I think my daughter wants to join Sinn Fein

Working class heroes

Thoughts please.
My 17yr old daughter seems to have some pro republican views, no real problem with that as such but I don’t fancy the idea of her being a card carrying Sinn Féin head. Has she other options?
She is coming at it from a civil rights point of view with Bernadette Devlin her hero. She is a very intelligent girl and not easily influenced so I am inclined to think that this could very well be a permanent thing. Is Brexit polarizing our youth.

diusmr8a504cvk

Regardless of your views on Sinn Fein, she could be out doing worse things.

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Working class heroes wrote: »

Thoughts please.
My 17yr old daughter seems to have some pro republican views, no real problem with that as such but I don’t fancy the idea of her being a card carrying Sinn F head. Has she other options?
She is coming at it from a civil rights point of view with Bernadette Devlin her hero. She is a very intelligent girl and not easily influenced so I am inclined to think that this could very well be a permanent thing. Is Brexit polarizing our youth.

Good girl, mine's the same.

Just read Bobby Sands 'One day in my Life', Bobby Sands and 'Before the Dawn', Gerry Adams.

I'm just about to start my [at a guess] fourth time reading 'The Shankill Butchers' (Martin Dillon).

Atoms for Peace

She's a fan of Bernadette Devlin and wants to join SF??? Maybe get her a history book.

PsychoPete

Once she's not putting on a balaclava and a camouflage jacket I wouldn't worry about it

Ubbquittious

Just be glad i'ts not Fianna Gael she's joining

Zaph

Brayson Victorious Twerp wrote: »

Regardless of your views on Sinn Fein, she could be out doing worse things.

Well only if she was thinking of joining Renua.

Working class heroes

Working class heroes wrote: »

Has she other options?

Firing squad. Failing that, exchange of ideas in college.

Working class heroes

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

She's a fan of Bernadette Devlin and wants to join SF??? Maybe get her a history book.

Did I say that?
I know this is AH and people take the piss but my query was genuine.
I’ll rephrase, she is a fan of BD and also has republican views, so, as a Wicklow girl what options does she have?

corner of hells

Aliyah Wide Flowerbed wrote: »

Working class heroes wrote: »

Thoughts please.
My 17yr old daughter seems to have some pro republican views, no real problem with that as such but I don’t fancy the idea of her being a card carrying Sinn F head. Has she other options?
She is coming at it from a civil rights point of view with Bernadette Devlin her hero. She is a very intelligent girl and not easily influenced so I am inclined to think that this could very well be a permanent thing. Is Brexit polarizing our youth.

Good girl, mine's the same.

Just read Bobby Sands 'One day in my Life', Bobby Sands and 'Before the Dawn', Gerry Adams.

I'm just about to start my [at a guess] fourth time reading 'The Shankill Butchers' (Martin Dillon).

The Shankill Butchers is one particularly disturbing book , gave me nightmares.

Working class heroes

Ubbquittious wrote: »

Just be glad i'ts not Fianna Gael she's joining

Ha I’m a former card carrying member!!
A few heads here will be shocked by that.

Leg End Reject

Can you ask her to get to the bottom of their policies? Specifically how they intend to fund their free for all economic ideology?

corner of hells

Working class heroes wrote: »

Thoughts please.
My 17yr old daughter seems to have some pro republican views, no real problem with that as such but I don’t fancy the idea of her being a card carrying Sinn Féin head. Has she other options?
She is coming at it from a civil rights point of view with Bernadette Devlin her hero. She is a very intelligent girl and not easily influenced so I am inclined to think that this could very well be a permanent thing. Is Brexit polarizing our youth.

Good for her having a bit of interest in politics especially when you think of some of the drivel teens are interested in today.

sabat

If she's reasonably articulate and presentable Fianna Fáil could probably find a seat for her in 7 or 8 years time.

allthedoyles

Our daughter joined Sinn Féin .Had researched all political parties when studying Social Care in college .
Support her in any way you can . She wants to make a difference and will do so .

Mongfinder General

Working class heroes wrote: »

Thoughts please.
My 17yr old daughter seems to have some pro republican views, no real problem with that as such but I don’t fancy the idea of her being a card carrying Sinn Féin head. Has she other options?
She is coming at it from a civil rights point of view with Bernadette Devlin her hero. She is a very intelligent girl and not easily influenced so I am inclined to think that this could very well be a permanent thing. Is Brexit polarizing our youth.

I was the same at 17 but Sinn Fein of today is not a nationalist party anymore. Their cutting edge, or militant wing has long gone. Their approach to republicanism is open borders and socialism. Very much a liberal, progressive left mob running it. So much so they are turning into labour. They got absolutely smashed in the locals and it would have been much worse if it had been a general election (their core supporters aren't fickle and vote so the percentage vote they received is representative and would be spread thinner in a higher turnout). A lot of the intellect of the party and experience has gone to Aontu, not just Peadar Toibin and his sister but every day supporters and members. Barring a major upheaval like another financial crisis, they're finished. McDonald is not as smart as Adams and not half as popular. Don't worry about your kid, she'll figure it out.

