Is that you peadar?


Get real

corks finest

Working class heroes wrote:

Thoughts please. My 17yr old daughter seems to have some pro republican views, no real problem with that as such but I don’t fancy the idea of her being a card carrying Sinn Féin head. Has she other options? She is coming at it from a civil rights point of view with Bernadette Devlin her hero. She is a very intelligent girl and not easily influenced so I am inclined to think that this could very well be a permanent thing. Is Brexit polarizing our youth.

She's old enough ( hopefully wise enough ) I did the same 40 + year's ago

SF now is light year's away from my time , progressive and in tune ( mostly) with young people's needs/ wants/aspirations.
Personally my kids in Derry didn't and I'm glad ,but your kid
Once in SF will be disciplined
and unlike a lot of other young ppl,in that she will be focused and busy and ALWAYS aware of the party/ movements staus- reputation,good luck( might be a phase)

corks finest

Working class heroes wrote:

Thoughts please. My 17yr old daughter seems to have some pro republican views, no real problem with that as such but I don’t fancy the idea of her being a card carrying Sinn Féin head. Has she other options? She is coming at it from a civil rights point of view with Bernadette Devlin her hero. She is a very intelligent girl and not easily influenced so I am inclined to think that this could very well be a permanent thing. Is Brexit polarizing our youth.

She's old enough ( hopefully wise enough ) I did the same 40 + year's ago

SF now is light year's away from my time , progressive and in tune ( mostly) with young people's needs/ wants/aspirations.
Personally my kids in Derry didn't and I'm glad ,but your kid
Once in SF will be disciplined
and unlike a lot of other young ppl,in that she will be focused and busy and ALWAYS aware of the party/ movements staus- reputation,good luck( might be a phase)

corks finest

Leg End Reject wrote:

Can you ask her to get to the bottom of their policies? Specifically how they intend to fund their free for all economic ideology?

Think that's a tad unfair on a 17 year old who's only just dipping her toes in to test the waters- I'm A political for years ( was v anti SF ref good Friday agreement) no love for the shinners but corruption wise clean compared to the fine gaelers/FF / labour ( sigh) etc

_Brian

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Can you ask her to get to the bottom of their policies? Specifically how they intend to fund their free for all economic ideology?

This exactly!

Anyone above 4th class maths will quickly realise that they plan to give away more free money than they will be able to raise.

The solution of course will be tax the jocks off everyone working causing employment to drop and more draw the dole and so a cascade of recession would follow.

Thrashssacre

There’s a lot of accusations of bullying within Sinn Fein ranks, may be something worth considering a lot of people seem to have had a fairly bad time there.

adocholiday

Don't worry too much about it. Once she starts earning a wage and paying tax she'll see that they're a party with impossible policies that reward those who don't want to work and she'll run a mile. Left wing parties by and large tend to appeal to young people, most of them lean more centre or even right as they get older.

Eggs For Dinner

Leave her be OP. We all do stupid things when we're young.

Annasopra

Working class heroes wrote: »

Did I say that?
I know this is AH and people take the piss but my query was genuine.
I’ll rephrase, she is a fan of BD and also has republican views, so, as a Wicklow girl what options does she have?

Maybe speak to former Cllrs Murray, Snell, O'Brien, McDonald and O'Neill about all the alleged bullying in Wicklow SF. There must be a big problem there in my view with 5 former councillors!

I don't see why she has to join a political party?
Maybe go to third level, study history politics etc. Study conflicts around the world.
She has republican leanings, lots of teenagers do, doesn't mean they will join sinn fein.

biko

If that is all you have to worry about with a 17 old then you have a great daughter.

tedpan

I'd be worried about her getting involved in any sort of politics...

Wanderer78

adocholiday wrote:

Don't worry too much about it. Once she starts earning a wage and paying tax she'll see that they're a party with impossible policies that reward those who don't want to work and she'll run a mile. Left wing parties by and large tend to appeal to young people, most of them lean more centre or even right as they get older.

I'm becoming more radical left the older I'm getting.

Maybe encourage her to check out other parties, maybe go to party meetings with her, so she gets a wider view of politics, great to see the young getting involved in politics

BarryD2

I dunno - suggest to her to that she listens back to the last piece on RTEs Sunday Miscellany programme - last Sunday. It was by Olive Travers iirc and an account of a pair of girls of about her own age, leaving home for the first time, and the day they spent in Belfast. Anyone who listens to that simple account who is not moved would have to be made of stone.

TheBoyConor

She is a teenager with a notion.

Tell her you think it is a great idea and that you have looked it up too and now you want to join up Sinn Fein with her. She won't be long changing her mind.

Marcusm

Working class heroes wrote: »

Thoughts please.
My 17yr old daughter seems to have some pro republican views, no real problem with that as such but I don’t fancy the idea of her being a card carrying Sinn Féin head. Has she other options?
She is coming at it from a civil rights point of view with Bernadette Devlin her hero. She is a very intelligent girl and not easily influenced so I am inclined to think that this could very well be a permanent thing. Is Brexit polarizing our youth.

I don’t think Bernadette Devlin was ever a member if Sinn Fein.

FrancieBrady

Marcusm wrote: »

I don’t think Bernadette Devlin was ever a member if Sinn Fein.

She wasn't. More closely associated with Eirigi these days.

Mongfinder General

Hannibal wrote: »

Absolute nonsense, turnout is way down in the working class areas where SF have strongest support.

Turnout in more affluent areas is upwards of 75%, FF and FG wouldn't benefit much from a higher turnout as their target base vote. The areas where SF poll high in % don't vote due to apathy with the system etc. In a much higher turnout scenario in Dublin for example then the left and particularly SF would stand to benefit much more than the right.

Hardly anybody outside Toibins area in Meath went to Aontu, Aontu took in more FF supporters and members than it did SF.

I agree about McDonald, Doherty is a much more articulate and powerful leader and it is being recognised more and more within the party.

You know why Mary Lou isn't banging on about calling an election to dispose of the government with the weakest mandate since 1922? Because she knows what will happen. They will get smashed and lose tds big time. Other than removing a now imaginary line drawn on a map, they have no purpose. Well there istrying to implement a socialist state and open our borders to accommodate the overflow from the gates of hell pouring into the Mediterranean. A real vote winner.

The aontu candidate got about 6% of the vote in my cobstituency. Not bad for a first attempt and shows that they have support elsewhere. Also did well up in Derry.

Mongfinder General

listermint wrote: »

This has to be a wind up especially the bit on Tobin and his sibling.


Have you seen her carrying plaquards outside the church during the referendum and generally being an absolute nuisance confronting people on the issue.


Is that you peadar?


Get real

They got the biggest kick in the bollox in recent history and people like yourself just can't take it. Wind up? Varadkar and Martin took the piss out of them in the locals and that's saying something.

As for a few repeal pigs and piglets being reminded of what they are, more power to the lady in question.

uck51js9zml2yt

Just knee cap her... problem sorted


But seriously, have you asked her why she wants to join?
Does she know about all the defectors?