Working class heroes

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Can you ask her to get to the bottom of their policies? Specifically how they intend to fund their free for all economic ideology?

Yes grand, agreed. But read the OP please.

Mods, can I start a thread in the politics forum?
Thanks.

washman3

Well at least it's better than joining the Green Party, who are destined to become the biggest bunch of scam-artists this country has ever known.
And in a country that has FF,FG and Labour, that's really saying something.

washman3

sabat wrote: »

If she's reasonably articulate and presentable Fianna Fáil could probably find a seat for her in 7 or 8 years time.

If they could 'find a seat' for the likes of Liam Lawlor (to mention just one) they could 'find a seat' for anyone.!!

AllForIt

God I was sure the thread title was going to end with ISIS, for some reason. What a total shock I got when I read it all.

Jamie2k9

Working class heroes wrote: »

Thoughts please.
My 17yr old daughter seems to have some pro republican views, no real problem with that as such but I don’t fancy the idea of her being a card carrying Sinn Féin head. Has she other options?
She is coming at it from a civil rights point of view with Bernadette Devlin her hero. She is a very intelligent girl and not easily influenced so I am inclined to think that this could very well be a permanent thing. Is Brexit polarizing our youth.

Of course but I think you might be even more unhappy about it.
https://www.irexitfreedom.ie/

Before anybody assumes I am not a member, actually an ex blue shirt, Labour has turned them into FG Light

corner of hells

washman3 wrote: »

sabat wrote: »

If she's reasonably articulate and presentable Fianna Fáil could probably find a seat for her in 7 or 8 years time.

If they could 'find a seat' for the likes of Liam Lawlor (to mention just one) they could 'find a seat' for anyone.!!

They also felt Mary Lou had no future with them too.

Sheeps

45% of people between 18 and 24 are Sinn Féin voters. 25-35 it's 33%. They're a left wing party, popular with young people and you shouldn't be concerned with your daughter having a more liberal outlook, and ultimately a different political opinion to you. Be proud that she's engaged in politics.

Soc Dems are a also a great left wing party, but ultimately it's her choice which party she joins.

FrancieBrady

Parents still tell their children how and what to think? How very 18th century. Maybe you could cut her out of her inheritance or banish her to live with her aunts in the country pile?

freshpopcorn

Mod NoteMoved from AH to Parenting. Please post following local guidelines.

Hannibal

Mongfinder General wrote: »

I was the same at 17 but Sinn Fein of today is not a nationalist party anymore. Their cutting edge, or militant wing has long gone. Their approach to republicanism is open borders and socialism. Very much a liberal, progressive left mob running it. So much so they are turning into labour. They got absolutely smashed in the locals and it would have been much worse if it had been a general election (their core supporters aren't fickle and vote so the percentage vote they received is representative and would be spread thinner in a higher turnout). A lot of the intellect of the party and experience has gone to Aontu, not just Peadar Toibin and his sister but every day supporters and members. Barring a major upheaval like another financial crisis, they're finished. McDonald is not as smart as Adams and not half as popular. Don't worry about your kid, she'll figure it out.

Absolute nonsense, turnout is way down in the working class areas where SF have strongest support.

Turnout in more affluent areas is upwards of 75%, FF and FG wouldn't benefit much from a higher turnout as their target base vote. The areas where SF poll high in % don't vote due to apathy with the system etc. In a much higher turnout scenario in Dublin for example then the left and particularly SF would stand to benefit much more than the right.

Hardly anybody outside Toibins area in Meath went to Aontu, Aontu took in more FF supporters and members than it did SF.

I agree about McDonald, Doherty is a much more articulate and powerful leader and it is being recognised more and more within the party.

Working class heroes

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Of course but I think you might be even more unhappy about it.
https://www.irexitfreedom.ie/

Before anybody assumes I am not a member, actually an ex blue shirt, Labour has turned them into FG Light

Nah, I said she was intelligent.
Jamie, all due respect but as i indicated in a pm a while ago I have no time for your political, borderline racist views.

Working class heroes

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Mod NoteMoved from AH to Parenting. Please post following local guidelines.

Would you mind if I started a thread I the Politics forum in the morning.
Don’t think this is appropriate for the parental forum.
Thanks
Barry.

Firblog

I remember my dad telling me years ago about a guy - very religious, teetotaler, longtime member of FG - who's only daughter joined a very strict sect of nuns; someone said to him that he must be very happy, he said he'd have been happier if she'd joined the RA...

fatherted1969

Working class heroes wrote: »

Thoughts please.
My 17yr old daughter seems to have some pro republican views, no real problem with that as such but I don’t fancy the idea of her being a card carrying Sinn Féin head. Has she other options?
She is coming at it from a civil rights point of view with Bernadette Devlin her hero. She is a very intelligent girl and not easily influenced so I am inclined to think that this could very well be a permanent thing. Is Brexit polarizing our youth.

Tinder maybe ?

ScottCapper

Fianna fail is the best option.